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Old 08-25-2011, 11:13 AM   #76
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You can have a beginning, middle and end, then have a set up for the next movie. That should be obvious.
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"this better be more than a stand-alone movie.......

I think WB is counting on that, too. "


If they were doing this as a standalone film, I dont think it would have had an origin. It probably wouldnt be a reboot as such either.
Of course, they're eyeing sequels.

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"this better be more than a stand-alone movie.......

I think WB is counting on that, too. "

If they were doing this as a standalone film, I dont think it would have had an origin. It probably wouldnt be a reboot as such either.
Of course, they're eyeing sequels.
I guess stand-alone was a poor choice of words on my part. Sorry guys.

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Curious Jamie, I've heard that Showtime and maybe you also had some info on earlier drafts of the MOS script. Supposedly, earlier versions had Lex in the script... do you know if the version they're using still have him in it?

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"this better be more than a stand-alone movie.......

I think WB is counting on that, too. "


If they were doing this as a standalone film, I dont think it would have had an origin. It probably wouldnt be a reboot as such either.
Of course, they're eyeing sequels.
Or perhaps they just got lazy like with SR.

"Why don't we just blend Superman II in with Smallville?"

"What do you mean?"

"Instead of a really cool movie, we'll just set it all in Smallville, stick Zod and that Ursa chick from SMII in it, and hire a ginger actress for Lois Lane and a black man for Perry White...damn these drugs are good. Bryan Singer used them when he was making that poor half-assed sequel wannabe"

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I think the whole "saving Lex for a sequel but pulling a Joker card" thing is pretty dumb. I mean, okay... Superman, has just bested not one, put probably THREE super-powered badasses in the first film (Zod, Ursa and whoever mo-cap man turns out to be). And then in the sequel he's supposed to be threatened by an evil businessman? Look, I know Goldman Sachs is capable of destroying the world 50 times over, but seriously, that's going to feel kind of underwhelming.

That's why I feel Lex should have a presence throughout out this movie, and any movies they release. Behind the scenes, pulling the strings, etc. If they try to make him the full-out central villain in the second one after only mildly alluding to him in the first one, I think that will be a misstep. Plus, it also means we might have yet another film where they shy away from Superman's other comic book villains.
To me, Lex Luthor, especially as a corrupt businessman, may be an even better villain than the 3 Kryptonians. Lex Luthor provides the opportunity for Superman to battle a social force, instead of just alien overlords.

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Not everything needs sequel setups, you know. It's actually a good thing to make a self-contained movie that serves a story with a beginning, middle and end.
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Curious Jamie, I've heard that Showtime and maybe you also had some info on earlier drafts of the MOS script. Supposedly, earlier versions had Lex in the script... do you know if the version they're using still have him in it?
Some of the stuff that's gotten out (set picture wise) is gelling with what we heard the story was. That contained Luthor yes, but it's a smaller role and could be easily either re-written into a different character or completely jettisoned.

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my guess is that luthor has been secretly cast and will film his scene as some supposed reshoots.

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my guess is that luthor has been secretly cast and will film his scene as some supposed reshoots.
That's along the lines of what I think too.

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If luthor is in the film. I just hope he is behind the scenes. Kind of like moriarty. A ****ing genious mastermind who only shows his hand when superman arrives. I would also love it if luthor uses superman in some way to complete his plan.

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I hope Luther is in the movie and its RICH businessman Lex. He's manipulating the public and he's not a major menace until the end, then it hints to the future sequel, like how they set up Joker in Batman begins.

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Multimillionaire businessman Lex has always been my favourite. To me, manipulating public opinion against Superman, grand schemes, etc. have been the best and most believable ways he's fought against Supes. Not a fan of mad scientist, let's fight Supes with the gadget of the week type stories.

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Yeah, filming is well under way and Lex still hasn't been cast. I think it is time to accept that he will not be in the movie.

