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It's a proper prequel 32 46.38%
It has it's own continuity 27 39.13%
It's a stand alone film 3 4.35%
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:20 PM   #1
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I would prefer to think of it as a new continuity honestly but whatever Vaughn and Singer want to do, I'll be happy with.

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Old 06-04-2011, 09:27 PM   #2
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I was just thinking to make this kind of thread and poll........lol.

I want this to establish a new continuity.

Yes, there can be little nods here and there, and some elements taken from the previous films ( like Mystique's blue scale look ).

But I want the First Class sequels to chart a new path and not be boxed in or confined by the prior films. Heck, you could say First Class has already broken some continuity issues.

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Old 06-04-2011, 09:31 PM   #3
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I say it's prequel. Even though there were some discrepancies, stuff like the "F*** yourself" and older version of a character cameos, the recreation of the opening of X-Men 1m and the word of god made it a prequel in my mind. Although I say it threw away the things set by X3 and Wolverine


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Old 06-04-2011, 09:32 PM   #4
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First Class has broken a lot of continuity. I would love if this was a fresh start but that is not the case. Singer and Vaughn have both said that Fassbender and McAvoy will grow into the Magneto and X played by McKellen and Stewart. In the end, it's a prequel that didn't closely follow the previous films.

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Old 06-04-2011, 09:37 PM   #5
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The movie had so many subtle references to the original trilogy. Some that ring a bell are things like Magneto and Mystique's suggested romance to McCoy referencing that Mystique has genes that allow her to age at a decreased rate (which explains why Mystique still appears in her mid-20s in the original films). Honestly, this film only contradicts X-Men Origins: Wolverine and X-Men: The Last Stand (aside from the "Hank McCoy" cameo in X2), which we all know were so well received by the critics. I am completely fine with this film and it's sequels keeping continuity with the first two films and disregarding the rest.

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Old 06-05-2011, 01:38 AM   #6
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Well, I don't really care what the powers at be say, I'm going to pretend that First Class and it's sequel(s) are their own thing, so that when there's a contradiction, I won't give a ****.

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Old 06-05-2011, 01:49 AM   #7
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Who cares about The Last Stand and XOW?

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I think of it as more of a stand alone film that builds its own continuity and could have more sequels built on top of it. The two biggest things that stop me from viewing this movie as a proper prequel is the introduction of Havok and the Professor X and Mystique relationship. If this truly was a prequel, I feel like there should have been more of a nod to Mystique and Professor X in the first 2 movies, but as it is the relationship seems out place and doesn't appear to fit well within the continuity. The only other issue I have is Havok is supposed to be Cyclops' younger brother, and if he's a teen the 60s he should have been in his 50s in the 2000s and Cyclops was in his 30s in the 2000s, so it doesn't quite fit. There are probably a couple more issues I have, but I need more reflection time. Those were just the big two that jumped out at me.

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I'm guessing if they continue this line, they'll act like these are prequels until the old franchise has faded enough in everyone's memory. Then they'll probably begin outright ignoring the original trilogy and make First Class a retroactive reboot. Maybe after Third Class. That's only if First Class does well enough for a sequel though.

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Old 06-05-2011, 01:59 AM   #10
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This movie has its own continuity, for sure.

It uses the original series as a basis to place its characters, but the relationships, the timelines, the frame of references, and the milestone moments previously referenced in the original trilogy are now all up in the air at this moment and will be at the mercy of the stories they choose to tell.

The one genius idea that someone has to do now in the second movie is to introduce a time travel scenario (which Star Trek fans might not like) where it is somewhat made evident that at some point, XMFC and the OT are existing on two different timelines.

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Old 06-05-2011, 03:02 PM   #11
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I think the best way to go would be a sequel to this to better set up the original two movies. At some point Emma Frost, Azazel, Silent Tornado Man, Havok, Banshee and Angel have to be dealt with to explain why they aren't a part of the action in X1.

I think that you should NOT bother to bring in Scott or Jean because that will just lead to temptation to bring them in for future films, and then retell a story they've already botched once.

Maybe you do this...

