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Old 06-08-2011, 01:43 PM   #26
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He hates all previous X films.Whenever someone mentions they like X2 he always calls It boring or asks why.

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You find X2 boring ?

- Nightcrawler intro
- attack of the school with Wolverine badassery
- Mystique infiltration / spy jobs
- Magneto escape
- the plot was fine ( for me at least )
- the dialogue were fine ( for me )

As far as I'm concerned it's my favorit with First Class
Yes, I do. At least compared to X3. Not saying the story is better, but the action is meh in my opinion.

Nightcrawler intro was the only real good thing.
Attack of the school was good, but wanted to see more mutants. Felt kind of blue balled that Colossus wasn't shown more.
Mystique meh, seen her in X1. Could have shown someone else kicking some butt too.
Magneto escape, holes holes holes. This man obviously could have summoned some metal to come in and break him free. He needs discs to fly??? Yeah the ripping of metal out of the guard was nice, but the story was just tiring and boring.
The plot was okay.
The dialogue was okay.

I just thought it was slightly better than X1, which was crap. Yeah it had its moments but overall the movie was long and drawn out.

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He hates all previous X films.Whenever someone mentions they like X2 he always calls It boring or asks why.
Actually, I like X3 for its entertainment value, X2 story (kind of), and X1 for actually being made to make the other films.

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Old 06-08-2011, 01:52 PM   #29
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It makes the character's motivations deeper. However, the action and story of First Class just seems to fast for the first 2 films. Sorry, but X1 and X2 are boring, and are pretty much the reason why X3 gets played so much on tv. Yeah, X3 lacks the story of X2, but it is more entertaining IMHO.
I'll watch a boring X1 and X2 over X3 any day.

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To each their own. I'll watch Hulk over Punisher, and Blade 2 over X1 X2 any day. Everyone has their own taste. I just like to know why people like X1 and X2 so much, because I don't see it. Just curious though, no harm.

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Old 06-08-2011, 02:13 PM   #31
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I usually avoid Last Stand on TV.Last week I watched X-Men and X2 on Fx but avoided
Last Stand.I watch The Increbie Hluk but barely ever watch Hulk.I watch Punisher but barely watch Punisher War Zone.

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Old 06-08-2011, 02:28 PM   #32
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I usually avoid Last Stand on TV.Last week I watched X-Men and X2 on Fx but avoided
Last Stand.I watch The Increbie Hluk but barely ever watch Hulk.I watch Punisher but barely watch Punisher War Zone.
See I'm the exact opposite. I'll watch Last Stand, X2, X1 in that order. Haven't seen Punisher War Zone actually heard it was better than Punisher. I am 50/50 on Punisher. I like Thomas Jane, but couldn't stand the plot of the movie. Story made sense, just the plot was off and I didn't like Travolta as the bad guy. Plus the cheesiness in the fight scene with the Russian and the music made my head hurt.

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Old 06-08-2011, 02:39 PM   #33
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They could always change the trilogy to match First Class. Just remove or change a few lines here & there & remove any dates heard or seen on the screen

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Another scene for me is the final scene of Magneto playing chess alone in the park.

I know chess was an aspect in the first film, but seeing just how strong of an element it is in First Class, Magneto comes off as truly sad and alone in that scene. Before the magical moving chess piece, that scene actually becomes incredibly more emotional for me now. And im kind of glad to see him move the chess piece now. I've already had my own theories as to why, which dont make the cure useless, but I really feel something for that scene now.

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changes my perspective on Fox, that they finally saw X3 and Wolverine for the piles of monkey crap they are.

I do think the line spoken by Magneto while holding the bullets "I don't think I can stop them all Charles" now has some erie backing to it. Almost like he is mocking Xavier.
Never thought about that...

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I just thought it was slightly better than X1, which was crap. Yeah it had its moments but overall the movie was long and drawn out.
Yeah, X2 has some genuinely great moments, but the movie as a whole kinda drags. It's paced terribly, look at First Class, it's the same length, but it's paced pretty perfectly.

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See I'm the exact opposite. I'll watch Last Stand, X2, X1 in that order. Haven't seen Punisher War Zone actually heard it was better than Punisher. I am 50/50 on Punisher. I like Thomas Jane, but couldn't stand the plot of the movie. Story made sense, just the plot was off and I didn't like Travolta as the bad guy. Plus the cheesiness in the fight scene with the Russian and the music made my head hurt.
I'd stick to avoiding PWZ, it has some nice action, and Stevenson is good. But the the script/dialogue is terrible, it has good actors giving terrible performances, and there is barely a plot. Dominic West as Jigsaw, you'll either love the hammy over-the-top acting or hate it.

I thought the Russian fight was great, and in my view the one on one fights in PWZ don't come off anywhere near as fun and brutal.


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Something I just remembered that was changed was how Cerebro came to be. In X1, Xavier tells Logan that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, whereas in First Class, it was Beast's invention.

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Something I just remembered that was changed was how Cerebro came to be. In X1, Xavier tells Logan that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, whereas in First Class, it was Beast's invention.
Well, Beast created the first version of it, which was ultimately destroyed..

Remember, this is in the 60's. There could've been a time much later and before the events of X1 where Magneto helps to create the newer one.

Either way, it still doesn't explain why in that very same scene, Xavier seems completely perplexed at how Magneto "found some way to shield himself" from Cerebro.

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Yes, I do. At least compared to X3. Not saying the story is better, but the action is meh in my opinion.

Nightcrawler intro was the only real good thing.
Attack of the school was good, but wanted to see more mutants. Felt kind of blue balled that Colossus wasn't shown more.
Mystique meh, seen her in X1. Could have shown someone else kicking some butt too.
Magneto escape, holes holes holes. This man obviously could have summoned some metal to come in and break him free. He needs discs to fly??? Yeah the ripping of metal out of the guard was nice, but the story was just tiring and boring.
The plot was okay.
The dialogue was okay.

