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Old 07-24-2011, 04:57 PM   #51
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It looks like a painting because it is one. Or, at least, it's not a picture of a real suit.
Which is exactly the same problem as when something that looks terrific in comics doesn't work that good on the screen.

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Which is exactly the same problem as when something that looks terrific in comics doesn't work that good on the screen.
If your point is that they may not be able to make the suit look like that in person, then....

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I just hope the material used is not too restricting like the SR suit's was.
If he is just delivering dialogue, and the suit only needs to look good then if it is a little restrictive it really doesn't matter a whole lot. Now if he has to throw a punch or fight, this can be handled in how it is staged and filmed. Show him throwing a punch from a rear three quarter angle, shot from the opposite side of the arm doing the punching, and you'll see his forearm, but won't notice the slit (Or a different stretchy material sewn in) under the armpit of that arm allowing him greater range of motion.

Not sure if I explained that well enough to make much sense, but little tricks like this will be necessary to make the costume look good at all times. There will be likely be many specialty costumes, rather than scores of identical costumes.

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it's IMPOSSIBLE to get see the type of muscle definition that comics convey through any suit unless it's done GL style, which i'm sure everyone is against, but you CAN get good muscle definition through the suit without anything fancy...

But you need a hard lighting source like cloudless daylight or overhead stage lighting with no diffusion. Might not be appropriate for every scene with Superman.

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...crappy lighting, crappy color for the suit...but you can still see some decent muscle definition. regardless, they're gonna have professional lighting and filmography for this movie so it's not like they can't find a way to get the best out of whatever suit they end up choosing.

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...crappy lighting, crappy color for the suit...but you can still see some decent muscle definition. regardless, they're gonna have professional lighting and filmography for this movie so it's not like they can't find a way to get the best out of whatever suit they end up choosing.
Oh you could still see some of it, no doubt. But again, Cavill ill have to be MAJORLY jacked up for it to show. And..uh...yeah, they'll use professionals...and the same issues still apply. It's why bodybuilders get tanned and oiled up for competitions and have hard overhead lighting to accentuate definition. Basically, I think it would be fine if we clearly saw it in certain hard-lit scenes, and we;d just know it's there even in scenes that aren't lit that way.

But then, is it really that vital that we see that degree of definition through the suit? If he's built up well enough and the design is cut right, we may not have to. We'll be able to clearly see that he's muscular and fit without ever having to be able to count his ab muscles or separation in the lats, or see the veins running down his arm. The fact that we didn't see such razor definition on Reeve in STM didn't hurt his overall presence as Superman. He was tall and well-built with broad shoulders, etc.

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i don't necessarily disagree with anything you replied with, but for once i'd like to see a movie where the hard physically labor that the actor put into preparing for the role shows through the suit. NONE of the previous actors before have been able to feature their physical prowess through their suits. Bale had a rubber suit for BB, Hemsworth had armor, and Evans has fatigues with some armor. Superman is the first and only hero that would allow the actor's muscles to really show through the suit and i'd like for them to take that opportunity and run with it.

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I honestly don't care if I can see all of Cavill's muscle definition through the suit.

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i don't necessarily disagree with anything you replied with, but for once i'd like to see a movie where the hard physically labor that the actor put into preparing for the role shows through the suit. NONE of the previous actors before have been able to feature their physical prowess through their suits. Bale had a rubber suit for BB, Hemsworth had armor, and Evans has fatigues with some armor. Superman is the first and only hero that would allow the actor's muscles to really show through the suit and i'd like for them to take that opportunity and run with it.
I think the rippling muscularity that shows through tight fabric like its was painted on is a hallmark of comics, but not all that necessary in live-action film to show how well-built and fit someone is. The fact that the suit is tight and thin should show a good build in the chest, arms and shoulders...and I think the overall design/cut of it will help compliment such a build. From there, whatever extra definition we can observe is a bonus, but not a necessity or a deal-breaker, per se.

Plus...I don't necessarily want to see how many hours an actor spent in the gym, or what supplements he took, etc.. I want to believe that that the character has a naturally big and muscular build for what he is.

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again...don't necessarily disagree. it's just my wish to see actually see his physique through his suit. seeing something like my manip would make me elated.

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Again..I wouldn't mind it either. But I won't be dissapointed if we don't.

