State your opinion on a Spidey villain - Page 13

JJJ's Ulcer · 12-03-2011, 04:04 AM

Oh Jackal... what to say about you.

I have a real love/hate relationship with this character (as I think most Spidey fans probably do). On the one hand he created some of my favorite characters like Ben Reilly and Kaine (and you could even argue Punisher from an indirect POV since his first appearance was working for the Jackal).

On the other hand, in the 1970's he was pretty much a Green Goblin clone after Norman died (they needed someone who was green, insane, knew Pete's ID and was someone he knew on a personal level (before every villain was connected on a personal level) and had an obsession with Gwen).

And his 90's incarnation... wow. It epitomized everything wrong about the clone saga. The endless Spidey/Gwen clones, the stupidest world-domination plan I've ever heard ("let's replace everyone with clones!") in Maximum Clonage and the worst jokes ever uttered by a character in comics.

And now his current continuity is almost as confusing (but not quite) as Mysterio's. We don't know if the current one is really Miles, if the 90's one was really Miles, if he's alive, if he's dead, etc.

So... I'm glad for the other characters Jackal brings to the table, but not so much for the character himself. Perhaps that answer was a bit convoluted.

Spider-Aziz · 12-03-2011, 04:54 AM

No argument about him making the Punisher, that's pretty accurate

I love how he looked at Carlie and responded to Captain America: "She's no Gwen Stacy, I won't clone her if you paid me to"

Spider-Aziz · 12-03-2011, 09:40 AM

He faced the Hulk, Iron Man, Doc Samson, and others, but still more fun as a punching bag for Spider-Man

The Rhino

Anubis · 12-03-2011, 09:44 AM

Love that big dumb lug.

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-03-2011, 10:31 AM

Rhino is a great villain, IMO. Always has been and always will be.

Themanofbat · 12-03-2011, 11:16 AM

I love the rhino, even though he's a one trick pony... and in ASM # 625... a Rhino story, I had my first ever letter printed in a Spidey comic...

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-03-2011, 11:26 AM

That's awesome. Sadly, none of mine have been printed yet, but maybe they will some day.

JJJ's Ulcer · 12-03-2011, 11:33 AM

The Rhino...

The best thing the Rhino did was be Harry's patsy during his early 90's Green Goblin stint when he went after Peter Parker.

Spidey beat him up and Rhino pleaded that he was only doing it for his family. So Spidey asked him "What about Peter Parker's family?" and beat him up some more. Pure awesomeness.

SpideyInATree · 12-03-2011, 11:35 AM

The Rhino is kind of a one trick pony but I really liked what they did with him during the Gauntlet arc in BND. They really added a new element to the character and gave even more reason for him to be mad at Spider-Man.

From what I've seen he'll be popping up again in the Spidey book so I'm looking forward to that.

runawayboulder · 12-03-2011, 11:54 AM

I love Rhino. I'd like to see him as a hero for a little while as a change of pace. His appearance in Silver Surfer during the Infinity Gauntlet crossover was one of his best stories. He did semi-heroic stuff there and it showed there's some potential for him as far as that goes.

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-03-2011, 12:01 PM

^^ Yeah, that could work at some point. Though, I wouldn't want him to stay that way.

Spider-Aziz · 12-03-2011, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJ's Ulcer

The Rhino...

The best thing the Rhino did was be Harry's patsy during his early 90's Green Goblin stint when he went after Peter Parker.

Spidey beat him up and Rhino pleaded that he was only doing it for his family. So Spidey asked him "What about Peter Parker's family?" and beat him up some more. Pure awesomeness.

Just why I chose an image from Spectacular Spider-Man 190
Very misleading cover

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-03-2011, 12:29 PM

^^ Sal Buscema's art is amazing though.

Spider-Aziz · 12-03-2011, 12:32 PM

I like how this pose and sketch were adapted in Edge of Time when Anti-Venom was holding Spidey in his grasp

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-03-2011, 12:49 PM

Sal Buscema's Spectacular Spider-Man runs is one of my favorites.

