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Old 08-28-2011, 11:51 AM   #101
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season 3, episode titled "Knight Time". The overall episode was kinda weak, but there were moments of greatness, especially when "batman" goes up against his rogues' gallery. let's just say supes kicks bane's @$$.
Hmmm best check my bank balance then. I feel some dvd shopping is in order.

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Old 08-28-2011, 11:56 AM   #102
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I haven't seen a phone booth in ages let alone a pay phone.

He has super-speed so I wouldn't mind him changing in different ways. Sometimes he could wear it under his clothes when he's expecting something to happen or he could stash it wherever.

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:29 PM   #103
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no they should upgrade EVERYTHING. and i dont want to see homage being paid in this movie either. I need an overhaul. complete overhaul. NO MAGIC that can not be explained scientifically. the clothes disappearing and suddenly he has his superman costume in place is corny. no phone booth cause we have cell phones now and the average phone booth has no box any more. i dont know how they will explain the cape or the disguise with glasses as that has always not made sense. hopefully nolan's practical mentality will lend something creative to that department and maybe use the comic book's recent updates in the past few years of the slight hypnosis power he has

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:30 PM   #104
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I would love it if zod discovers ck is superman and using heat vision burns his clothes off him revealing the superman suit.

"so son of jor'el you reveal yourself."
but where would the cape come from?

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:36 PM   #105
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but where would the cape come from?
I always assumed it was rolled up around his waist.

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:39 PM   #106
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I always assumed it was rolled up around his waist.
lol...seems tedious. technically i dont think a cape would be necessary. it'd be kinda cool if they dropped it altogether. id love to see that take

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:57 PM   #107
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but where would the cape come from?
From Sears, of course.

Seriously though, does he really need to have his entire costume underneath his clothing?

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Seriously though, does he really need to have his entire costume underneath his clothing?
If anyone else has x-ray vision he'd be screwed. lol

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Old 08-28-2011, 01:20 PM   #109
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I think that the shirt rip can be done. That doesn't mean they have to show him slipping out of the costume entirely. The shirt rip can be added and next time we (the audience) see him, he is in costume. No need to explain that. You (the audience) can just make up in their mind whatever they want to believe.

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Old 03-30-2012, 03:51 AM   #110
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I posted in this thread a while back about nanotech being a great way to have the suit change in MOS and thus make it believable that Clark can actually walk about with the suit tucked away somewhere, so to speak.

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If we're going with a new Superman approach - and something slightly more believable, like Nolan's Batman films - then nanotechnology is the only way to go. I just can't see today's audience accepting the old phonebooth costume change, not with the kinds of crowds we have on the street nowadays 24/7. It's fine doing a superspeed change, but someone will see him entering or leaving. And if he does that at superspeed, then what's the point of going into the phone booth?

I'd like a film where Kal El basically puts on a Kryptonian uniform of some kind as he starts out in his role as Superman. And the entire uniform is generated by nanotechnology. It can switch almost instantly from it's default look to his Clark Kent suit/shirt/tie - and again to the Superman costume.

No need to wear clothes over the suit, no need to carry it with him, and no far fetched explanation needed for where he hides the boots and cape. The suit is on him at all times - but he can change how it looks whenever he needs to.

A lot of the comics had the Fortress not as an ice palace like Donner's, but a futuristic building populated by robot servants who monitored Superman's vital signs, etc. I always thought a nano-suit was the perfect way to implement this, it can be used to monitor him while he wears it and even enhance his absorption of solar power. Perhaps it even has enhancements which make it easier for him to engage in deep space travel, etc.

Let's not forget, Superman comes from an advanced alien civilisation. Even referring to the Donner universe, they had enough power to accomplish deep space travel and use a single crystal to build a fortress structure. I don't think it's a huge stretch of the imagination to assume that nanotechnology would have been part of their science, given that we humans are already aware of nanotechnology and researching it - and we're way, way behind Kryptonian technology.
It seems DC has now actually gone down this route with the new Superman comics - see below from Superman #7.

I wonder if this method is going to be used in MOS?


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I wouldn't be against it. It would be pretty cool actually.

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Old 03-30-2012, 04:11 AM   #112
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We have to remember he has access to advanced technology. A plain old suit change no longer seems that impressive lol.

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Old 03-30-2012, 04:16 AM   #113
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Why does it have to be impressive?

Surely of all the things in a Superman film that need to be impressive, how he changes his clothes is the last thing they should focus on.

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Old 03-30-2012, 04:20 AM   #114
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You can't say it's not important though - at least the first time. It's a bit like seeing Banner transform into Hulk - people always wonder what it's going to be like on screen with a new cast, new director, new approach.

