Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party VII

[Marx]

UPDATE: TRUMP SAYS BRINGING UP OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP IS "A POSITIVE THING" FOR PERRY
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ion-for-perry/

[enterthemadness]

Oh my goodness, Mark....Ron...Paul...can debate.

Rick Perry going home with his tail between his legs is good news for Romney, Cain and Paul. Really the only 3 that will be in that GOP nomination...and I only trust Paul. Cain and Romney, while seem nice and make me laugh at times, I wouldn't have much faith in as President. Maybe Hell freezes over and Romney endorses Paul as VP, I honestly imagine that will get him elected in a landslide over Obama.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by Marx

UPDATE: TRUMP SAYS BRINGING UP OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP IS "A POSITIVE THING" FOR PERRY
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ion-for-perry/

Hey, if you know a better way to win the nomination, I'd like to hear it.

[enterthemadness]

Originally Posted by Marx

UPDATE: TRUMP SAYS BRINGING UP OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP IS "A POSITIVE THING" FOR PERRY
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ion-for-perry/

Trump needs to shut up and go to his bankruptcy court hearing...I imagine another one of his hotels or casino is failing.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Marx

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss President Obama in the debates. Sure, Hillary Clinton debated him under the table several times, but none of the GOP candidates are on the level of a Hillary Clinton.

Mitt Romney is pretty damn good at the debates. He doesn't have the personality of a Clinton, but he makes sure that he knows what the hell he's talking about, he doesn't look like a fool, and he doesn't piss anyone off. It's both a flaw and a strength.

But the biggest thing that will hurt Obama is not his rather poor debating skills, it's his record. His ratings are in the tank in regards to the economy and his agenda is not only unpopular, but in a lot of cases, seen as flat out failures. The stimulus, Obamacare, the bailouts, his environmental policies, etc. all are very unpopular, and Romney will tear him to shreds.

[Marx]

Romney's record of being on every side of every issue whenever it best suits his political efforts won't do him any favors either.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by enterthemadness

Oh my goodness, Mark....Ron...Paul...can debate.

Rick Perry going home with his tail between his legs is good news for Romney, Cain and Paul. Really the only 3 that will be in that GOP nomination...and I only trust Paul. Cain and Romney, while seem nice and make me laugh at times, I wouldn't have much faith in as President. Maybe Hell freezes over and Romney endorses Paul as VP, I honestly imagine that will get him elected in a landslide over Obama.

Ron Paul would never accept a VP slot from Romney and Romney would never offer it to him. They're completely incompatible politically to the point where it would end up being a tactical blunder. You can't have your VP pretty much disagree with you on every single issue. Romney is trying to run as a center-right candidate while Paul is running as a full blown libertarian.

Expect the GOP ticket in 2012 to look like Romney/Rubio, Romney/McDonnell, Romney/Daniels, or Romney/Christie.

[Marx]

UPDATE: CAIN SAYS "SMOKING" AD IS HILARIOUS
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ing-ad-a-rave/

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Marx

Romney's record of being on every side of every issue whenever it best suits his political efforts won't do him any favors either.

That is a big flaw. And it's why I think that if this were a typical election, Obama would crush Romney because Romney comes off as a candidate with no real convictions.

However, with Obama's numbers and the economy. Sorry, but no one wins re-election with those numbers. No. One. With this kind of environment a Dukakis/Kerry/Romney type of candidate can and probably will win.

[enterthemadness]

Yeah, but will Romney, Cain fix the economy? Probably not. Will Obama? Probably lol not. Will Paul? Perhaps...I like his chances. Romney and Cain while I said earlier seem nice, are like Obama in a way...they favor Wall Street. The rich.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by enterthemadness

Yeah, but will Romney, Cain fix the economy? Probably not. Will Obama? Probably lol not. Will Paul? Perhaps...I like his chances. Romney and Cain while I said earlier seem nice, are like Obama in a way...they favor Wall Street. The rich.

Very true on Romney and Cain, but Paul will not be able to do anything because Congress will oppose almost everything Paul does.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

That is a big flaw. And it's why I think that if this were a typical election, Obama would crush Romney because Romney comes off as a candidate with no real convictions.