I just thought it was slightly better than X1, which was crap. Yeah it had its moments but overall the movie was long and drawn out.
Took the words out of my mouth seriously.

X2 was a huge disappointment for me because it was supposed to be the movie where mutants are a known public menace and high action scenes with sentinels and heavy machinery swat

Instead we get an underwhelming story about mutant experimentation

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Well, Beast created the first version of it, which was ultimately destroyed..

Remember, this is in the 60's. There could've been a time much later and before the events of X1 where Magneto helps to create the newer one.

Either way, it still doesn't explain why in that very same scene, Xavier seems completely perplexed at how Magneto "found some way to shield himself" from Cerebro.
Maybe cerebro 2 was built to pierce magneto head armor and later right before the movie magneto ups the Ante

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Yeah, X2 has some genuinely great moments, but the movie as a whole kinda drags. It's paced terribly, look at First Class, it's the same length, but it's paced pretty perfectly.
So glad I'm not the only person that thinks this.

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I'd stick to avoiding PWZ, it has some nice action, and Stevenson is good. But the the script/dialogue is terrible, it has good actors giving terrible performances, and there is barely a plot. Dominic West as Jigsaw, you'll either love the hammy over-the-top acting or hate it.

I thought the Russian fight was great, and in my view the one on one fights in PWZ don't come off anywhere near as fun and brutal.
I'll wait until it comes on tv then, or borrow it from a friend. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the Russian fight scene. I thought it was one of the best in a comic movie. I just don't like the juxtaposition of the two guys dancing oblivious to what is going on and the music playing. I just didn't dig it that much.


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Took the words out of my mouth seriously.

X2 was a huge disappointment for me because it was supposed to be the movie where mutants are a known public menace and high action scenes with sentinels and heavy machinery swat

Instead we get an underwhelming story about mutant experimentation
Yes, another one. That's exactly how I felt, but I was willing to let it go for the story that was X2. It's just that the story development and pacing wasn't that good as it should have been.

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Maybe cerebro 2 was built to pierce magneto head armor and later right before the movie magneto ups the Ante
I think they flubbed up the cerebro arc. Yeah, I guess if there is a sequel Xavier and Erik can make up and build a new one, but it was already stated in Singer's X1 & X2. How is he going to change his own story and mythos just for one movie. That man is weird.

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Well, you can easily imagine you would need Magneto to put together that Cerebro chamber seen in the later movies. Whether we see that happen, who knows.

We'd need a plot where Magneto comes to Xavier needing help tracking down a mutant, or something like that.

Then they could have the new Cerebro at the mansion. At present, there is no Cerebro at all, because it was destroyed.

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Heh, I could buy that possibility...It's probably quite easy to believe that the new Cerebro would be much more stronger than the last...

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Well the way I take the line now is that Magneto did most if not all of the "grunt" work in constructing the Cerebro at the mansion.

Beast and Xavier were the brains, while Magneto was the muscle...not to say that he didn't contribute creatively as well. But that he was more involved on a physical level.

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I think all of those scenarios could work actually. However, it would take Magneto and Xavier making up for it to work, and I'm sorry but I couldn't just by a all is forgiven just to make a new cerebro to track and locate mutants. Seems like Magneto would just destroy it after his needs are met. Then again he does respect Xavier's views on mutant and human co-existence, but just thinks that it is the wrong path to take.

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Magneto's "Young People" line from 'X-Men' where he changes Rogue in the back with the syringe. Reminds me of various moments in 'First Class' where Erik's with Raven; especially the scene where her and Hank are about to kiss and Erik interrupts them with the "Kinky" line. Just shows audiences that he recognizes how naive young people can be.

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Magneto's "Young People" line from 'X-Men' where he changes Rogue in the back with the syringe. Reminds me of various moments in 'First Class' where Erik's with Raven; especially the scene where her and Hank are about to kiss and Erik interrupts them with the "Kinky" line. Just shows audiences that he recognizes how naive young people can be.
I know some people are kinda confused about how Mystique ages so slowly and that although she's probably in her mid thirties at this point physically, her mental development is still that of a woman in her late teens, early twenties. It's the only way I can make sense of her behavior, really...

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I know some people are kinda confused about how Mystique ages so slowly and that although she's probably in her mid thirties at this point physically, her mental development is still that of a woman in her late teens, early twenties. It's the only way I can make sense of her behavior, really...
Raven is still in her late teens / early 20's in First Class. She's the same age as Xavier.

And I totally buy Magneto helping Xavier build Cerebro. Their "falling out" at the end of First Class didn't seem final to me. It seemed like two men realizing they were destined for different paths, but as of yet, their paths hadn't crossed as adversaries. It's totally plausible in my mind that Magneto would still aid Xavier in building Cerebro and starting up the school, helping to recruit young mutants.

The way I feel, about how the continuity works between the films, I believe the final falling out between Xavier and Magneto to be over Jean Grey, and how she plays into how they feel about mutants and the interaction with humans.

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18 years pass 1944-1962. It is said that Charles is 10 so one could assume that Erik is at most a year or two older, if at all and mystique is a year or two younger if at all.

Thus if Charles is now 28-29 then Mystique is 26-29, but looks and acts 14-17.

Also, if Xavier is going for his PhD then he is by far older than late teens.

I think it is fair to say that Xavier and Erik are now on opposite sides. If they weren't Azazel would have teleported everyone off the island.

Also, I don't want Jean to be the reason they fall out if they stay with the X3 theme of them still being close friends in the 80s. I'd rather they had conflict just because of their ideologies and not just one mutant.

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