If the transformation didn't matter, would we really have numerous discussions on here about it from so many people? And would there be so much love for the iconic shirt rip from previous Superman incarnations?

Of course the storyline and the like are bigger concerns, but this section is for discussing all aspects of the film.

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Old 03-30-2012, 04:42 AM   #115
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You can't say it's not important though - at least the first time. It's a bit like seeing Banner transform into Hulk - people always wonder what it's going to be like on screen with a new cast, new director, new approach.

If the transformation didn't matter, would we really have numerous discussions on here about it from so many people? And would there be so much love for the iconic shirt rip from previous Superman incarnations?

Of course the storyline and the like are bigger concerns, but this section is for discussing all aspects of the film.
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a shirt rip. I want a shirt rip.

I'm saying that his suit change doesn't have to be technologically impressive.

It can just be the shirt under his clothes, like it always has been, and they can focus on other aspects being 'impressive'.

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Old 03-30-2012, 04:57 AM   #116
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Somehow I doubt that the costume will simply be under his clothes this time around. Since the design of Krypton and the suits was made with ´´function and purpose`` in mind and given the ´´modern`` approach and Snyder talking about making Superman relevant all the time, the audience will not buy that he has that huge raised S-shield and a big cape under his shirt.
However, even if they go with some sort of technological way of changing into the suit, there can still be a shirt-rip. He can have a suit in a belt or a buckle or whatever that he can activate and in the heat of the moment he can rip his shirt even though he doesn't have to. Just throwing ideas around. Come to think of it, since the costume designer said it all has function and purpose, perhaps those lines from his buckle and around his waist are a part of the technology of the suit...

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No more shirt rips. I still worn out from the ones in Spider-man. I think it should be similar to this, yet it shouldn't a digital looking transformation. I'd like to see something creative.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:09 AM   #118
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No more shirt rips. I still worn out from the ones in Spider-man.
If done properly there is no shirt rip more impressive than a CK shirt rip. It's just a very iconic and powerful moment and the fact that they ripped it off Spider-man doesn't mean it's worn out. Of course, it won't be the end of the world if there is no shirt rip and if the movie is great I probably wouldn't even think of it if it weren't present but with Zack Snyder at the helm I'd be kind of disappointed if there wasn't one such moment. As I said, no matter how the suit transformation will function, I believe a shirt rip can be done. In Snyder I trust...kind of.

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The shirt rip is an iconic moment for Superman. It's symbolism. It's like Batman standing on a gargoyle with the Bat signal in the night sky above him. Something which Nolan's films haven't had yet which is part of the reason why i dislike those movies. It's like they are trying to move away from those iconic things because they are not "practical" or "realistic".

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Well Kryptonian nanotech could be a "practical" or "realistic" way to do the iconic shirt rip.

Plus, it gives me an excuse to gawk at a shirtless Cavill.

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If done properly there is no shirt rip more impressive than a CK shirt rip. It's just a very iconic and powerful moment and the fact that they ripped it off Spider-man doesn't mean it's worn out. Of course, it won't be the end of the world if there is no shirt rip and if the movie is great I probably wouldn't even think of it if it weren't present but with Zack Snyder at the helm I'd be kind of disappointed if there wasn't one such moment. As I said, no matter how the suit transformation will function, I believe a shirt rip can be done. In Snyder I trust...kind of.
If he ripped off the entire shirt in one move and the suit formed onto his body, that would be amazing...no, that would be the Ultimate Shirt Rip .

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Well Kryptonian nanotech could be a "practical" or "realistic" way to do the iconic shirt rip.

Plus, it gives me an excuse to gawk at a shirtless Cavill.
Now you may have converted me

I dunno, I don't think I mind how it's achieved, but I'd really be gutted with no shirt rip whatsoever.

Especially because I think Cavill would OWN a shirt rip. A proper manly shirt rip. I mean, he'd make it look so hot...

I may be in a different place than some people on that though

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Well Kryptonian nanotech could be a "practical" or "realistic" way to do the iconic shirt rip.
I liked what they did with Superman #7 of the New 52 but I don't quite get how it works. Does he just will the suit to expand by thought? Cause if this is the case if he's knocked out wouldn't he end up naked?

I won't mind if they go the New 52 route with the suit aslong as they explain it.

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Oh yeah it may need an explanation or suspension of disbelief. But I actually would prefer pseudo-scientific explanation on how it would work.

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The shirt rip is classic, and definitely needs to be at least homaged. I want to see an "action shirt rip".

Kent ripping the shirt off and his clothes blowing off to reveal the Supersuit as he flies up a stairwell and bursts into the Metropolis skies...something like that.

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