My guess is he will be a post-credit cameo or an end of the film mention (kind of like Moriarty in Sherlock Holmes). This is a mistake, IMO. Lex isn't just a villain who can wait til the second film (like Joker in the Nolan-verse). Lex is an important supporting character to Superman. It is like doing Holmes film without Watson or leaving Snape out of an adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.

Fanboys ***** that he has been overused on film and I agree, as the main villain he has been overused. But he is still a MAJOR supporting character in the SUperman lore (rivaled only by Lois). He is Superman's Earth-based counterpoint. Omitting him is unforgivable, IMO.
Disagree completely. He's no more a necessary part of a movie than Norman Osborne is to Spider-Man. Certainly he's Superman's archrival, and an often used supporting cast member, but so is the Joker. Joker is as much a piece to Batman psychologically as he is a main villain. Lex isn't necessary to Superman's origin, his life in Smallville (as he is abscent from many of those stories) or even many of his battles as Superman. Lex doesn't need to be a part of a Darkseid, Mongul, Bizzaro, Brainiac or Toyman story for example. Those characters all stand on their own from time to time. If the function of a movie is to provide a story worthy of an hour and a half of my time there is no reason why every one of those Superman movies needs to include Lex. Most, yes, most Superman movies should probably include Lex, not every one does. I think the fact that many seem to think of Lex the way you said is why Superman's rogue's gallery is largely ignored.

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Some of the stuff that's gotten out (set picture wise) is gelling with what we heard the story was. That contained Luthor yes, but it's a smaller role and could be easily either re-written into a different character or completely jettisoned.

My guess? He's in the finished product.
Is there any way you could fill us in on what was in the early drafts? I'm curious as to Lex having a "smaller" role, specifically.

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I want a hybrid of scientist and corporate overseer. STAS did it well by sometimes having crazy giant robots or other criminals attempting to deal with Supes with him being behind it the whole time. He knows physically he can't beat him (unless they go with the suit at some point) but he can play the blame game with him by having the public see the damage he's causing and doing more harm than good.

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Best of both worlds. The old and relaunch.

Lex should be a businessman with strong ties to the goverment, and has an unhealthy obsession with aliens in general (when Supes and Zod show up). More of a keen scientific mind, rather than business. Could find and use alien technology for the sequel.

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Some of the stuff that's gotten out (set picture wise) is gelling with what we heard the story was. That contained Luthor yes, but it's a smaller role and could be easily either re-written into a different character or completely jettisoned.

My guess? He's in the finished product.
Very cool, thanks. Can you give us any tidbits on what version of Lex was in the script? Businessman? Mad scientist? Bit of both? If not, no problem... just curious.

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I want a hybrid of scientist and corporate overseer. STAS did it well by sometimes having crazy giant robots or other criminals attempting to deal with Supes with him being behind it the whole time. He knows physically he can't beat him (unless they go with the suit at some point) but he can play the blame game with him by having the public see the damage he's causing and doing more harm than good.
I like that idea.

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I really hope lex is in it. Lex and supes could have a tense and classic scene if they play it right. I just love that rivalry

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I still wait for the day when I see Superman floating outside Lex luthors window with glowing red eyes as Lex stares back with a look of hatred, on the big screen.

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I always like to think of Lex as a corrupt, evil Steve Jobs. Yes, he should be a business tycoon, but there's nothing stopping him from being an inventor too.

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I always like to think of Lex as a corrupt, evil Steve Jobs. Yes, he should be a business tycoon, but there's nothing stopping him from being an inventor too.
Kind of going off what you said, I imagine Lex Luthor being an evil Tony Stark.

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I don't see why he can't be a number of those. His genius made him lonely, bitter, and egotistical. But because he's a genius, he has an advanced understanding of science and can invent things. His inventions leads to a profitable business. Then, the exposure and popularity of his business leads to political interests.

It's actually quite realistic, like a twisted Ben Franklin.

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Kind of going off what you said, I imagine Lex Luthor being an evil Tony Stark.
YES. That would be perfect!

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