However, with Obama's numbers and the economy. Sorry, but no one wins re-election with those numbers. No. One. With this kind of environment a Dukakis/Kerry/Romney type of candidate can and probably will win.

I see Romney as a Kerry-esque type of candidate. I honestly think it will be a razor thin margin of victory for whoever wins...and I hope it's not the GOP candidate.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Marx

I see Romney as a Kerry-esque type of candidate. I honestly think it will be a razor thin margin of victory for whoever wins

I dunno. A razor thin margin by either Obama or Romney is extremely possible (the most likely possibility). But a Romney victory with over 300 electoral votes is also quite possible. Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are huge grabs and those three are very ripe for the picking by Romney.

[Marx]

Obama is currently leading in a hypothetical matchup between him and Romney in my state. Polls change a lot though.

[Thundercrack85]

I can't see Romney winning against Obama. He has no credibility with the Republican Party's establishment. That's why he hasn't been able to get more than 25% (or so) to support him. He is the Republicans' best chance though, but that's not saying much, given the line up.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Marx

Obama is currently leading in a hypothetical matchup between him and Romney in my state. Polls change a lot though.

Currently leading, but by an incredibly slim margin for an incumbent. Just wait for Romney to get the inevitable momentum boost once he solidifies his nomination and goes one on one with Obama instead of dragging his knuckles with the rest of the GOP field.

A recent PPP poll, which is a Democratic polling firm, has Obama tied with Romney. The recent Quinnipac poll has Romney leading with independents 43% to Obama's 36% which isn't a good sign either.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I can't see Romney winning against Obama. He has no credibility with the Republican Party's establishment. That's why he hasn't been able to get more than 25% (or so) to support him. He is the Republicans' best chance though, but that's not saying much, given the line up.

Romney is the establishment candidate. The reason why he's unable to get above 25% in the polls is because that's all he is. He's the technocratic, electable, establishment candidate. There is no passion with him, there are no convictions within him, and there is no excitement for him. He's playing a very safe campaign that avoids aggravating anyone and playing on the fact that Obama has a very bad hand of cards.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by Marx

Obama is currently leading in a hypothetical matchup between him and Romney in my state. Polls change a lot though.

I just don't know if Obama can win Ohio, But then again, The way Romney has been flip flopping AGAIN on the ballot stuff in Ohio could help Obama alot.

Who knows?

[hippie_hunter]

I think Obama can win Ohio, I consider it to be one of the true swing states in the 2012 election. He has a much better shot at winning Ohio than he does Virginia. Which is why it baffles me that he's trying to find strategies that don't involve him winning Ohio and places such emphasis on Virginia. It should be the other way around, considering that he really can't afford losing the state.

[IKB]

Have to agree that the election is going to come down to the wire, at the moment I favour Barack by the smallest of margins. Possibly a case of "better the devil you know" due to Romney's history of flip-flopping on next to everything.

[Raiden]

Rick Perry comes out against Confederate flag license plate

Anyone can tell that Perry is only against this measure because he's running for the GOP nomination for the presidency.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I think Obama can win Ohio, I consider it to be one of the true swing states in the 2012 election. He has a much better shot at winning Ohio than he does Virginia. Which is why it baffles me that he's trying to find strategies that don't involve him winning Ohio and places such emphasis on Virginia. It should be the other way around, considering that he really can't afford losing the state.

"As Ohio goes...so goes the nation."

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by obin_gam

What? Where? Imo the ad takes and thinks of itself as 100% serious. I really doubt Cain has this kind of self-perspective to get his peons to make a "sarcastic" ad. His quotes in debates I think prooves this quite well.

I think this even weirder Cain ad proves he doesn't take himself all that serious.
http://www.youtube.com/user/theherma.../3/dSlC7BxmSqY

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Marx

"As Ohio goes...so goes the nation."

Pretty much.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Marx

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss President Obama in the debates. Sure, Hillary Clinton debated him under the table several times, but none of the GOP candidates are on the level of a Hillary Clinton.

Romney's performances in the Republican debates have been absolutely stellar. He's been having every candidate going for his jugular in these debates, yet he is still coming out unscratched (arguably better than before). Granted, his competition is not much but you're writing him off way too easily. Not to mention that Obama remains terrible when he is off script.