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Old 06-08-2011, 06:02 PM   #176
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I don't remember him officially declaring "war" on humanity. He only wanted mutants to band together for now, for defense or something. Vaughn said that Mags and Charles are still friends, this was just a "minor" fight.

So he left his friend there who's just been shot in the back and the military just fired enough missiles at them to level a city??

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So he left his friend there who's just been shot in the back and the military just fired enough missiles at them to level a city??
Magneto is awesome! (But he did rush to Xavier's side when he got shot. He could have annihilated the fleet, but teleported away instead.)

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So he left his friend there who's just been shot in the back and the military just fired enough missiles at them to level a city??
This is indeed cruel. Especially considering how much said friend tried to help him.
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:03 PM   #179
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Well, Erik didn't will the bullet to Charles, so, in that respect, there was some bad blood, but Erik had no desire to kill Charles and of course Charles knew this as well. So, they definitely aren't friends anymore, but they aren't necessarily mortal enemies either. They'll always be "old friends" as they each owe their lives to one another.

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Well it was said if I recall that Beast said he was setting up this machine or tower to read brainwaves and amplify them or something to that nature. I don't think they ever said that he was making a device to locate mutants. With Charles there he saw a way to actually make it work I think and that it could be used to find mutants. It also sounded to still be a work in progress or an incomplete invention. With Charles there Beast found in a telepath a missing component to make it work.
Meh, seems like an easy way out for introducing cerebro. Still would have like to see Mags and Erik build it together as was said.

Also, I find it interesting that a machine built to read brainwaves and amplify them was placed out in the back yard rather than in the facility of the CIA building. Just seems like it was forced that's all.


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I agree. A missed part to me was where was this mutant persecution that would cause Mags to go the route he did? What Mutant persecution did he witness and experience? None at all in the movie. Humanity at large did not know mutants exist. I really think it was rushed to get Mags to be the villain. This is something that could've at least been explored more heavily in a second film. Erik and Charles looked to have known each other for no more then a few weeks based on the timing in the film. Months or years didn't go by. You need years to go to establish a close friendship. Attacks on and the persecution of Mutants needed to be established. I'm sorry but Erik 's experience of the Holocaust isn't enough of a justification for his future actions because as far as I know he is the only mutant to be a victim of it while the millions of others were human.

The movie was definitely rushed. Like I said Singer and Vaughn wanted to make sure they got all they could in this one in case a sequel wasn't made.

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:14 PM   #181
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my main gripe is that for a movie called first class, i would have liked to see more with the first class. Sure I was against using this group for the X-Men, but the movie didnt really give me a chance to get to know them since this was really charles and Eriks story. The whole start of the movie was very choppy to me and began to really take flight when the training at the mansion started. I think that should have come more into focus since, while charles and Magneto's history has always been important to X-Men lore, the books are more about the students.

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:29 PM   #182
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I guess a better title would've been Erik and Charles.

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:31 PM   #183
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^LOL X-Men: The Beginning would have been okay ..

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:46 PM   #184
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I agree. A missed part to me was where was this mutant persecution that would cause Mags to go the route he did? What Mutant persecution did he witness and experience? None at all in the movie. Humanity at large did not know mutants exist. I really think it was rushed to get Mags to be the villain. This is something that could've at least been explored more heavily in a second film. Erik and Charles looked to have known each other for no more then a few weeks based on the timing in the film. Months or years didn't go by. You need years to go to establish a close friendship. Attacks on and the persecution of Mutants needed to be established. I'm sorry but Erik 's experience of the Holocaust isn't enough of a justification for his future actions because as far as I know he is the only mutant to be a victim of it while the millions of others were human.
The American and Soviet militaries attempting to bomb the mutants who had just prevented WWIII.

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Old 06-08-2011, 08:38 PM   #185
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The American and Soviet militaries attempting to bomb the mutants who had just prevented WWIII.
Not to mention the whole point was that Magneto thought the human race would turn on them and treat them how they treated the Jews. He saw humanity's cruelness first hand and believed humans were capable of doing it again. It wasn't what humanity had done but what they were going to do. Xavier believed he was wrong but at the end Magneto was proven right.

