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- When FC reaches $200M in the Foreign market 2 9.09%
- With the final worldwide gross 2 9.09%
- After DVD release, with the great sales 12 54.55%
- After The Wolverine release and first weeks gross 2 9.09%
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:02 PM   #76
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I couldn't disagree more. Although we saw Magneto and Xavier part ways, and Xavier become paralysed, this is one of the few comic book movies where I was left wanting to know where the story goes next.

What happens over those 30-40 years before the end of First Class and the start of X1? Clearly, something must have happened, Magneto wouldn't have gone into hiding for three or four decades (Did he set up Genosha?). Who will be recruited by Xavier and also by Magneto? Will we see Magneto's children? Does Moira return? What makes Beast go into politics? What becomes of Havok and Banshee, who are absent by the time of X1? What becomes of Emma, Riptide, Azazel and Angel, who are absent from the Brotherhood by the time of X1? At what point do Cyclops, Jean and Storm enter the picture? Do Magneto and Xavier have to work together again (perhaps building the new Cerebro, to help defeat an even greater threat)?

With prequels, you know how the story ends but this is one of the few where it left enough scope for more details to be filled in (while also wrapping up enough main plot points, just in case there isn't a sequel).

It's difficult to know how they will proceed. Singer's busy on Jack the Giant Killer and Matthew Vaughn has gone quiet, and the studio is saying nothing publicly and has made no decisions at this point (though they are definitely considering where the story might go next, as I found out).

If they do an X4/X5 (as well as, or instead of, a First Class sequel) it needs to be balls-to-the-wall epic. Ideally, I'd love to see Spielberg or Bay exec-producing this franchise to get the most bang for the buck. It's clear that - in this grim economic times - people want to see spectacle and the X-Men can deliver that.
I wouldn't want Bay remotely close to an X-Men film, though I wouldn't be against Spielberg producing and JJ Abrams directing X4.

His Star Trek worked on so many levels

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no still images either?

I thought there were some of them in the gallery thread....
If it is an officially released pic or from a trailer or something, it is okay...but unreleased still images are not.

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is there any unreleased photo online?

or are you meaning screencaps from the movie?

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I wouldn't want Bay remotely close to an X-Men film, though I wouldn't be against Spielberg producing and JJ Abrams directing X4.
Well, if he's on board as an exec producer, I would hope Bay would be just giving input on the spending of money in the most effective way. As long as he wasn't having any influence on story or dialogue, that would be fine! But he has a supremely confident grasp of action achieved without exorbitant budgets, and that's what I would like. Amazing spectacle without an overwhelming cost.

Abrams will be too busy with Star Trek to come near X4. Almost certainly they are hoping to get Singer to direct - the only issue is he doesn't spend budgets as efficiently as Bay/Spielberg, as SR and Valkyrie indicated.

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He means screencaps from the actual movie. That's what I had posted.

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I couldn't disagree more. Although we saw Magneto and Xavier part ways, and Xavier become paralysed, this is one of the few comic book movies where I was left wanting to know where the story goes next.

What happens over those 30-40 years before the end of First Class and the start of X1? Clearly, something must have happened, Magneto wouldn't have gone into hiding for three or four decades (Did he set up Genosha?). Who will be recruited by Xavier and also by Magneto? Will we see Magneto's children? Does Moira return? What makes Beast go into politics? What becomes of Havok and Banshee, who are absent by the time of X1? What becomes of Emma, Riptide, Azazel and Angel, who are absent from the Brotherhood by the time of X1? At what point do Cyclops, Jean and Storm enter the picture? Do Magneto and Xavier have to work together again (perhaps building the new Cerebro, to help defeat an even greater threat)?
We get the idea that they fought each other during that interim. I don't feel it needs to be shown, and we don't need to know what became of everyone. The peripheral characters were not the heart of the movie, Xavier, Mystique, Magneto, and Beast were and we saw what became of them. I also don't need to see when Scott and Jean came into the picutre. That is the prequel trap Star Wars fell into. Explain every minor detail, and they failed and offered nothing in the end. Here, we got 1 good prequel that did its job. I say leave it.

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With prequels, you know how the story ends but this is one of the few where it left enough scope for more details to be filled in (while also wrapping up enough main plot points, just in case there isn't a sequel).