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I think the rippling muscularity that shows through tight fabric like its was painted on is a hallmark of comics, but not all that necessary in live-action film to show how well-built and fit someone is. The fact that the suit is tight and thin should show a good build in the chest, arms and shoulders...and I think the overall design/cut of it will help compliment such a build. From there, whatever extra definition we can observe is a bonus, but not a necessity or a deal-breaker, per se.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

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this is a winner...suit should look like this. Cavill says the suit looks amazing though...so I can't wait to see it

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I'm sorry but if it's a choice between a suit that is no better than the Chris Reeve suit or Superman being in ****ing armor, I don't care how out of date it looks. It can be the George Reeves TV show suit or even the lame Dean Cain suit as long as it isn't armor.

There's a lot about the DC reboot that I like, but Superman in armor is a no-go.

I can hear the interview now: Q: "Why is Superman in armor?" A: "Because he needs it now." Q:"Then he's not that super anymore, is he?"

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People try to say that fans who have a problem with Superman wearing armor in the film want Cavill to look like a jakked up roid monkey. If the only way to see muscle definition with the costume on is to add armor, then I'd rather Superman show no definition.

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The suit is probably going to have a muscle suit underneath to hide the flying rigs. I'm pretty sure about that.

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Me either.

As long as he looks bulky and not lanky, I'll be happy.

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Well according to a interview that Cavill had done while attending Comic Con, he has seen the suit for the film and has labeled it fantastic.

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Well according to a interview that Cavill had done while attending Comic Con, he has seen the suit for the film and has labeled it fantastic.
His idea of fantastic might be different than alot of other people's though.

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Who wants to wager that the Cavill's will not look 100% like the classic?

And I'm not the bad guy for not wanting it to be the classic, because I do. Its just if it aint, I'm not going to cry about it because my expectations were built up, then start waging a war against WB. I'm a man of peace and tolerance

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same here I'm not going to allow a lame suit to ruin the movie for me

did it was returns did it with watchmen up until the end when he f'n blew it and im gonna do it with this one if the suit sucks

I wanna see some frigging awesome DBZ style battles with zod or supes smashing through buildings and getting punched and flung a mile and a dumb suit is not going to stop me from watching supes kick major ass

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Oh you could still see some of it, no doubt. But again, Cavill ill have to be MAJORLY jacked up for it to show. And..uh...yeah, they'll use professionals...and the same issues still apply. It's why bodybuilders get tanned and oiled up for competitions and have hard overhead lighting to accentuate definition. Basically, I think it would be fine if we clearly saw it in certain hard-lit scenes, and we;d just know it's there even in scenes that aren't lit that way.

But then, is it really that vital that we see that degree of definition through the suit? If he's built up well enough and the design is cut right, we may not have to. We'll be able to clearly see that he's muscular and fit without ever having to be able to count his ab muscles or separation in the lats, or see the veins running down his arm. The fact that we didn't see such razor definition on Reeve in STM didn't hurt his overall presence as Superman. He was tall and well-built with broad shoulders, etc.
Exactly... I didn't have to see all Supe's muscles when I was a young lady to think he was completely awesome. Even to this day I think he's the best Superman we've ever seen on film.
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I'm sorry but if it's a choice between a suit that is no better than the Chris Reeve suit or Superman being in ****ing armor, I don't care how out of date it looks. It can be the George Reeves TV show suit or even the lame Dean Cain suit as long as it isn't armor.

There's a lot about the DC reboot that I like, but Superman in armor is a no-go.

I can hear the interview now: Q: "Why is Superman in armor?" A: "Because he needs it now." Q:"Then he's not that super anymore, is he?"

F that.
I agree with you 100%
It just makes absolutely NO sense for it to be armor.

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His idea of fantastic might be different than alot of other people's though.
Yeah, I'm just wishing for more of a classic look.

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If your point is that they may not be able to make the suit look like that in person, then....

Well, duh.
Yeah, we're stuck in the same problem: how to make that suit look good. No plastic yellow belt.

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Exactly... I didn't have to see all Supe's muscles when I was a young lady to think he was completely awesome. Even to this day I think he's the best Superman we've ever seen on film.

It just makes absolutely NO sense for it to be armor.



Yeah, I'm just wishing for more of a classic look.
Agreed. You don't need a shot of him in the suit to know "This man IS Superman!".

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