SpideyInATree · 12-03-2011, 10:30 PM

Heck yeah, I loved that Spectacular run by Buscema. I have most of those issues too and now it makes me want to dig through them. Of course, Spectacular Spider-Man # 200 was..well, Spectacular.

runawayboulder · 12-04-2011, 12:14 AM

Towards the end of his run the art became a little unbearable. I put most of the blame on the inker, Bill Sienkiewicz. I don't know why the editors thought that combo worked well on Spider-Man because it didn't. Then again, these were the same editors during the Clone Saga and a lot of common sense constantly went out the friggin window.

Spider-Aziz · 12-04-2011, 12:17 AM

I thought his run near the end got better than what we had after the Sin Eater Death for a while, wrinkles were all just thick lines, it was annoying to look at even with his great art

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-04-2011, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpideyInATree

Heck yeah, I loved that Spectacular run by Buscema. I have most of those issues too and now it makes me want to dig through them. Of course, Spectacular Spider-Man # 200 was..well, Spectacular.

Agreed!

Brain Damage · 12-04-2011, 07:57 AM

Rhino is terrific. His first appearances are such great stories - and they're the ones that lead us to the big Mary Jane reveal, so they're classic just for that.

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-04-2011, 08:29 AM

Indeed.

Spider-Aziz · 12-04-2011, 08:38 AM

Are you guys in for a treat today on this special double feature

The Terrible Two: Walrus & White Rabbit

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-04-2011, 08:46 AM

oh god, these two, lol.

Spider-Aziz · 12-04-2011, 08:47 AM

Just that? Nothing more to say good sir?

Spider-ManHero12 · 12-04-2011, 08:48 AM

Not much to say, lol.

12-03-2011, 04:04 AM	#301
JJJ's Ulcer Old, cigar chompin' grump Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The pit of J Jonah Jameson's stomach. Posts: 6,203	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Oh Jackal... what to say about you. I have a real love/hate relationship with this character (as I think most Spidey fans probably do). On the one hand he created some of my favorite characters like Ben Reilly and Kaine (and you could even argue Punisher from an indirect POV since his first appearance was working for the Jackal). On the other hand, in the 1970's he was pretty much a Green Goblin clone after Norman died (they needed someone who was green, insane, knew Pete's ID and was someone he knew on a personal level (before every villain was connected on a personal level) and had an obsession with Gwen). And his 90's incarnation... wow. It epitomized everything wrong about the clone saga. The endless Spidey/Gwen clones, the stupidest world-domination plan I've ever heard ("let's replace everyone with clones!") in Maximum Clonage and the worst jokes ever uttered by a character in comics. And now his current continuity is almost as confusing (but not quite) as Mysterio's. We don't know if the current one is really Miles, if the 90's one was really Miles, if he's alive, if he's dead, etc. So... I'm glad for the other characters Jackal brings to the table, but not so much for the character himself. Perhaps that answer was a bit convoluted. __________________ What happens but once, might as well not have happened at all...

12-03-2011, 04:54 AM	#302
Spider-Aziz Not in a million years Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 22,012	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain No argument about him making the Punisher, that's pretty accurate I love how he looked at Carlie and responded to Captain America: "She's no Gwen Stacy, I won't clone her if you paid me to" __________________ I must NEVER post in politics forums Jor-El was right, members of the council of Krypton were wrong

12-03-2011, 09:40 AM	#303
Spider-Aziz Not in a million years Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 22,012	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain He faced the Hulk, Iron Man, Doc Samson, and others, but still more fun as a punching bag for Spider-Man The Rhino __________________ I must NEVER post in politics forums Jor-El was right, members of the council of Krypton were wrong

12-03-2011, 10:31 AM	#305
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Rhino is a great villain, IMO. Always has been and always will be. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-03-2011, 11:16 AM	#306
Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks... Join Date: May 2000 Location: With your Mom in Moncton, NB, Canada Posts: 38,601	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain I love the rhino, even though he's a one trick pony... and in ASM # 625... a Rhino story, I had my first ever letter printed in a Spidey comic...