It's difficult to know how they will proceed. Singer's busy on Jack the Giant Killer and Matthew Vaughn has gone quiet, and the studio is saying nothing publicly and has made no decisions at this point (though they are definitely considering where the story might go next, as I found out).

If they do an X4/X5 (as well as, or instead of, a First Class sequel) it needs to be balls-to-the-wall epic. Ideally, I'd love to see Spielberg or Bay exec-producing this franchise to get the most bang for the buck. It's clear that - in this grim economic times - people want to see spectacle and the X-Men can deliver that.
X4 and X5 can eb epic. They should try and build off the good buzz from FC and make something good. But, why would we need Speilberg or Bay Exec Producing? You don't need that. Just get a good script and bring Vaughn back.

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You could say the same about EVERY sequel ever produced in Hollywood dating back to Godfather Part II. "We don't need to see Michael's life as a Don, we already saw him become The Don, etc..."

The Magneto that we got in the trilogy was MILES below the man pictured above. McKellen is a fantastic actor, but the pathos and dread and pain that Fassbender brought to the character warrants further tales of his endeavours. *Everyone I've watched First Class had no idea who Fassbender was and loved him to death in the movie. I've been a fan since Hunger so I was happy to hear him receive mainstream praise
Fassbender was great. But, he did his job already. He showed us the man who becomes Magneto.


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Again, why would we rather see a story set decades after a film released 5 years ago than a movie which can open the year after Eric becomes Magneto, in which he kills JFK? Not to mention you throw in a third party (ala X2) like Sinister or Shadow King to make it juicier.
Because sequels can offer something new the prequels can't. Anymore prequel films will just be gap filler we don't need, while sequels can go unexpected places.

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I agree 100% that First Class did not find the audience it needed to for the studio to wanna turn it into a franchise of its own. But I also don't see the studio greenlighting an X4 that would cost more than Spider Man 3, even if Bryan Singer were to volunteer to direct.

At the end of the day this is all about safely churning out a profit. First Class 2 isn't a safe way to go, but neither is X4 IMO. That's why I don't see them backing down with Jackman's Japan film. The Jackman/Wolverine formula is their only safe bet for now.
But X4 has a higher profit potential, so the risk is more worth it.

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While X4 would probably find its audience through Jackman and potentially Singer, I don't see them greenlighting it for monetary reasons alone.
I do. Money talks in Hollywood, and X4 would have a larger audience and likely more spectacle.

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Well, if he's on board as an exec producer, I would hope Bay would be just giving input on the spending of money in the most effective way. As long as he wasn't having any influence on story or dialogue, that would be fine! But he has a supremely confident grasp of action achieved without exorbitant budgets, and that's what I would like. Amazing spectacle without an overwhelming cost.

Abrams will be too busy with Star Trek to come near X4. Almost certainly they are hoping to get Singer to direct - the only issue is he doesn't spend budgets as efficiently as Bay/Spielberg, as SR and Valkyrie indicated.
To be honest with you, if they did an X4 without Singer, I wouldn't throw myself off the roof.

He really hasn't impressed me since X2. I loved Apt Pupil and (obviously) The Usual Suspects. Hated Valkyrie and was completely dumbfounded by WHY he made Superman Returns into a sequel to Donner's movies. Just thinking about it now still bothers me.

Abrams would be available for X4 anyway since they wouldn't go into production, if they did, until 2013. Abrams is shooting Star Trek next year.

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If they do an X4/X5 (as well as, or instead of, a First Class sequel) it needs to be balls-to-the-wall epic. It's clear that - in this grim economic times - people want to see spectacle and the X-Men can deliver that.
definetly.

And the general audience hasnt seen all their potential yet.

Storm, Iceman, even Rogue, have the potential to give us the biggest action in movie history.

BUT........ the question is: do the studio and directors really want that?

Im afraid that the answer is not.

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No, that doesn't need a sequel. The film was about the journey of Xavier and Magneto becoming the men they become. We don't need to expand upon this. We know what happens now, they are rivals for years and clash in the modern times. We don't need a sequel to expand upon this. The interesting part of the story of Magneto and Xavier has just been told. I don't think a sequel adds anything. Now, an X4 might get that series back on track and continuing in a good manner.
The same could be said for X-Men 4, as revisiting characters that have already had 3 movies worth of story to tell isn't exactly a breath of fresh air. As shown in The Last Stand, Xavier and Magneto are still alive and well, and their viewpoints aren't going to change. Same story, different decade.

