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Yes 56 35.67%
No 71 45.22%
He's tied with another villian(s) 30 19.11%
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Old 11-26-2011, 12:12 PM   #126
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I definitely think he's up there. People's first reactions to him were very similar to their first reactions to Hannibal Lecter; something very fresh and instantly chilling and memorable. I think part of the apathy towards The Joker in TDK comes from the fact that most of the members on this board have seen the movie well into the double digits, and we've grown very accustomed to the character, but think back to the first time you saw the film. I don't know about you but I was absolutely spell bound. Seeing the scene with Gambol for the first time was incredibly tense; as was the interregoation room scene: I got pure shivers down my spine when the Joker laughs hysterically as Batman beats him and declares "You have nothing, nothing to threaten me. Nothing to do with all your strength". Truly one of the best scenes or movie characters I have seen in years.

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Old 11-26-2011, 12:13 PM   #127
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:15 PM   #128
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I got pure shivers down my spine when the Joker laughs hysterically as Batman beats him and declares "You have nothing, nothing to threaten me. Nothing to do with all your strength". Truly one of the best scenes or movie characters I have seen in years.
Same as me. Probably the best Batman and Joker scene ever put into a film.

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Old 12-20-2011, 10:06 PM   #129
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I say Yes or at least tied with Darth Vader.

I think he tops Lecter and other great movie villains as universal pop icon.

Look at these...
Othello poster

Obama Joker

UEFA game


I'm from Turkey.No villain has become an such an icon in my country before

New president (Erdogan) as Joker, founder of modern Turkey (Ataturk) as Batman:


A scene from the most popular TV serial in Turkey



One of the famous & talented actor in Turkey on a cover as Joker


Crazy

Joker & Vader are probably most well known globally. And Joker has more depth than Vader, so my vote goes for Joker.


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Old 12-20-2011, 11:04 PM   #130
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No. Vader has far more depth. What are you talking about?

And I'm speaking strictly from the OT.

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Old 12-21-2011, 01:18 AM   #131
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I certainly think he's one of the best of all time simply because of how captivating and mesmerizing Heath's performance ended up being. While I do think he has depth as a character, I think Vader takes the number one spot because of the arc he goes through during the three original films.

Edit: Interesting thought to ponder, but would TDK Joker be as memorable if someone else had taken the role? Do we remember the character largely due to Heath's performance?

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Old 12-21-2011, 01:29 AM   #132
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Great question.


Yes he would. People go ape**** over Nolan. He can do no wrong apparently.

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Old 12-21-2011, 02:19 AM   #133
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It is all about Ledger's performance. I dont think Justin Beiber would have won an oscar. Maybe tom cruise might have floated your boat

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Old 12-21-2011, 02:46 AM   #134
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Tom Cruise is a ****ing badass. I'd like to see Heath Ledger scale huge buildings.

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Old 12-21-2011, 07:32 AM   #135
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I certainly think he's one of the best of all time simply because of how captivating and mesmerizing Heath's performance ended up being. While I do think he has depth as a character, I think Vader takes the number one spot because of the arc he goes through during the three original films.

Edit: Interesting thought to ponder, but would TDK Joker be as memorable if someone else had taken the role? Do we remember the character largely due to Heath's performance?
The character was very well written and the take on him was great. I think the Joker is nothing but a big chance for any actor. You can overact, be overtly funny, scary, dramatic and all those things actors love to do but directors won't let them because they are overdoing things.

I seem to remember Joker was a great character before Ledger. I think he can survive without him. But what Ledger did was of course memorable, no question about it.

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Old 12-21-2011, 08:08 AM   #136
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No. Vader has far more depth. What are you talking about?

And I'm speaking strictly from the OT.
Not really. Vader was quite ordinary villain outside of outfit.He is basicly fascist leader with father & son twist.His iconic image & one liners made him what he is.