12-03-2011, 11:26 AM	#307
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain That's awesome. Sadly, none of mine have been printed yet, but maybe they will some day. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-03-2011, 11:33 AM	#308
JJJ's Ulcer Old, cigar chompin' grump Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The pit of J Jonah Jameson's stomach. Posts: 6,203	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain The Rhino... The best thing the Rhino did was be Harry's patsy during his early 90's Green Goblin stint when he went after Peter Parker. Spidey beat him up and Rhino pleaded that he was only doing it for his family. So Spidey asked him "What about Peter Parker's family?" and beat him up some more. Pure awesomeness. __________________ What happens but once, might as well not have happened at all...

12-03-2011, 11:35 AM	#309
SpideyInATree Never Go Full Retard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 24,228	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain The Rhino is kind of a one trick pony but I really liked what they did with him during the Gauntlet arc in BND. They really added a new element to the character and gave even more reason for him to be mad at Spider-Man. From what I've seen he'll be popping up again in the Spidey book so I'm looking forward to that. __________________ If you're into industrial metal or hard rock, or if you're looking for some new music to listen to. Check out a new band called GlitchPoint. http://www.glitchpoint.com Check out their song Ignition

12-03-2011, 12:01 PM	#311
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain ^^ Yeah, that could work at some point. Though, I wouldn't want him to stay that way. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-03-2011, 12:29 PM	#313
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain ^^ Sal Buscema's art is amazing though. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-03-2011, 12:32 PM	#314
Spider-Aziz Not in a million years Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 22,012	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain I like how this pose and sketch were adapted in Edge of Time when Anti-Venom was holding Spidey in his grasp __________________ I must NEVER post in politics forums Jor-El was right, members of the council of Krypton were wrong

12-03-2011, 12:49 PM	#315
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Sal Buscema's Spectacular Spider-Man runs is one of my favorites. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-03-2011, 10:30 PM	#316
SpideyInATree Never Go Full Retard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 24,228	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Heck yeah, I loved that Spectacular run by Buscema. I have most of those issues too and now it makes me want to dig through them. Of course, Spectacular Spider-Man # 200 was..well, Spectacular. __________________ If you're into industrial metal or hard rock, or if you're looking for some new music to listen to. Check out a new band called GlitchPoint. http://www.glitchpoint.com Check out their song Ignition

12-04-2011, 12:17 AM	#318
Spider-Aziz Not in a million years Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 22,012	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain I thought his run near the end got better than what we had after the Sin Eater Death for a while, wrinkles were all just thick lines, it was annoying to look at even with his great art __________________ I must NEVER post in politics forums Jor-El was right, members of the council of Krypton were wrong

12-04-2011, 07:57 AM	#320
Brain Damage Banana User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 2,194	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Rhino is terrific. His first appearances are such great stories - and they're the ones that lead us to the big Mary Jane reveal, so they're classic just for that. __________________ WHO APPOINTED THE BATMAN? Free Original Music

12-04-2011, 08:29 AM	#321
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Indeed. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-04-2011, 08:38 AM	#322
Spider-Aziz Not in a million years Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 22,012	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Are you guys in for a treat today on this special double feature The Terrible Two: Walrus & White Rabbit __________________ I must NEVER post in politics forums Jor-El was right, members of the council of Krypton were wrong

12-04-2011, 08:46 AM	#323
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain oh god, these two, lol. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

12-04-2011, 08:47 AM	#324
Spider-Aziz Not in a million years Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 22,012	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Just that? Nothing more to say good sir? __________________ I must NEVER post in politics forums Jor-El was right, members of the council of Krypton were wrong

12-04-2011, 08:48 AM	#325
Spider-ManHero12 Web-Slinger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 47,310	Re: State your opinion on a Spidey villain Not much to say, lol. __________________ A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans\| The Amazing Spider-man (2012) will be literally AMAZING! *A lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, With Great Power There Must Also come Great Responsiblity - Amazing Fantasy #15* *Happy 50th Anniversary, Spidey! 1962-2012*

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