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Also, yes...it would cost less than X4 would. But, flipside is...less BO ceiling. FC, while successful, has made less than the other X-films (except for X1, but X1 would probably be higher if inflation was included).
Less box office ceiling is debatable, depending on who returns for X-Men 4. If Berry and Jackman don't return, the remaining cast isn't guaranteed to be a huge box office draw. If Berry and Jackman do return, and they command their large salaries, Fox better hope X-Men 4 banks. Also, including inflation, X-Men made more than every single superhero movie released this summer.

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I really think Second Class could end being the most grossing x-men movie to date.

At the same time, X4 could be it too.

But which could give Fox more money?

it depends on the budget of both.

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The same could be said for X-Men 4, as revisiting characters that have already had 3 movies worth of story to tell isn't exactly a breath of fresh air. As shown in The Last Stand, Xavier and Magneto are still alive and well, and their viewpoints aren't going to change. Same story, different decade.


Exactly. But I would much rather see a young (and arguably better) Fassbender waging war on humanity than the aging McKellen.

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The same could be said for X-Men 4, as revisiting characters that have already had 3 movies worth of story to tell isn't exactly a breath of fresh air. As shown in The Last Stand, Xavier and Magneto are still alive and well, and their viewpoints aren't going to change. Same story, different decade.
But that has the distinction of us not knowing what happens. Prequels fall into the trap of gap filler all to often. I would rather not see that.

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Less box office ceiling is debatable, depending on who returns for X-Men 4. If Berry and Jackman don't return, the remaining cast isn't guaranteed to be a huge box office draw. If Berry and Jackman do return, and they command their large salaries, Fox better hope X-Men 4 banks. Also, including inflation, X-Men made more than every single superhero movie released this summer.
No, it hasn't. Inflation for this year is not different for films released this year. 3D boost doesn't count in inflation. That's a matter of ticket sales. That's a different argument. Inflation means the value of the dollar is different, but while ticket prices for Thor may be higher, the cost to make Thor was on the same dollar as FC. Thus, this isn't a matter of inflation. It's 3D boost. I don't feel like looking up FC's tickets sales vs Thor's ticket sales right now. Argue the 3D boost, but Thor is more profitable. Cost around the same, made more money. Besides, Captain America has yet to be released.

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I'm talking about X-Men (2000) in relation to every superhero film released this year. You said X-Men would probably outrank First Class, when taking inflation into account. I'm saying X-Men definitely outranks First Class, when taking inflation into account. X-Men surpasses First Class, Green Lantern, and Thor easily.

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I don't want Michael Bay anywhere near the X-Men.Steven Spielberg will never go anywhere to a franchise he Isn't Involved In from begining.

If X4 happens It will probally be done by Bryan Singer.How returns with Hugh jackman would depend on how much the other actors ask for.And Magneto may not even be In X4.I fully expect X4 If It happens to be a vertation of the days of future past storyline.I can see sceniro where Hugh Jackman returns for X4 but Halle Berry doesn't.

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I'm talking about X-Men (2000) in relation to every superhero film released this year. When taking inflation into account, X-Men surpasses First Class, Green Lantern, and Thor easily.
I misread your point and thought you meant FC. My apologies. That is prob true, but that doesn't honestly mean much in relation to Thor and GL. Those are new properties. X-Men would mean more for FC, given it is the same franchise and there is a point of comparison with FC. Thor and GL, being new, had none.

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The same could be said for X-Men 4, as revisiting characters that have already had 3 movies worth of story to tell isn't exactly a breath of fresh air. As shown in The Last Stand, Xavier and Magneto are still alive and well, and their viewpoints aren't going to change. Same story, different decade.
Which is exactly why I don't want any sequels or prequels anymore. The story has been told. There's not much to add to the franchise.

While movies like X2, X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine all had the benefit of actually adding to the universe (for good or bad), I think we've reached a point now where the only thing future sequels and prequels are going to do is contradict what's already been done.

There still might be plenty of stories from the comics to tell, but not everything needs to be adapted into a movie. I really think it's time to move on from the X-Men movies. That won't happen, and instead we're gonna continue to get movies made, while the studio brings in directors and writers who don't want to be beholden to the movies that came before them, and all we're gonna get is a cluster**** of continuity errors, or contrived plot points to undo certain aspects of certain movies, and all for what? To continue telling stories in a universe that essentially has been wrapped up.

