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Old 06-30-2011, 08:52 PM   #101
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I'm pretty sure it's down to him having that boat movie out in 2013.

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IM2s problem was that they "Venom'd" in War Machine because fanboys wouldn't shut up about having the armor in the movie. It took away from the villains and the scripted which had to be rewritten to add him in. Rhodey becoming WM should've been saved for waaay future sequels of the reboot.

Hopefully Thor doesn't suffer from this and doesn't start adding Beta Ray Bill, Thunderstrike or some other clone in this upcoming sequel. Same with Cap, no US Agent for the sequel.
Oh, your hate for War Machine.

War Machine being in the movie wasn't a problem.

I definitely don't see US Angent being in a Captain America movie though.

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Old 06-30-2011, 08:58 PM   #103
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The only thing wrong with Iron Man 2 was in the fans that expected too much and in their own minds.

As for Thor 2, Kenneth Branagh did a great job but I think the man knows his limitations. The family angst and Shakespearian elements won't be in play in the sequel. It's be a straight up adventure film and that really isn't his strength. I'm glad he's contributing as a producer but him stepping aside shows what a class act he is and a man that knows his own limitations.
That's what I was thinking too. They should get a guy who can handle epic adventure elements with great action.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:00 PM   #104
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The only thing wrong with Iron Man 2 was in the fans that expected too much and in their own minds.

As for Thor 2, Kenneth Branagh did a great job but I think the man knows his limitations. The family angst and Shakespearian elements won't be in play in the sequel. It's be a straight up adventure film and that really isn't his strength. I'm glad he's contributing as a producer but him stepping aside shows what a class act he is and a man that knows his own limitations.
This is a good way to look at it.

Still a shame he won't be bringing his thing to it, he really nailed the acting. It was the strongest point of the movie to me, and I loved it. I have confidence though. For some reason while I am disappointed, I'm not all freaking out like I figured I'd be.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:02 PM   #105
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If they have a decent script at all that's half the battle right there. My feeling with Iron Man 2 is that they went to the well with improv too much.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:03 PM   #106
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The only thing wrong with Iron Man 2 was in the fans that expected too much and in their own minds.

As for Thor 2, Kenneth Branagh did a great job but I think the man knows his limitations. The family angst and Shakespearian elements won't be in play in the sequel. It's be a straight up adventure film and that really isn't his strength. I'm glad he's contributing as a producer but him stepping aside shows what a class act he is and a man that knows his own limitations.
Exactly. The fans expected Iron Man 2 to basically be an Oscar movie or as well loved as TDK. Instead we got a good movie that was picked apart at every minute detail and that slightly ruined it for some people. Nobody did these things for X-Men First Class or most other movies.

And I think that plays a role in Branagh only doing 1 Thor movie. The fans demand a much better movie than the first and have unreal expectations. I am sure Favreau dealt with the same thing. He made a good, solid, fun movie under a tight shooting schedule and people bashed minor details in return.

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^ I don't think people expected it to be like The Dark Knight or an Oscar movie.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:13 PM   #108
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OK, so how does one "take this" somewhere else? Just curious as I could go into specifically why certain things don't work in IM2 but I don't want to go all out on an unrelated board.

As for "Marvel's" explanation, that's pretty spot on, indeed a good way to look at the Thor 2 development. I do think though that there should still be that element of brother vs brother that Brannagh did a fine job on and perhaps his role as producer will keep those touches.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:13 PM   #109
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X2, Spidey 2, and TDK pretty much ingrained in fanboy's consciousness that the 2nd film of a superb 1st film is supposed to set the world on fire.

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^ I don't think people expected it to be like The Dark Knight or an Oscar movie.
I think they did. TDK was the movie that was compared with Iron Man 2 and I still think those are unrealistic expectations. There was never going to be that sort of drama in an Iron Man movie. Iron Man should have been compared to the likes of Spider-Man, X-Men, and other REAL superhero movies, not the police-drama that TDK ended up being. I personally thought IM2 was as good as the best superhero movies. The flaws that people point out in IM2 were ignored in say, Spider-Man 2. Anybody remember that hammy stretch of film in the middle of SM2?

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More or less just found out the news. It sucks, but at least he'll be on in some sort of capacity.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:21 PM   #112
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I think they did. TDK was the movie that was compared with Iron Man 2 and I still think those are unrealistic expectations. There was never going to be that sort of drama in an Iron Man movie. Iron Man should have been compared to the likes of Spider-Man, X-Men, and other REAL superhero movies, not the police-drama that TDK ended up being. I personally thought IM2 was as good as the best superhero movies. The flaws that people point out in IM2 were ignored in say, Spider-Man 2. Anybody remember that hammy stretch of film in the middle of SM2?
Iron Man is about global private one man cop/army and can be done like TDK but with a larger scope. They could go without any superhero aspect with Iron Man because it can be done in a pseudo-realistic, techno James Bond way

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X2, Spidey 2, and TDK pretty much ingrained in fanboy's consciousness that the 2nd film of a superb 1st film is supposed to set the world on fire.
I don't know why.

X-2 was good but people, especially on here, overrate that movie. It was better than X-1 but that's really not saying much. They are now doing the same thing with First Class. A movie that I liked, don't get me wrong, but it has flaws that were overlooked compared to Iron Man 2.

Spider-Man 2 was as good as the first in my opinion. Both were quality movies and I will never understand why people rate SM2 THAT much higher than SM1.

