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Yes; time to start with a completely fresh slate 46 60.53%
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:28 AM   #26
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People the moment bryan Singer was Involved the Idea of a reboot was out the door.If you do a reboot then both The Wolverine and Deadpool immedetly have to be axed.

Matthew vaughn may have blurred the lines between Prequel and reboot In Some Interviews but they hardly tried to trick people Into thinking this was a reboot.

If you reboot my attitude Is you need a whole new cast and crew.My problem was the James Bond series IS the same producers and writers who approved of Die Another Day are still In charge.Pierce Brosnon didn't write produce and direct Die Another day.Just
like for those who didn't like Quontum of Solace It wasn't Danial Craig's fault.Judi Dench should not be playing M In the second bond series.And yes Casino Royale and QOS should be called 1 and 2 In new bond series not Bond 21,and 22.

Star Trek brought an entire new team with the exception of Leonard Nimoy.Their time travel causing alternate timeline makes connections to past Star Trek work especilly since the writers keep Insisting these are still same characters just their history has been changed and the universe IS doing course correction.

First Class has way too many connections to X-Men and X2 to be called a reboot.And I hate to tell people this but a reboot would not bring the original team In.It would be like first X-Men a mix of characters.I hate to be one to remind people of this but It was the 70's team that made X-Men the top comic franchise.That team was Cyclops,Wolverine,Storm,Colossus,Nightcrawler,and Banshee.

First Class works very will with X-men and X2.
Agreed with this, too.

I don't see how Casino Royale was a "reboot" when the Bond movies have never had a serious timeline or continuity. They have always been more like stand alone stories than any kind of connecting continuity. It was a recast of the lead character. That's it.

Then you made the point about Star Trek, the story of that movie is literally being an alternate universe in that continuity. So it still establishes itself within Star Trek continuity, while creating it's own.

X-Men: First Class is not a reboot. It is a prequel that, if anything, is more of a stand alone movie than something that directly ties in with X-Men. Certain aspects of the plot to lead into X-Men, what with Xavier and Magneto splitting apart, and such, but it's more of a stand alone film that doesn't really connect to the overall story of the original trilogy. And I think that's what confuses people into thinking it's a reboot.

The entire original trilogy ties into each other directly. The events of X-Men directly lead into the events of X2 which directly tie into the events of X-Men: The Last Stand. In that regard, the original trilogy is very much Star Wars-esque in terms of it's tight continuity between films.

X-Men: First Class is more along the lines of, here's something that happened before the events of X-Men. But, these events don't directly influence or cause the plot of X-Men. It's just a story, within the same universe of the other movies, but doesn't directly have anything to do with the stories of the original movies.

Just looking at my DVD shelf right now, it's more like Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2. Both of those movies are in the same universe, and some aspects of the characters carry over from one film to the next, but ultimately these are 2 separate stories within the same universe that don't have jack crap to do with each other. That's what X-Men: First Class is to the original trilogy.

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Old 06-08-2011, 01:21 AM   #27
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The Ghost Busters comparisons is a pretty bad one to go with though. Part 2 is a lazy sequel that is more or less the same film as the first structurally and story wise, minus a few bits here and there.

But hell, First Class works with all the three of the original movies. Who gives a **** about the opening scene in The Last Stand (well I know the fanboys do) **** it it's there live with it, maybe they'll address it in one of the sequels.

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Old 06-08-2011, 01:42 AM   #29
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The Ghost Busters comparisons is a pretty bad one to go with though. Part 2 is a lazy sequel that is more or less the same film as the first structurally and story wise, minus a few bits here and there.

But hell, First Class works with all the three of the original movies. Who gives a **** about the opening scene in The Last Stand (well I know the fanboys do) **** it it's there live with it, maybe they'll address it in one of the sequels.
I'm not talking about the quality of Ghostbusters 2 compared to the original, I'm just talking about how it relates to the original as a stand alone sequel.

The quality of X-Men: The Last Stand isn't considered to be equal to the originals in the minds of many (most?) fanboys, but it's certainly not considered a reboot.

But yes, I agree with your closing statement, all of the movies work just fine together. It's not without inconsistencies, but they work together.

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I voted for "No; it SHOULD be connected to the past films in some way".

If FOX really wanted to reboot the X-Men franchise, they could have just made a movie with Wolverine, Cyclops and any of those popular X-Men people!

Plus this First Class is a PREQUEL! The studio is not yet sure if there's a 2nd part or 3rd part for this movie.

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Old 06-08-2011, 01:52 AM   #31
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It's a reboot.

All the talk is about sequels to First Class and nothing about sequels to X3.

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It's a reboot.

All the talk is about sequels to First Class and nothing about sequels to X3.
Good luck with that.

XFC is not performing that well in box-office.

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Old 06-08-2011, 02:30 AM   #33
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Matthew Vaughn has stated that it's a reboot. While they have some fun and make some nods to the original trilogy it's a fresh take. Some people have been calling it a preboot. This is a reboot of what will most likely be a brand new trilogy.

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Old 06-08-2011, 04:14 AM   #34
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Matthew Vaughn has stated that it's a reboot. While they have some fun and make some nods to the original trilogy it's a fresh take. Some people have been calling it a preboot. This is a reboot of what will most likely be a brand new trilogy.
Reboot =/= brand new trilogy. There can be a trilogy of films without them resetting into a new universe, which the films have not done. If they had, there wouldn't be all of these ties to the world they already created.

If this was intended as a reboot - which I doubt - then they've done a poor job of starting fresh.

