Black Cat in The Amazing Spider-Man 2??

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Lol...for Spider-Man 2, we'd be getting as much of Felicia Hardy as we would've gotten Black Cat, but Felicia would've been the "other girl" and now that we have Gwen, Sony or Raimi or both or whoever wanted to use Felicia a different way and that's where Felicia Toomes came about. She wasn't going to be another girl for Peter to fall for or anything.

Ok. Did he not want to use Black Cat?

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Raimi already said okay to using the symbiote and Venom anyways, so it would've been much better to spread the story out to two films.

True, if he really didn't want to, then he could have chosen to leave the director's chair.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

To each his own. I myself wouldn't care what color, but a dark blue would have been just as fine.

To each his own.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

That is very weird if that drawing was for Spider-Man 2 and it looking exactly like Anne, lol.

Here's the link to the picture on conceptual artist James Carson's website in the Spider-Man 2 gallery.

Putting them side-to-side here, I do see a resemblance. I have also heard people say that it looks like Ashley Judd, for whatever reason.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

And yes, it is ironic that Hathaway is playing Catwoman, and under Nolan, imo, I bet Hathaway would appreciate this way more than being in what would've been a film that could be compared to Batman & Robin(Spider-Man 4).

Indeed. The strangest part to me is that when both Sam Raimi and Christopher Nolan had to cast a cat-motifed femme fatale, they both ultimately chose Anne Hathaway. Great minds think alike?

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

Ok. Did he not want to use Black Cat?

I never saw any indication that Raimi would use Felicia as Black Cat in Spider-Man 4...

http://www.movieline.com/2009/12/exc...y.php?page=all

If negotiations proceed according to plan, Malkovich will be playing Spider-Man’s nemesis the Vulture, who packs a punch despite his advanced age. The Vulture is able to fly through the air and brandish his sharp wings to attack Spider-Man.

As for Hathaway, that’s where things get tricky.

The 27-year-old actress is currently the top choice for Felicia Hardy, who’d been long-rumored as one of the new characters in this installment. (Other names bandied about for the role included Julia Stiles, Rachel McAdams, and Romola Garai.) However, unlike in the comic books, this Felicia Hardy doesn’t transform into the Black Cat. Instead, Raimi’s Felicia will become a brand-new superpowered figure called the Vulturess.

And then sometime after this broke out, there were rumors going around that secretly, Felicia Hardy will be Felicia Toomes, the daughter of Adrian Toomes who would be Vulturess only after Spider-Man killed Vulture.

Nothing about Felicia being Black Cat and obviously nothing of what Raimi was going to do back in the Spider-Man 2 days when the name Black Cat was tossed into the mix.

True, if he really didn't want to, then he could have chosen to leave the director's chair.

If he hated the idea so much, he should've walked, and that's why I talk about Raimi because he didn't seem like he had any balls until Sony finally was screwing with him for S-M 4. If he agreed to work in the symbiote and Venom, he should've spread that massive story into two installments.

Here's the link to the picture on conceptual artist James Carson's website in the Spider-Man 2 gallery.

Putting them side-to-side here, I do see a resemblance. I have also heard people say that it looks like Ashley Judd, for whatever reason.

Indeed. The strangest part to me is that when both Sam Raimi and Christopher Nolan had to cast a cat-motifed femme fatale, they both ultimately chose Anne Hathaway. Great minds think alike?

I wouldn't really compare Raimi to Nolan, lol, as that's like apples and oranges, and also, Anne wasn't going to be a cat-like character for S-M 4, so I wouldn't say Hathaway was going into both auditions with the same mindset.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

I never saw any indication that Raimi would use Felicia as Black Cat in Spider-Man 4...

http://www.movieline.com/2009/12/exc...y.php?page=all

Hm. It justs seems weird to me. Why even use Felicia Hardy at all if you're not going to use Black Cat in the movie?