In the next film, Mr Sinister is the main villain...and he gets rid of whoever you have no future use for...maybe introduce a young Storm. He gets killed in the end but promises that an Apocalypse will come in the future. For the film after that, it can be set ANYWHERE in the future. You could start this film with Beast, Storm and Moira (possibly with Prof X in a new body). You would basically be at the point you ended at both Second Class and X3. If you were to then have an Apocalypse movie(s), the action would be such that you could bring in anyone who survived any of the previous movies and it wouldn't matter...we're talking about worldwide destruction, so Nightcrawler could easily show up to help regardless of what continuity you preferred.

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Old 06-05-2011, 03:07 PM   #12
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His name Is riptide... Lol silent tornado man
Sinister would be a great villain but mutant experimentation has been done to death in these flms


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Old 06-05-2011, 03:38 PM   #13
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Shaw sort of took elements of Sinister (his look was more like Sinister, his experimentation on Magneto was more like Sinister) and his powers were a bit more like Bishop (returned blasts, not superstrength).

It need something fresh. Depends partly on the era they choose. If still in the 60s, could be Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King speech, maybe Civil Rights, as a backdrop. Or the space race. If in the 70s, other stuff altogether, obviously.

It'd be nice - at some point - to see some happy mutants too, in some kind of setting where they were accepted or where they integrated with society. That might be something for an X4 perhaps, a world where mutants and humans did live together in peace, for a time at least.

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Old 06-05-2011, 03:47 PM   #14
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Then the sentinels come out and put it in that pain

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Old 06-05-2011, 03:52 PM   #15
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I'd honestly prefer it if the second one was 70's, and the third was 80's.

70's: Bring in a couple new characters, but Scott, Jean or Storm
80's: Bring in Scott, Jean and Storm.

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I voted wrong.

I should have voted for the first option: a prequel

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Old 06-05-2011, 06:46 PM   #17
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Magneto should be the villain in the sequel, they can't just put the cool helmet with the bad costume at the end, give him an enormous brotherhood and then cue in Sinister.

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Old 06-05-2011, 06:56 PM   #18
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The movies...like it or not...are Magneto and Wolverine's stories. Magneto is far more important than Xavier (heck, it's hard to be important when you spend most of the time in a coma or dead). So, the racism aspect went away and it became more about an update of the Holocaust. At this point I'm not even sure it would be worthwhile to bother getting racism involved in the movie-verse because it's so ingrained that mutants are like Jews in WW2, not American blacks.

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The movies...like it or not...are Magneto and Wolverine's stories. Magneto is far more important than Xavier (heck, it's hard to be important when you spend most of the time in a coma or dead). So, the racism aspect went away and it became more about an update of the Holocaust. At this point I'm not even sure it would be worthwhile to bother getting racism involved in the movie-verse because it's so ingrained that mutants are like Jews in WW2, not American blacks.
Brian's X-Men were always more in tune with homosexuality than any race of people TBH.

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Brian's X-Men were always more in tune with homosexuality than any race of people TBH.
Could you please give examples of that...aside from the real world sexuality of those involved with the movie? I really don't see any real similarity there at all...

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Rogues storyline in and of itself is obviously a nod to the unable to act physically with the one you love and is one of the subplots of the movies. The way that the government responds to mutants in the series as the "mutant problem" much like the gay marraige and Bobby's mother even uttering uneasily "have you tried... Not being a mutant." All things many gay and lesbians have heard of no doubt.

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My question is, now that Xavier is paralyzed, how do you keep him involved in the actual action scenes? One of the weaknesses of the original trilogy is that you could tell they didn't really know what to do with Xavier, which is why he was always incapacitated before the third act. In X1, he went into a coma, X2, he was in a hallucination, and finally killed in X3. So now, they've basically put him in the same situation going forward. It made me kind of sad to see him running next to Beast in this one and having such a good time.

And don't give me the "Xavier regained his ability to walk in the comics" excuse, because those were due to external things like alien intervention, which I don't see them going with in this series.

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I don't see how this movie can be taken as any kind of "reboot", other than a desperate attempt by the fans to take a shot at X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Except for the timeline regarding Xavier's use of his legs, the continuity of this film lines up with the other movies way too well to be thought of as any kind of reboot in any way.