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Not to mention the whole point was that Magneto thought the human race would turn on them and treat them how they treated the Jews. He saw humanity's cruelness first hand and believed humans were capable of doing it again. It wasn't what humanity had done but what they were going to do. Xavier believed he was wrong but at the end Magneto was proven right.
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Two scenes I thought were pretty damn awkward:
-Seeing young raven naked in the kitchen...wtf
- After Beast turns the X-jet he gives a very cheesy smile that was just really weird (I could here people snickering in the theater_
- Also not really awkward but for some reason I laughed when Charles wouldn't stop saying "I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs!". I was just wondering when he finally stopped.

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- After Beast turns the X-jet he gives a very cheesy smile that was just really weird (I could here people snickering in the theater_

Now that was the definition of a cheese eating grin. It was a bit silly, especially how he shakes his head. Ah hur hur hur!

- Also not really awkward but for some reason I laughed when Charles wouldn't stop saying "I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs!". I was just wondering when he finally stopped.
I liked that scene, he said it three times I think. It didn't bother me.

One of the worst scenes in the film was when Moira was trying to get ahold of the military to tell them to not bomb the island. HELLO! HELLOOOOO! Then how the camera stayed on her face with that godawful look. Sorry, but I didn't care for Moira in this film. I didn't mind that she was part of the CIA, I just didn't care for the actress. She also had a stupid look on her face when she hits the button in that booth and the booth starts spinning around. She just came off as annoying in a few scenes.

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Two scenes I thought were pretty damn awkward:
-Seeing young raven naked in the kitchen...wtf
- After Beast turns the X-jet he gives a very cheesy smile that was just really weird (I could here people snickering in the theater_
- Also not really awkward but for some reason I laughed when Charles wouldn't stop saying "I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs!". I was just wondering when he finally stopped.
So weird that youtube has almost everything I can think of .. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG6DcX5IpTE


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I don't remember him officially declaring "war" on humanity. He only wanted mutants to band together for now, for defense or something. Vaughn said that Mags and Charles are still friends, this was just a "minor" fight.
Really?

Huh...I dont see how they can still be friends. But if Vaughn says it

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Two scenes I thought were pretty damn awkward:
-Seeing young raven naked in the kitchen...wtf
- After Beast turns the X-jet he gives a very cheesy smile that was just really weird (I could here people snickering in the theater_
- Also not really awkward but for some reason I laughed when Charles wouldn't stop saying "I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs!". I was just wondering when he finally stopped.
LOL, yeah... I laughed too because it made me think of two things.

1. The scene in Can't Hardly Wait where the nerdy guy is so wasted that he says he can't feel his legs.

2. This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17VJ1ohW7I8

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- Also not really awkward but for some reason I laughed when Charles wouldn't stop saying "I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs!". I was just wondering when he finally stopped.

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I thought Mystique shape shifting into Xaviers mom seemed ridiculous. I didn't buy that she could make herself any size/height.

Emma Frosts in crystallized form was kind of an eye sore. Didn't like that effect much

Didn't understand why Moira kept shooting at Magneto.

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LOL Moira needed to show her CIA agent skills!

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I agree. A missed part to me was where was this mutant persecution that would cause Mags to go the route he did? What Mutant persecution did he witness and experience? None at all in the movie. Humanity at large did not know mutants exist. I really think it was rushed to get Mags to be the villain. This is something that could've at least been explored more heavily in a second film. Erik and Charles looked to have known each other for no more then a few weeks based on the timing in the film. Months or years didn't go by. You need years to go to establish a close friendship. Attacks on and the persecution of Mutants needed to be established. I'm sorry but Erik 's experience of the Holocaust isn't enough of a justification for his future actions because as far as I know he is the only mutant to be a victim of it while the millions of others were human.
I've seen asked a few times now. I think it was even brought up in the 1st films but it involved his experience during the holocaust. I think he mentioned something about "look how they treated their own imagine what they would do to mutants". Also the whole "i've already been branded/marked" scene where he shows his holocaust tattoo in the film.

I will say I think it would have been more powerful had the character of shaw not been a mutant but a human.

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When blue-Beast was revealed...I half expected Hank to say "kidding!" and take off the mask. The makeup was embarrassingly terrible.

And then we needed to see more reaction from Hank and the other X-Men. It was just too jarring.

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Worst part for me was when the credits started rolling.

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Just a note on inconsistency, with the comics.

Emma Frost's Crystal form was a secondary ability added later in her characterization in the comics. It definitely was not at either point in time in Origins or First Class. It was after the Genosha masacre it happened.

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