The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 2

[THANOSRULES]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Several thousand years old. It's unclear because of the Ragnarok cycles, but we know they existed in their current incarnation at least 1000 years ago because that's when Odin and the heads of Earth's other major pantheons made a deal with the Celestials' Third Host to leave Earth alone for another 1000 years.

werent they around for the creation of midgard, ergo the dawn of earth?

[Anubis]

Of course not, that would mean Odin actually created Midgard, when all he did was bang it.

[THANOSRULES]

so Odin is the son of bor and a frost giant...which means Asgardians were around many ages prior.

Odin claims to create humans, Odin lives for many milennia before wedding and having his son Thor.

So if Odin did create humans in the marvel U, then he is a probably around 200k

[Anubis]

Or he's a liar.

[The Question]

Originally Posted by THANOSRULES

werent they around for the creation of midgard, ergo the dawn of earth?

Yes and no. Ragnarok, the foretold end of the world on Norse mythology, has in the MU happened several times, each time resulting in the Norse gods being reborn and living their lives all over again. By random chance and outside influence, each incarnation ends up being slightly different (that's why Thor has red hair in Norse mythology and blond hair in Marvel, the version of him that existed when the myths were written down did have red hair), but overall it's pretty much the same loop repeating itself over and over. Loki has turned evil killed Baldur, and betrayed Asgard in the final battle several times. Thor has taken up Mjolnir do defend Asgard and Earth only to be slain fighting Loki's son Jormangandr several times. It wasn't until Thor became aware of the cycle and actively broke it by being the one to destroy Asgard instead of Surtr the fire king who did it every other time that the cycle broke. Afterwards the gods were reborn again because, cycle or no, they're still metaphysically bound to Earth and humanity, and are now capable of leading their own lives and deciding their own destinies.

So, by yes I mean that Asgard has probably existed in some form for at least ten thousand years, probably much longer. By no I mean that, as far as Thor's concerned, he's only been around for about 2,000 of those years.

[The Question]

Originally Posted by THANOSRULES

so Odin is the son of bor and a frost giant...which means Asgardians were around many ages prior.

Odin claims to create humans, Odin lives for many milennia before wedding and having his son Thor.

So if Odin did create humans in the marvel U, then he is a probably around 200k

Odds are, what it is is that Odin is metaphysically bound to whatever force created humanity in the MU, but so is Zeus over on Olympus and Ra in Heliopolis.

[JewishHobbit]

Originally Posted by Havok83

lol...Im guessing you dont read New Mutants. She was their second assignment in Regenesis. She'd become a solo hero to try and redeem herself for the things she did when used by Selene. The NM help her out and invite her to join the team. She ends up declining, instead choosing to join the Westchester branch of the X-men. She hasnt shown up in any of Wolverine's books yet, but she's supposedly there

I was getting a little annoyed that she hadn't showed up in any of the X-Men books yet but I did notice that she's on the cover to the next New Mutants issue so maybe she turned back around.

[Anubis]

Do you guys think Vision's got a MP3 app?

[IronGirl299]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Do you guys think Vision's got a MP3 app?

I think he's got a freakin' stereo amp.

Can comics be purchased using an iTunes card in the Marvel Comics App?

[javi1024]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel Hawkeye's new costume looks uninspired and downright dull?

[Anubis]

It's just you.

The consensus is that it's atrocious.

[runawayboulder]

For the movie it's reasonable. For the comics it's a terrible idea.

[javi1024]

The least they could've done was give him some kind of head gear, googles or something. I saw posters with Jeremy Renner wearing shades like in the comic....so gross.

[CConn]

Yeah, for the movie, it's fine.

For a comic...I think it'd be okay if it had his traditional mask. Right now it just looks so "realistic" that he doesn't really fit in with any of the other, gaudily dressed heroes.

[Panthro]

Why does Jeph Loeb suck so much?

[CConn]

Because his son died.

[Manic]

As insensitive as that may sound, it's sadly true.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally Posted by THANOSRULES

so Odin is the son of bor and a frost giant...which means Asgardians were around many ages prior.

Odin claims to create humans, Odin lives for many milennia before wedding and having his son Thor.

So if Odin did create humans in the marvel U, then he is a probably around 200k

Originally Posted by Anubis

Or he's a liar.

Originally Posted by The Question

Odds are, what it is is that Odin is metaphysically bound to whatever force created humanity in the MU, but so is Zeus over on Olympus and Ra in Heliopolis.