I'm not saying future X-Men movies can't and won't be good, I'm just saying there's really nowhere left to go that's of any significance.

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The main reason for the x-men franchise to continue is to make the audience and fans enjoy it one more time.

To enjoy the characters
To enjoy their powers
to enjoy the plot
to enjoy the action
to enjoy everything from each sequel.

I think thats more than enough to continue it with more great sequels.

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I'm a bit confused on the whole B.O. numbers like for example let's look at Green Lantern which is not doing the numbers WB was hoping in the U.S. but all of a sudden let's say it makes a gazillion billion overseas does that make the movie a success even if it failed in the states?

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Which is exactly why I don't want any sequels or prequels anymore. The story has been told. There's not much to add to the franchise.

While movies like X2, X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine all had the benefit of actually adding to the universe (for good or bad), I think we've reached a point now where the only thing future sequels and prequels are going to do is contradict what's already been done.
Wolverine didn't add anything to the universe. It just embellished stuff we already knew thanks to X2. And turned many people off of the franchise (like myself).

At least FC let us SEE the Erik/Charles relationship so we could better appreciate it in the future. It also gave Mystique a backstory and explained how the school came to be. In my mind it also made Magneto way more sympathetic than the villain he is in the other movies.

I know a lot of people go into these movies as comic fans (if I had a nickel for every time I read a post by some fanboy b****ing about how FC failed to use the original X-Men and NEEEEEDS to correct this in a sequel, I'd be rich). My connection to X-Men lies solely in being a casual watcher of the 90s cartoon as a kid. So to me, Magneto was a troubled villain. I wasn't interested and certainly didn't agree with his POV. Now that I know where he's coming from, I'm actually more on HIS side. It made me see the old movies in a whole new light.

Wolverine just made me want to claw my eyes out. It's because of THAT movie that I resisted seeing FC for a long time.

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I approach the X-Men films as a major comic fan.I have huge collection of X-men comes In boxes In my closet and under my bed.Now due to the reign Of Joe Q as marvel Editor In Chief I finally quit collecting new comics In 2005.But that Is another subject.So I know the X-Men very well.That Is why I said on different thread the comics were going on for years before they ever
did First Class.

We have had out of 5 films 3 really good ones(X-Men,X2,First Class) so why not keep going.

And as I keep saying on these boards too many are willing to bash X-Men on changes from comics but are too willing to let others off the hook.Marvel Studios makes changes too but people Ignore them largely.

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Wolverine didn't add anything to the universe. It just embellished stuff we already knew thanks to X2. And turned many people off of the franchise (like myself).

At least FC let us SEE the Erik/Charles relationship so we could better appreciate it in the future. It also gave Mystique a backstory and explained how the school came to be. In my mind it also made Magneto way more sympathetic than the villain he is in the other movies.

I know a lot of people go into these movies as comic fans (if I had a nickel for every time I read a post by some fanboy b****ing about how FC failed to use the original X-Men and NEEEEEDS to correct this in a sequel, I'd be rich). My connection to X-Men lies solely in being a casual watcher of the 90s cartoon as a kid. So to me, Magneto was a troubled villain. I wasn't interested and certainly didn't agree with his POV. Now that I know where he's coming from, I'm actually more on HIS side. It made me see the old movies in a whole new light.

Wolverine just made me want to claw my eyes out. It's because of THAT movie that I resisted seeing FC for a long time.
Wolverine added plenty to the universe. Logan's past was very much a mystery after X-Men and X-Men 2. Why he did it, why Stryker did it to him, the work they did together and how Logan "volunteered". All of it was very much in question, and the movie addressed it.

There was no mystery surrounding Magneto and Xavier. Their relationship and their views have been clear as day since the first movie, and First Class didn't give us any new information that wasnt already covered. The character arc they gave Mystique wasnt really necessary because it was something that was never even so much as hinted towards in the trilogy. It was something completely random that really only effects this movie and doesn't even have a comic book precedence.

I think this film was better than Wolverine, and that's coming from someone who loves that movie. But people seem to be confusing their overall like of the movie with what it actually adds to the series, and im sorry but as far as im concerned First Class adds the least to the series.

