Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party VII

[Venom'sDad]

He only said it once and retracted.

[Bathead]

That doesn't excuse what he said. Just like any other politician who says something stupid, he only recanted his statement when he realized it could have negative repercussions for his campaign especially in the face of the current allegations and the sexist nature of his calling Pelosi a "princess". His recanting is coming off as totally insincere.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

He only said it once and retracted.

He might have said it just once at the debate but he's called her that many times on his radio show.

He only retracted it because this was the first time anyone called him on it.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

He only said it once and retracted.

He said it once in the debate and then several more times on Sean Hannity's show interview directly after the debate. He also rehearsed it and had it planned to go viral as a tweet or text went out to supporters after the debate trying to fundraise after it. Also, Jon Stewart found him saying it on his radio show from 2009 or 2010.

He also said with a knowing grin that "I can't think of a job for her to do" of Gloria Allred and called another woman a "flower." I'm just saying a clear picture seems to be forming in the public consciousness of him and rather than changing it, he is reinforcing it and will not get the nomination with such an image next year.

[Venom'sDad]

Sean ask him about, and he retracted. He did not go around calling her princess, other than the one time in the debate. Dems have said worst things about Republicans and/or conservative. Why so serious?

[Bathead]

Did you not read the last couple of posts?

[Frodo]

I think the fact of the matter is , the people he's appealing to , fair or not , agree with him on the "princess" comments . Truth be told its probably the nicest thing Republicans have said about Pelosi.

It seems like the whole issue with Cain and women has become a partisan one , mainly I think, because the press corp has been so intent trying to push Cain out of the race , that they allowed him to spin the issue into a Liberal press vs a Conservative . I still doubt the guy is getting the nod, but I gotta say i'm surprised he's taking a licking and right now seems to still be ticking.

[Slushy]

Cain's starting to get more flimsy with every interview he does regarding the women. I know he's trying to play it safe, but he's not doing a very good job at it. He knew. He didn't know. He kinda knew. Argh, just pick a story and stick up with it otherwise he's further damaging himself by making the allegations look more credible.

[Raiden]

Even though Cain is the front-runner now, I don't think he'll become GOP's presidential candidate. I just can't see that happening.

[Thundercrack85]

The fact that people think Cain is a serious candidate is rather disturbing. The man didn't even know China had nuclear weapons.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by Frodo

I think the fact of the matter is , the people he's appealing to , fair or not , agree with him on the "princess" comments . Truth be told its probably the nicest thing Republicans have said about Pelosi.

It seems like the whole issue with Cain and women has become a partisan one , mainly I think, because the press corp has been so intent trying to push Cain out of the race , that they allowed him to spin the issue into a Liberal press vs a Conservative . I still doubt the guy is getting the nod, but I gotta say i'm surprised he's taking a licking and right now seems to still be ticking.

The princess comments are sexist no matter how you slice it. Those who agree with them....well, 2 plus 2 is 4.

I agree it's a partisan issue now, but not because of the "liberal media." He got scrutiny because he became a frontrunner. Frontrunner scrutiny means the skeletons will come tumbling out and that's what happened. He has now played the victim card designed by Karl Rove and Roger Ailes and perfected by Sarah Palin. By playing it the right wing has circled the wagons on Fox News and talk radio and instead of investigating "did he do it," they changed it into "us vs. them."

As a liberal, I'm fine with Cain getting the nomination because Obama would easily defeat him. But the fact is Cain has five accusers and then calls women "princesses," "flowers," and says about ones he doesn't like, "I can't think of a job I'd have her do."

It's only partisan because the right doesn't care about personal faults if he talks like them. Kind of like Penn State students rioting because Joe Pat was fired....for helping cover up a child rapist on his staff.

Sometimes morality should trump fan loyalty and ideology. Just saying.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Originally Posted by Bathead

Did you not read the last couple of posts?

Maybe Venom'sDad will make his own retraction soon.


I like how a retraction is an absolution of any terrible thing we say. It's really just a meaningless, hollow apology people in the public eye give, when they reveal a little too much about how they really think. Herman Cain is a raging misogynist. Who's surprised by that???

[Bathead]

These retractions that pols make when they do or say something stupid never come off as sincere. You can't help but think the only reason any one of them makes a retraction is because of the possible negative impact on their campaign and not due to any sincere regret. In other words, if there had been little to no outrage, there would have been no retractions.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Yep. Bingo.