The implication in several comics is that the gods are a race of beings born of two things: an energy field inherent in all planets, which gives them life and power, and the beliefs of the more mundane forms of life on that planet, which gives them form and structure. So Odin believes he created Earth from the flesh of Ymir and that he made Ask and Embla as the first humans and so on, but Zeus believes he created Earth according to the Greek myths, the Japanese pantheon believes they created Earth according to their myths, etc. Rather, I should say they believed it, past-tense, because the pantheons have since met each other and the Skyfathers, at least, are smart enough to figure out that their conflicting views can't coexist.

That's not to say that everything you've read in the myths applies to Marvel's versions of the gods, by the way. The in-story explanation for that is that man's beliefs formed the gods out of that energy field, but then the gods attained independent existence and life. They're not beholden to mortals' beliefs for their existence anymore. So after that belief-wrought incident of creation, the gods became their own beings and interacted with man, which man remembered and passed on, usually orally. As everyone knows, oral storytelling is an utterly horrendous form of transmission for stories if you want to retain any accuracy whatsoever, so by the time writing developed and man started recording those old myths about the gods, which may or may not have come down from direct observation or may have just been skalds' and bards' and troubadours' embellishments, there were a ton of misconceptions and inaccuracies.

A good example of this that the comics actually tackled is Thor's description as a bearded redhead in many myths. In Marvel's version, Thor has been a blonde-haired, usually clean-shaven god for at least the last couple thousand years (i.e. the present, final Ragnarok cycle). The discrepancy is due to the thousands of years of misinterpretation between the gods' creation based on man's beliefs and man's development of writing. Facts got twisted around so much that Thor himself tells a mortal he shouldn't believe everything he's read about Thor. The Warriors Three also joke about Thor matching the mortals' stories toward the end of Simonson's run when Thor is shaving the beard he'd grown off.

[Sundancer]

So what's the deal with Red Hulk?

Does he change back and forth to Ross?

What is he called by other characters?

Is he a good guy or a bad guy?

[javi1024]

Originally Posted by Manic

As insensitive as that may sound, it's sadly true.

I have a hard time giving him any flack because that very reason, no matter how much I don't like his recent work. Do you ever think that now it's like he's writing FOR his son? Like these are the kinds of things his son thought of, or his son wanted to read? It could explain how his new stuff is so different from his Long Halloween/ Daredevil Yellow days.

[Anubis]

I don't think so, his son was a pretty damn good writer. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have liked most of what he's written.

[Manic]

I think it's just a matter of Loeb falling into a really bad funk after his son died (which is forgivable, because whose work wouldn't suffer after that?), but he's never pulled himself out of it.

It's like how Chris Claremont wrote some of the best X-Men stories of all time, stopped for about a decade, came back a little rusty, and simply never got his groove back.

[runawayboulder]

I was just reading some stuff about abandoned and rejected Claremont storylines. Some stuff about the Shadow King story that originally ended with the Muir Island Saga was supposed to run all the way up to Uncanny #300 and Jean and Logan hooking up.

What I found funny about the Claremont thing in 91 is that he quit because Bob Harras continued to give Jim Lee and While Portacio a ton of creative input and they nixed a lot of Claremont's ideas. It led to both Claremont and Louise Simonson quitting the franchise. Less than a year later, Image Comics was formed and Harras looked like a fool.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally Posted by Sundancer

So what's the deal with Red Hulk?

Does he change back and forth to Ross?

What is he called by other characters?

Is he a good guy or a bad guy?

His comic's pretty good now, thanks to Jeff Parker.

He does transform back and forth between Ross and Rulk, but he can't do it in public because the world believes Ross to be a dead hero and Rulk to be a villain in something like the Thunderbolts' situation, working for the good guys to atone for past sins. Revealing both are the same guy would create too many problems.

He's currently called "Ross" by people who know he's Ross and "Red Hulk" or just "Hulk" by various others. There doesn't seem to be much confusion over his status as a different dude with the same name as the green Hulk.

He's been a good guy in his own mind all along. All the stuff he did early on was done because he was still obsessed with taking Banner down. He ultimately realizes that that's turned him into a worse monster than Banner ever was, though, and he willingly surrenders to Banner and Captain America. Cap then offers him a chance to redeem himself by working with the Avengers and running independent missions for him and Banner.

Lately, he's been working with Annie, a Life Model Decoy whom he seems to be developing feelings for, and Machine Man. He's also just recently started reconnecting with his daughter Betty, who's got her own issues as Red She-Hulk.

[THANOSRULES]

Ross seems like he should be the one of the oldest guys in marvel U