It seemed more of a collection of X-Men moments and fan service than a really needed chapter to the X-Men movie universe that adds something to the overall picture.

Im sorry that you hated Wolverine so much that you had to claw your eyes out. Outside of the interwebs, I haven't met anyone who feels that way about the movie. I know a couple people who were disappointed, mostly people who cant get past Deadpool, but mostly the reaction I've seen has been positive. I've had plenty of people tell me Wolverine was their favorite movie yet, so I have a hard time believing it had such a horrible box office impact like people here want to believe.

I believe its more of a case of the X-Men movies running its course, and future movies not having much left to offer the series, and people seeing this franchise now of just overextending itself.

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Wolverine added plenty to the universe. Logan's past was very much a mystery after X-Men and X-Men 2. Why he did it, why Stryker did it to him, the work they did together and how Logan "volunteered". All of it was very much in question, and the movie addressed it.

There was no mystery surrounding Magneto and Xavier. Their relationship and their views have been clear as day since the first movie, and First Class didn't give us any new information that wasnt already covered. The character arc they gave Mystique wasnt really necessary because it was something that was never even so much as hinted towards in the trilogy. It was something completely random that really only effects this movie and doesn't even have a comic book precedence.

I think this film was better than Wolverine, and that's coming from someone who loves that movie. But people seem to be confusing their overall like of the movie with what it actually adds to the series, and im sorry but as far as im concerned First Class adds the least to the series.

It seemed more of a collection of X-Men moments and fan service than a really needed chapter to the X-Men movie universe that adds something to the overall picture.

Im sorry that you hated Wolverine so much that you had to claw your eyes out. Outside of the interwebs, I haven't met anyone who feels that way about the movie. I know a couple people who were disappointed, mostly people who cant get past Deadpool, but mostly the reaction I've seen has been positive. I've had plenty of people tell me Wolverine was their favorite movie yet, so I have a hard time believing it had such a horrible box office impact like people here want to believe.

I believe its more of a case of the X-Men movies running its course, and future movies not having much left to offer the series, and people seeing this franchise now of just overextending itself.
Ah, you are right about some of Wolverine's mystery. I'd forgotten about Stryker telling him they had worked together and I remember being curious enough about it when I first saw X2. But not enough for yet another Wolverine-centric movie. I love Hugh Jackman and all but seriously, so done with that character.

I can't believe you haven't met people who hated Wolverine. I've never met a single person who liked it. The majority of people I know who have been putting off watching FC have cited the movie or the combination of it and The Last Stand as the number one reason for not going.

I also think you miss the point about what's relevant to people. People watch X-Men movies because they like the powers and the characters. I don't think many people beyond the fanboys (who probably avoid movies that--heaven forbid!!--go against comic canon) care about whether or not the story has been told through exposition before, as long as it's done well. I'm not so sure the "need" for expansion is what drives movies to be made, X-Men or otherwise.

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I've actually had people call me up because they know how much I love X-Men and the movies specifically to tell me they saw Wolverine and thought it was their favorite one yet. Anymore, whenever I tell people how big an X-Men fan I am, their first response is "oh I loved the Wolverine movie!"

I have met a couple people who couldn't get past Deadpool being changed. And one friend dislikes X-Men so greatly and I think partially goes on about how bad it is just to get a rise out of me. But I have not had nearly the negative responses from X-Men 3 and Wolverine. Most people I know who may even be unhappy with certain creative choices still think they are good movies beyond that.

As far as whether or not if it adds something is important or not, you may be right. But certainly audiences will tire of the same thing over and over again? And that's essentially what First Class is, the 4th movie of Xavier and Magneto conflicting in ideology. The difference is, that conflict already came to a climax and a resolution in X-Men 3 (no matter how unsatisfactory some fans may have found it, it happened), and First Class is basically just rehashing an idea and concept that already had an entire trilogy built around it.

Perhaps if the franchise went in a new direction, it would help, but unfortunately anyway to continue the franchise beyond X-Men 3 would require either not using key characters such as Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Xavier, or needlessly convoluting the series with horrid plot points to bring them back.

That's why I say the only purpose these movies serve now is to just contradict the ones that came before it, and quite frankly id just rather see no new movies at all if that's all that's gonna happen.

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