Can you imagine some ass who denigrates elected women with derogatory remarks like "princess" representing our country on the national stage? Will Mel "sugar t***" Gibson be his VP? This isn't even taking into account the five women that have accused him of sexual harrassment. You could get away with saying that one was false. But five?! Character counts for a lot if you want to be President, and it seems to be something Cain seriously lacks.

[Franklin Richards]

Conservative Philosophy is mysoginist. Women are meant to obey their husbands. Even if their husbands are effiminate and closeted homosexuals. Sometimes I think the GOP is still in the 50's.

[Thundercrack85]

I do miss the 50's economy...

[Franklin Richards]

Unless you were Black.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I do miss the 50's economy...

You miss the 50's economy? Damn, Thundercrack, you must be a pretty old fella.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I do miss the 50's economy...

How about the Tax rates?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Hard to believe that people who made more then 200k(which probably would be the equivalent to 2-3M when you take inflation into consideration) got taxed 91% on everything over that amount in 1950

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

The princess comments are sexist no matter how you slice it. Those who agree with them....well, 2 plus 2 is 4.

I agree it's a partisan issue now, but not because of the "liberal media." He got scrutiny because he became a frontrunner. Frontrunner scrutiny means the skeletons will come tumbling out and that's what happened. He has now played the victim card designed by Karl Rove and Roger Ailes and perfected by Sarah Palin. By playing it the right wing has circled the wagons on Fox News and talk radio and instead of investigating "did he do it," they changed it into "us vs. them."

As a liberal, I'm fine with Cain getting the nomination because Obama would easily defeat him. But the fact is Cain has five accusers and then calls women "princesses," "flowers," and says about ones he doesn't like, "I can't think of a job I'd have her do."

It's only partisan because the right doesn't care about personal faults if he talks like them. Kind of like Penn State students rioting because Joe Pat was fired....for helping cover up a child rapist on his staff.

Sometimes morality should trump fan loyalty and ideology. Just saying.

I agree . I'm a liberal too, but I think we both agree that regardless of what we think , we aren't the ones voting in the next month. The Cain target audience , have made it clear time after time that they don't care what members of what they call the "Liberal media" thinks about the time of day , let alone allegations against Cain.

Hell, they don't even think Obama is American. That is why i'm a bit suprised so many liberals and Democrats seemed to be shocked that the right wing is still supporting Cain. It seems to me if they haven't learned by now that members of the tea party and alot of conservatives don't believe the media , then they're never gonna get it.

Now , the press will report on a politcal sex scandal frontrunner , democratic, republican, it doesn't really matter but I do think that alot of the press core thought that they could take him out with the scandal and now that he's still around they're a bit miffed.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Older, moderate and business-minded Republicans who don't blog, don't go to Tea Party rallies and don't whine all day about Obama, won't vote for Cain in the primaries. There's less of them than there used to be, but still enough to make a difference. Romney has this in the bag. Deep down a lot of GOP voters know Perry, Cain and Gingrich are all unelectable.

[Franklin Richards]

Which is funny, cause I think some of the FAR right guys won't vote for Romney.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by Frodo

I agree . I'm a liberal too, but I think we both agree that regardless of what we think , we aren't the ones voting in the next month. The Cain target audience , have made it clear time after time that they don't care what members of what they call the "Liberal media" thinks about the time of day , let alone allegations against Cain.

Hell, they don't even think Obama is American. That is why i'm a bit suprised so many liberals and Democrats seemed to be shocked that the right wing is still supporting Cain. It seems to me if they haven't learned by now that members of the tea party and alot of conservatives don't believe the media , then they're never gonna get it.

Now , the press will report on a politcal sex scandal frontrunner , democratic, republican, it doesn't really matter but I do think that alot of the press core thought that they could take him out with the scandal and now that he's still around they're a bit miffed.

I'd agree with that. However, while it hasn't caused him to go the traditional "politician in a sex scandal" route of crashing and burning as seen a dozen times in both parties in the last decade, there is a gradual steady erosion. He has sunk from 5-7 points ahead of Romney to basically being in a dead heat. When Iowa rolls around, the Tea Party types that make up a huge chunk of Iowa Republicans will likely say "I like Herman Cain....BUT...." and then they'll consider how he spent the 2+ months leading up to that day defending his actions around a seemingly endless line of accusers.

If anything, this just cements Mitt Romney's inevitable victory just a little more. Sad, but true.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by JJJ's Ulcer

You miss the 50's economy? Damn, Thundercrack, you must be a pretty old fella.

A time when all we had to worry about was the Reds and flying saucers.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

And the Fonz stealing your daughter for the night. "HeeeEEEEY!!"