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

And then sometime after this broke out, there were rumors going around that secretly, Felicia Hardy will be Felicia Toomes, the daughter of Adrian Toomes who would be Vulturess only after Spider-Man killed Vulture.

Nothing about Felicia being Black Cat and obviously nothing of what Raimi was going to do back in the Spider-Man 2 days when the name Black Cat was tossed into the mix.

I still don't like the idea. Was he concerned that Black Cat would be seen as too similar to Catwoman or something? Why use Felicia Hardy but replace her secret identity?

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

If he hated the idea so much, he should've walked, and that's why I talk about Raimi because he didn't seem like he had any balls until Sony finally was screwing with him for S-M 4. If he agreed to work in the symbiote and Venom, he should've spread that massive story into two installments.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

I wouldn't really compare Raimi to Nolan, lol, as that's like apples and oranges, and also, Anne wasn't going to be a cat-like character for S-M 4, so I wouldn't say Hathaway was going into both auditions with the same mindset.

True. Still, Felicia Hardy is often accused of being a knock-off of Selina Kyle so for Anne Hathaway to go from being the top choice for Felicia Hardy for Sam Raimi to playing Selina Kyle for Christopher Nolan is an amusing coincidence.

[psylockolussus]

Anne Hathaway would be perfect

But she is already Catwoman, she can't be Black Cat.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

Hm. It justs seems weird to me. Why even use Felicia Hardy at all if you're not going to use Black Cat in the movie?

I still don't like the idea. Was he concerned that Black Cat would be seen as too similar to Catwoman or something? Why use Felicia Hardy but replace her secret identity?

I don't know what to tell ya, haha. I have no idea why the Vulturess idea was even brought up.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

Anne Hathaway would be perfect

But she is already Catwoman, she can't be Black Cat.

Which role do you think she is better suited for, Catwoman or Black Cat?

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

I don't know what to tell ya, haha. I have no idea why the Vulturess idea was even brought up.

Same here.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

Which role do you think she is better suited for, Catwoman or Black Cat?

Black Cat because Black Cat looks more friendly and approachable than Catwoman and Anne Hathaway seems like a sweetheart.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

Black Cat because Black Cat looks more friendly and approachable than Catwoman and Anne Hathaway seems like a sweetheart.

I'm not so sure, Anne Hathaway has a very wide acting range. I'm awaiting seeing her performance as Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises.

[Red Mask]

Too bad they can't explore a Black Cat solo film. Given Raimi's love for Hitchcock, I'd like to have seen him do a solo story that's part murder mystery (with Mysterio as the villain) and part caper.

[Venom'sDad]

Originally Posted by IronMan

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Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJbLb2y5X6I
Jennifer Lawrence as Black Cat??
It's just a suggestion

What do you think??

Would love to see Black Cat on film done somewhat differently on film; but, I'm not sure I want her ^, in that role.

[Red Mask]

I'd prefer Amanda Heard for the role.

[DACrowe]

I have always liked the character of BC. When written well, I think she's a better character than Catwoman in all honesty.

However, Catwoman will be fresh in moviegoers' minds after TDKR.

Besides, more importantly we already have Gwen and we need MJ to play a big role soon for The Death of Gwen Stacy storyline to be properly adapted. Two love interests is enough. BC may just have to wait around until the next reboot.

Sad, but true.

[Jake Cassidy]

Originally Posted by Red Mask

I'd prefer Amanda Heard for the role.

Amber Heard. I agree.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by Red Mask

I'd prefer Amanda Heard for the role.

Why would you say that she would make a great Black Cat?

Originally Posted by DACrowe

I have always liked the character of BC. When written well, I think she's a better character than Catwoman in all honesty.

Any particular reason that you say that Black Cat is a better character than Catwoman? And in which stories would you say she is written best?

Originally Posted by DACrowe

However, Catwoman will be fresh in moviegoers' minds after TDKR.

Besides, more importantly we already have Gwen and we need MJ to play a big role soon for The Death of Gwen Stacy storyline to be properly adapted. Two love interests is enough. BC may just have to wait around until the next reboot.