The opening sequence is ripped directly from the opening sequence of the first movie. That's more than a "nod".

One of the focal characters of the movie (Mystique) looks exactly the same as she does in the original trilogy.

The one character who does look different (Beast) already has a built in explanation to why he looks different. The most obvious being Hank's explanation of how the "cure" worked on him - enhancing his mutant genes instead of attacking them. Given that his serum was taken from Mystique's genes, it's very easy to believe that his appearance could alter over a course of 40 years. Especially considering he is a mutant who is very insecure about his appearance, and given that he went from a scientist to a member of the President's cabinet, it's also believable that he would take measures on his own to alter his appearance.

Going back to Mystique, the explanation of how her mutation works is also a built in explanation as to why she still maintains a youthful look in the original trilogy, 40 years later, including in X-Men: The Last Stand after she's been cured.

Her relationship with Charles in X-Men: First Class can be seen to be a reason why she is so concerned when she learns of Stryker's planned attack on Xavier's mansion in X2. It could also help to explain why she'd turn on Magneto the way she did in X-Men: The Last Stand after she was cured and Magneto abandoned her. It doesn't feel so out of place now, knowing what she was like before Magneto got into her head. She was actually a good woman, with a good head on her shoulders and a good sense of morals.

Then there's the obvious - the way she reacts to Senator Kelly, as well as Nightcrawler, in the original movies, and the agents in X-Men: The Last Stand are reinforced.

The very fact that the timeline would prevent them from using any of the original X-Men (outside of Beast, who was obviously depicted as older than the rest in X-Men: The Last Stand), and as such, none of the original X-Men appear in the movie (if it was truly a reboot that disregarded the established continuity, there'd be no reason to exclude Cyclops, Iceman, or Jean Grey. And if you're using the argument that they are keeping Singer's films, and disregarding Ratner and Hood's films, then they would have been able to use Angel in the role, instead of Angel Salvatore).

William Stryker is referenced in the movie via his father being a part of the CIA, William mentioned directly by Xavier, and a reference to William's son via the woman with the blue and green eyes (perhaps William's future wife?)

The same Blackbird / X-Jet is used. The same Xavier Mansion is used. Rebecca Romijn and Hugh Jackman are both in the film, recognizing their original trilogy roles in this universe.

It connects to the original trilogy way too much to be considered a reboot. The only contradiction is the timeline regarding Xavier's ability to walk. That's IT. Everything else in the movie follows up with the rest of the series. And seeing as how X-Men Origins: Wolverine would have nothing whatsoever to do with X-Men: First Class, I don't see how they are throwing out the continuity of that movie either when nothing in First Class contradicted it (again, outside of the shaky timeline of Xavier's ability to walk).

There is no way this is a reboot. It's part of the same universe. Sometimes, a movie series has a movie or 2 that don't live up to the quality of the rest. That doesn't mean you scrap the whole thing. X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine sucked in your eyes. It didn't suck in everyone's. I know plenty of people who think those are the best, or like them just as much as the others. I know I do. But just because there are a couple slight continuity issues that were neglected because the film makers thought they needed to do so in order to tell the best story doesn't mean that it's a reboot.

Or is the Star Wars prequel trilogy a reboot too, because of certain continuity issues between the 2 trilogies?

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The scene with Bobby and his mom was totally a gay outing type thing. But on topic honestly I would love for these films to be there own so they could add what ever mutants they want and what not.

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My question is, now that Xavier is paralyzed, how do you keep him involved in the actual action scenes? One of the weaknesses of the original trilogy is that you could tell they didn't really know what to do with Xavier, which is why he was always incapacitated before the third act. In X1, he went into a coma, X2, he was in a hallucination, and finally killed in X3. So now, they've basically put him in the same situation going forward. It made me kind of sad to see him running next to Beast in this one and having such a good time.

And don't give me the "Xavier regained his ability to walk in the comics" excuse, because those were due to external things like alien intervention, which I don't see them going with in this series.
An astral plane battle with Emma Frost, perhaps? Like the one that was cut from First Class because it was too much like Inception. Xavier can move around on the astral plane...about time we got that, and a showdown with Emma...

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