TDK was a more popular, well received movie than BB but was it really a better movie? Batman Begins may be the perfect Batman movie. The brilliance of Ledger's Joker has blinded people from that.

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The flaws that people point out in IM2 were ignored in say, Spider-Man 2. Anybody remember that hammy stretch of film in the middle of SM2?
I purposely never saw that movie

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Really curious about who will be chosen as the director.

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Iron Man is about global private one man cop/army and can be done like TDK but with a larger scope. They could go without any superhero aspect with Iron Man because it can be done in a pseudo-realistic, techno James Bond way
I don't think the movie could ever be like TDK, which was a crime drama. I see what you mean by Iron Man being a believeable real world character (compared to Thor, Green Lantern, etc.) though. Hopefully, Shane Black goes through with his 'Tom Clancy' IM3 plot

That's actually one of the things that bothered me about IM2. Show me Iron Man's victories around the globe in a montage, not newsclippings in Vanko's Moscow rathole workshop. That opening scene was awesome (great musical score there) but I would have liked a simultaneous Iron Man kicking ass montage.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:36 PM   #117
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i just dont see the point why we always have to compare one cbm to TDK, i watched it and i didnt even bother finishing it, it bored me and i found heath overacting sometimes, as if he is trying too hard (just my opinion), i found the subtlety in loki much better acting. maybe a part of this is because im not a batman fan at all

i think CBM can be considered good even classic if it doesnt take itself too seriously and should all be about fun and adventure, and good acting is definitely a bonus. x1, x2, SM and SM2, thor, and IM, I think all these are really good CBM's. I'm hoping CA and the avengers will be as good too.

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The ass-kicking montage, like the training montage, is a pretty tired device that I don't find especially compelling, but to each his own.

IM2 was a bit cluttered, by the War Machine subplot notably, but the main problem in my eyes was poor development of the two main antagonists, Hammer and Vanko.

With Thor 2 the trick will be raising the epicness level while maintaining and further developing the strong relationships established in the first film. Where the writers go with the Thor/Jane romance will be especially important, since it will be hard to tie that material in effectively with whatever the main new threat is. Probably her research on rainbow bridge technology with be integral to the plot somehow, so she is more than just a love interest, bystander or damsel in distress.


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My biggest concern re: Thor 2 (even though I want to see it happening) is that Marvel will repeat the mistakes they did with IM2, which was rushed into production without a good script and ended up tainted the goodwill set up the first movie, and perhaps indirectly resulted in the exit of Jon Favearu. Also, I think it is a risk to overexpose a character like Thor. The Avengers is an ensemble so the focus won't always be on Thor, but Thor 2 will be squarely on the shoulders on Thor again. And would Hemsworth get a fatigue playing the same character in three straight movies?

Marvel should've trusted their other properties and let their two of the four most valuable franchises get a rest for another year, and do movies based on Dr. Strange and other characters they have control of. That way, it can strengthen the roster of Avengers 2, and they won't appear as if they are thin on the roster.

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I don't think the movie could ever be like TDK, which was a crime drama. I see what you mean by Iron Man being a believeable real world character (compared to Thor, Green Lantern, etc.) though. Hopefully, Shane Black goes through with his 'Tom Clancy' IM3 plot
Yes it could never be a crime drama. Iron Man is a geo-political thriller, one filled with WMD, chem weapons, global expansion, economic maneuver, and United Nations conference. Mandarin is a very intelligent, powerful tyrant; I hope they set him up for what a global threat he is.

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My biggest concern re: Thor 2 (even though I want to see it happening) is that Marvel will repeat the mistakes they did with IM2, which was rushed into production without a good script and ended up tainted the goodwill set up the first movie, and perhaps indirectly resulted in the exit of Jon Favearu.
The difference though is that Feige said as soon as Thor came out that writer Don Payne was already coming up with story ideas. With IM2 it was a long means of getting Favreau back and agreeing to it months after release and the announcement, then tossing story ideas around, then later RDJ suggested Theroux to put the script together. So I'm thinking they learned from their missteps and want to get it assembled as soon as possible.

And it'll be interesting to see who the director is, since they better pick his or her ass very soon, if not now.

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Yes it could never be a crime drama. Iron Man is a geo-political thriller, one filled with WMD, chem weapons, global expansion, economic maneuver, and United Nations conference. Mandarin is a very intelligent, powerful tyrant; I hope they set him up for what a global threat he is.
I like Mandarin, but since China is so sensitive about films with Chinese villains, I just think it might have a tough time getting the permission to be released over there. And China is a big market for blockbusters right now.

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The difference though is that Feige said as soon as Thor came out that writer Don Payne was already coming up with story ideas. With IM2 it was a long means of getting Favreau back and agreeing to it months after release and the announcement, then tossing story ideas around, then later RDJ suggested Theroux to put the script together. So I'm thinking they learned from their missteps and want to get it assembled as soon as possible.

And it'll be interesting to see who the director is, since they better pick his or her ass very soon, if not now.
I hope the story about Thor's script for sequel being written already is true, because I don't think Marvel can afford to have another IM2. I don't want Marvel to gain a reputation of having weak sophomore efforts with their movies, like WB haven't a reputation of only doing Batman & Superman movies.

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Easy fix IMO would be to make The Mandarin's family a part of Chiang Kai-shek's Inner Circle.

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