Sad, but true.

Unfortunately.

[Red Mask]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

Why would you say that she would make a great Black Cat?

She's beautiful as a natural blonde. She can act well enough for a young woman of action.

[SpideyScott]

Eh i guess i can see it happening, I'd like to see alot of love tension, black cat, gwen, mary jane, liz allan.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by SpideyScott

Eh i guess i can see it happening, I'd like to see alot of love tension, black cat, gwen, mary jane, liz allan.

If done right, that could be very interesting.

[Hypestyle]

how about laura vandervoort.. dye her hair platinum blonde..

[Red Mask]

Originally Posted by Hypestyle

how about laura vandervoort.. dye her hair platinum blonde..

Should Felica be platinum blonde? Wearing that kind of mask doesn't seem to hide much. Maybe she should wear a platinum blonde wig to match her costume's fur, but have sandy blonde hair in real life.

[MaryJaneOrDie]

I think Black Cat could easily be done well. I've always thought she would be perfect for a second film in a series. The first film would have the deaths of uncle ben and gwen stacy, the second film could have peter taking his "great responsibility" too far, meeting Black Cat and becoming romantically involved with her. she doesn't need to be a side kick, she could easily be used as the character archetype of the temptress. spider-man thinks he cant love and most devote all of his time to spider-man, and she (being a viligante of sorts as well), would seem like a reasonable romantic partner. her allure makes him happy, but only draws him away from his life as peter parker.

I always thought the jackal or electro would make for a good primary villain in a black cat story. The Jackal, because he if the gwen stacy death follow up is played up like i said, he could serve as an origin for black cat, as well as an emotional mirror to spider-man.

electro i think would work because he's visually appealing and a classic villain, but he's not the brightest or deepest character. this makes allows for a good amount of development and attention to go to both characters, without making the story too complex or unbelievable.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by MaryJaneOrDie

I think Black Cat could easily be done well. I've always thought she would be perfect for a second film in a series. The first film would have the deaths of uncle ben and gwen stacy, the second film could have peter taking his "great responsibility" too far, meeting Black Cat and becoming romantically involved with her. she doesn't need to be a side kick, she could easily be used as the character archetype of the temptress. spider-man thinks he cant love and most devote all of his time to spider-man, and she (being a viligante of sorts as well), would seem like a reasonable romantic partner. her allure makes him happy, but only draws him away from his life as peter parker.

I always thought the jackal or electro would make for a good primary villain in a black cat story. The Jackal, because he if the gwen stacy death follow up is played up like i said, he could serve as an origin for black cat, as well as an emotional mirror to spider-man.

electro i think would work because he's visually appealing and a classic villain, but he's not the brightest or deepest character. this makes allows for a good amount of development and attention to go to both characters, without making the story too complex or unbelievable.

That might be interesting.

[Red Mask]

Originally Posted by MaryJaneOrDie

I think Black Cat could easily be done well. I've always thought she would be perfect for a second film in a series. The first film would have the deaths of uncle ben and gwen stacy, the second film could have peter taking his "great responsibility" too far, meeting Black Cat and becoming romantically involved with her. she doesn't need to be a side kick, she could easily be used as the character archetype of the temptress. spider-man thinks he cant love and most devote all of his time to spider-man, and she (being a viligante of sorts as well), would seem like a reasonable romantic partner. her allure makes him happy, but only draws him away from his life as peter parker.

I always thought the jackal or electro would make for a good primary villain in a black cat story. The Jackal, because he if the gwen stacy death follow up is played up like i said, he could serve as an origin for black cat, as well as an emotional mirror to spider-man.

electro i think would work because he's visually appealing and a classic villain, but he's not the brightest or deepest character. this makes allows for a good amount of development and attention to go to both characters, without making the story too complex or unbelievable.