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I've said this elsewhere around here, but I'll say it again: I think it's a reboot ala Casino Royale, not Star Trek. That is, they're targeting basically the same audience as the most recent installment (the opposite of what Star Trek did), so they don't want to change too much (like keeping Judi Dench as M), but they're telling their own "prequel" story that's never really gonna completely match up to the preceding installments. They've already made minor changes to the mythos, and I think if Vaughn & Co. get to continue with this story, they'll intentionally deviate even more from the originals. I would imagine that when it's time to bring in some of the X-Men we've known previously (namely Scott, Jean & Storm) but as youngsters, they'll kind of re-invent them, and hopefully do them justice this time.

It's more a prequel in spirit than in physical continuity - adhering to the character essentials but not so much to the story mechanics/details. I think that's why the term "pre-boot" keeps getting used.

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Matthew Vaughn has stated that it's a reboot. While they have some fun and make some nods to the original trilogy it's a fresh take. Some people have been calling it a preboot. This is a reboot of what will most likely be a brand new trilogy.
There is nothing about this film that is a reboot.

There are more than just "nods" to the previous films. It takes its history directly from the history of the previous movies literally shot for shot. If its a reboot, they would not recreate the opening scene from X-Men. Mystique looks exactly the same, meaning they are keeping her as the same character. The connections between Beast in this movie and his other appearance sync up perfectly. The choices of characters used is directly related to the existing timeline of the trilogy.

This movie contradicts 2 scenes of Xavier walking, a -nameless- Emma Frost cameo, and a small handful of forgotten dialogue that nobody outside of the hardcore fanbase remember. It connects to so much more, that is much more significant than just "nods"

You are right about one thing; its a fresh take. It is very different stylistically than the previous movies. But that doesn't equal reboot. Ratner was stylistically different than Singer, as was Hood, but those films aren't reboots. They are no different than new writers coming in and having a different take on the comics than Lee and Kirby, or Lee and Claremont.

There is hardly enough evidence of this being a reboot, other than desperation from fanboys to take shots at movies 3 and 4 cuz they didn't get what they wanted. It was a fresh take on the franchise that brought back some much needed life and credibility after the last 2 installments - and that's coming from someone who loved both those movies. But even as a fan of them, they did damage to the series even in my eyes, and First Class went a long way towards healing those wounds. As much as I have criticism against Vaughn for certain aspects of his vision, im glad he gave the series some credibility and got it back on track.

Whether or not we can agree on if its a reboot or not (and its not), I think we can all agree that its good to have the franchise on good terms again. That's the real victory for all of us fanboys.

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I for one believe that First Class should've been a complete reboot, instead of having to add little things that would tie it to previous X-Men movies. I think the other X-Men movies, even the good ones, were not without their flaws. A clean slate would've really given this franchise a kind of fresh start that it needed, and Wolverine can do his own things as a separate universe. But since Singer is a producer, he probably didn't want all his work to be neglected, so he chose to go this route instead.

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I for one believe that First Class should've been a complete reboot, instead of having to add little things that would tie it to previous X-Men movies. I think the other X-Men movies, even the good ones, were not without their flaws. A clean slate would've really given this franchise a kind of fresh start that it needed, and Wolverine can do his own things as a separate universe. But since Singer is a producer, he probably didn't want all his work to be neglected, so he chose to go this route instead.
I agree with this statement. However, I don't mind that this is a prequel/reboot/possible alternate reality/stand alone/!@#$. It was good and I will take what I can get.

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They should just do a Days Of Future Past movie. That way they can just change their entire timeline & make something completely new in the end. Star Trek style

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They should just do a Days Of Future Past movie. That way they can just change their entire timeline & make something completely new in the end. Star Trek style
Thought the same thing.

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They should just do a Days Of Future Past movie. That way they can just change their entire timeline & make something completely new in the end. Star Trek style
I'm with this idea...It's a very popular storyline but they need to be careful to make sure they make it interesting and their own thing.

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Old 06-08-2011, 09:52 PM   #42
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I'm with this idea...It's a very popular storyline but they need to be careful to make sure they make it interesting and their own thing.
It would be nice if they did, but I think that the storyline is too science fiction for the likes of Singer and Fox given this franchise.

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Old 06-09-2011, 02:13 AM   #43
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If this a reboot, FOX would just recast everyone! PERIOD!

They would include Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast and Angel if its really the 1st film of the X-Men reboot. They wouldn't include clips from X1 to X3 in the trailer if this is really a reboot.

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It should be a reboot. They can have more freedom if they don't have to take the past three movies into account.

I think they intended it to be a prequel just to see if it works, then work their way onward if it's a hit.

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So if they totally rebooted with the next instalment, how would that work with audiences, fanboys and critics?

What would happen to the existing X-Men members (Banshee, Beast, Havok) and the first Brotherhood (Magneto, Emma Frost, Angel, Azazel, Riptide)?

Can they just bring in the Original Five?

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I don't think FOX will ever be able to do a proper reboot of the X-Men since they need to keep putting out a film every 3 years or so to keep the rights. A significant cooling off period would be what the doctor ordered to really reboot it properly but given the rights situation, that ain't likely or even possible.

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I was completely against a reboot, but having been very disappointed by FC my mind has changed somewhat.

In all honesty, they should have never gone back after TLS and just made X4.

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I was completely against a reboot, but having been very disappointed by FC my mind has changed somewhat.

In all honesty, they should have never gone back after TLS and just made X4.
So you didn't like FC and you didn't like TLS, but you want want an X4? Or you think they should have just made X4 from what was shown in TLS or should have done TLS differently?

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Wow. It makes me sad to see so many fanboys here want to throw the X-men franchise under the reboot bus.

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I don't see why they would make a reboot . They can either make sequels to first class, the originals, or do spinoffs.

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