TDK Joker has more depth imo.His opinions about society,anarchy makes him deeper character.He shows his depth through his actions and views about civilized people,madness,anarchy.It's arguable if he is nihilist or anarchist..mentaly ill or genious.

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Old 12-21-2011, 08:25 AM   #137
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I certainly think he's one of the best of all time simply because of how captivating and mesmerizing Heath's performance ended up being. While I do think he has depth as a character, I think Vader takes the number one spot because of the arc he goes through during the three original films.

Edit: Interesting thought to ponder, but would TDK Joker be as memorable if someone else had taken the role? Do we remember the character largely due to Heath's performance?
Yes..It would be still memorable. Ledger was amazing but script made Joker shine all over the movie.

He starts with "what doesn't kill you simply makes you stranger" and ends it with "madness is like gravity all it takes is a little push"

His stories on scars..Speech about society in interrogation scene..Speech about chaos in hospital scene...Speech on madness at the end...

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Not really. Vader was quite ordinary villain outside of outfit.He is basicly fascist leader with father & son twist.His iconic image & one liners made him what he is.

TDK Joker has more depth imo.His opinions about society,anarchy makes him deeper character.He shows his depth through his actions and views about civilized people,madness,anarchy.It's arguable if he is nihilist or anarchist..mentaly ill or genious.


Oh yes. Vader shines because he's visually stunning. Other than that he's pretty generic.

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Old 12-21-2011, 12:00 PM   #139
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Darth Vader is built on clichés, but the beauty of it is that it works so well. I think Vader has the better story, thanks to three movies to work with, of course.

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Darth Vader is built on clichés, but the beauty of it is that it works so well. I think Vader has the better story, thanks to three movies to work with, of course.
I don't think the more movies, the better story. Trying to sink a city into a chaotic way which neither heroes nor gangsters can understand is way better than the classic evil people wants to conquer and torture because evil is greedy and power thirsty.

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Joker then Vader either or.

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Old 12-21-2011, 11:57 PM   #142
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Good to see Tom Cruise floats your boat. That tallest building scene in MI-GP was the best i have seen this year

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Old 12-22-2011, 12:08 AM   #143
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Joker was great but not the best villain of all time.

Some less popular ones like Frank from Once Upon a Time in the West. Sargeant Barnes from Platoon. Nurse Ratchet from One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Amon Goth from Schindler's List.

He's in the top 10 for me.


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I don't think the more movies, the better story. Trying to sink a city into a chaotic way which neither heroes nor gangsters can understand is way better than the classic evil people wants to conquer and torture because evil is greedy and power thirsty.
I think the size of Vader's story is what makes it better than the Joker. It's the life and times of Anakin Skywalker. We see his present and hear about his past. His status, motives, and emotions change over the three movies before ultimately dieing a different man than when we first saw him.

The Joker is pure uncut Joker throughout the whole movie and it's great. I just think that since Vader's got a real tragic hero arc as opposed to the Joker's chaotic monkey wrench, he's got the better story.

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Old 12-22-2011, 02:55 PM   #145
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Easily in the elite echelon of MOVIE villains of all-time.

Easily as a character, the best Batman villain of all-time.

Easily as a character, the best comic book villain of all-time.

Easily the best Batman MOVIE villain (as written) of all-time.

Easily the best performance from an actor as a Batman MOVIE villain, of all-time.

Easily the best comic book movie villain, of all-time (by a QUITE a margin).

Does that answer the question?

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What did I say that was out of line, or outrageous?

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Easily in the elite echelon of MOVIE villains of all-time.

Easily as a character, the best Batman villain of all-time.

Easily as a character, the best comic book villain of all-time.

Easily the best Batman MOVIE villain (as written) of all-time.

Easily the best performance from an actor as a Batman MOVIE villain, of all-time.

Easily the best comic book movie villain, of all-time (by a QUITE a margin).

Does that answer the question?
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Everything.
Specifically, what is so out of order? Nothing was ridiculous in what I said.

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