I'd like to have a solo story that just mentions Spidey in the background. I like the concept of a crook who later becomes a hero. It's more convincing for her character than Gambit's because the details are less ambiguous. When we see her she's already a thief. We later learn she became cynical and jaded after her father was arrested while she was finishing high school. She visits him but doesn't tell him what she's doing. She doesn't wear her full iconic costume as the style later develops.

Then one night she witnesses a bizarre murder that drives Felicia to find out the truth, putting her in the murderer's crosshairs. The main villains would be the Chameleon and Mysterio.

[MaryJaneOrDie]

Originally Posted by Red Mask

I'd like to have a solo story that just mentions Spidey in the background. I like the concept of a crook who later becomes a hero. It's more convincing for her character than Gambit's because the details are less ambiguous. When we see her she's already a thief. We later learn she became cynical and jaded after her father was arrested while she was finishing high school. She visits him but doesn't tell him what she's doing. She doesn't wear her full iconic costume as the style later develops.

Then one night she witnesses a bizarre murder that drives Felicia to find out the truth, putting her in the murderer's crosshairs. The main villains would be the Chameleon and Mysterio.

why Chameleon and Mysterio? Im just curious. hahaha

also i think if they use black cat in a spider-man movie, they should definitely use electro as the villain. Peter has always been unsure of himself and black cat completes him as an icon of confidence, (dispute donning the costume of the black cat due to insecurity about being date raped). Electro, with his inferior complex that prevents him from being one of the most powerful supervillains in the marvel universe, would fit perfectly for a story that has a general theme of insecurity. if you put harry in there trying to live up to the man he thought his father was! haha im sorry im getting WAY too into this.

[Red Mask]

Originally Posted by MaryJaneOrDie

why Chameleon and Mysterio? Im just curious. hahaha

I don't want a Spidey villain that requires too many scenes out in the streets. If that were to happen of course that would attract Spider-Man's attention. I'd prefer this be a solo story happening around the Spider-Man saga. I don't mind if we see newstands with the Daily Bugle or a cameo of Captain Stacy.

I also think when she's pursuing the murderer (whether it be the Chameleon or Mysterio) they should encounter each other mostly in enclosed spaces. It cuts down on the need for on-location shooting. Shooting in New York is expensive. No disrespect to the city but a movie like this would not get a big studio budget. Also we don't need to see Black Cat try to copy Spider-Man or Daredevil's in swinging. With the exception of a car chase I want the fights to be mostly indoor.

I imagined this film to be closer to a mystery film because Felicia is not supposed to know who these villains are by name. So when she pursues the murderer she's doing her best to stay in the shadows.

also i think if they use black cat in a spider-man movie, they should definitely use electro as the villain. Peter has always been unsure of himself and black cat completes him as an icon of confidence, (dispute donning the costume of the black cat due to insecurity about being date raped). Electro, with his inferior complex that prevents him from being one of the most powerful supervillains in the marvel universe, would fit perfectly for a story that has a general theme of insecurity. if you put harry in there trying to live up to the man he thought his father was! haha im sorry im getting WAY too into this.

Electro would be a great movie villain. These rogues have a greater advantage over Batman's rogues because they're supposed to have these abnormal abilities. But I chose the Chameleon and Mysterio for a Black Cat movie because I didn't want any excuse to explain her early bad luck powers and later feral transformation. Oh god, that would immediately bring comparisons to the Halle Berry Catwoman.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by Red Mask

I'd like to have a solo story that just mentions Spidey in the background. I like the concept of a crook who later becomes a hero. It's more convincing for her character than Gambit's because the details are less ambiguous. When we see her she's already a thief. We later learn she became cynical and jaded after her father was arrested while she was finishing high school. She visits him but doesn't tell him what she's doing. She doesn't wear her full iconic costume as the style later develops.

Then one night she witnesses a bizarre murder that drives Felicia to find out the truth, putting her in the murderer's crosshairs. The main villains would be the Chameleon and Mysterio.

This sounds like it definitely has potential.