Amy Adams is Lois Lane: - Part 6

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by manofsteel4life

I remember bringing this very fact up, when some were saying that Lois wasn't gonna be a love interest in this film

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

Well I could see him saying that in hopes of setting up the romance in the hopeful sequel. There may not be a romance in this movie but maybe once Clark becomes Superman and Lois sees him she is absolutely amazed and falls in love with him. I'm all for a romance in this movie but if there isn't one I'm not gonna cry like some people probably will...

Well I'm in the group that says that if they were able to fit a romance story naturally into the film, then I'm up for it..but if they felt they couldn't because of bigger priorities, then I could totally understand.

Though didn't we get like reports saying that Amy, as Lois, was present alongside Clark at

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Jonathan Kent's funeral in SV? I would think that a event like that would allow room for the two to get to know each other.

[hopefuldreamer]

I'd rather an 'almost' kiss and a heck of a lot of sexual tension... with no actual event until a sequel.

But that's just me... I love it when that kind of thing is dragged out.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

I'd rather an 'almost' kiss and a heck of a lot of sexual tension... with no actual event until a sequel.

But that's just me... I love it when that kind of thing is dragged out.

Execution is the name of the game.lol If the filmmakers are great in their execution, even a "dance" with each other should show how much unresolved sexual tension there is between the two without ever having them kissed.haha

Though, it'd be nice one of these days to see a film where Superman/Clark and Lois share a kiss that doesn't involve either of them being unconscious at the time or doesn't involve Lois losing her memory soon afterwards.lol

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Execution is the name of the game.lol If the filmmakers are great in their execution, even a "dance" with each other should show how much unresolved sexual tension there is between the two without ever having them kissed.haha

Though, it'd be nice one of these days to see a film where Superman/Clark and Lois share a kiss that doesn't involve either of them being unconscious at the time or doesn't involve Lois losing her memory soon afterwards.lol

Definitely

It's just that every superhero kiss scene I can think of, has been kind of awful... except maybe the upside Spiderman/Mary Jane kiss... at the time that was pretty damn cool.

But like the Thor/Jane kiss... their relationship was soooo rushed, and I just didn't feel it. I didn't feel that slow motion run, I didn't feel any chemistry between them at all!

And I think one of the best ways of building up the big kiss scene moment, is by having a few scenes where you WANT them to kiss but they don't quite get there... then when they finally do, it's this big 'YES!' moment.

Here's a question tho - Do you want the first kiss to be with Clark, or with Superman?

Cause that's always been the difficult one for me, and one of the reasons i'd almost rather they DON'T kiss until maybe even after she knows his secret...

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

Definitely

It's just that every superhero kiss scene I can think of, has been kind of awful... except maybe the upside Spiderman/Mary Jane kiss... at the time that was pretty damn cool.

But like the Thor/Jane kiss... their relationship was soooo rushed, and I just didn't feel it. I didn't feel that slow motion run, I didn't feel any chemistry between them at all!

And I think one of the best ways of building up the big kiss scene moment, is by having a few scenes where you WANT them to kiss but they don't quite get there... then when they finally do, it's this big 'YES!' moment.

Here's a question tho - Do you want the first kiss to be with Clark, or with Superman?

Cause that's always been the difficult one for me, and one of the reasons i'd almost rather they DON'T kiss until maybe even after she knows his secret...

Indeed. First genuine kisses between the hero/heroine and their significant other is only as good the development made between them prior to that moment; if as you say, it feels rushed and unnatural, then audiences won't care about it.


As for the question...honestly, it would depend for me on who's presented as the so called 'real persona' in this franchise.

I don't want Lois to be portrayed in a manner that would allow people to attack her character with the same argument that I've seen in the past of her being shallow and only wanting Clark because him being Superman.

Whoever is shown as the real person; that's who I want Lois to kiss first.

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Indeed. First genuine kisses between the hero/heroine and their significant other is only as good the development made between them prior to that moment; if as you say, it feels rushed and unnatural, then audiences won't care about it.


As for the question...honestly, it would depend for me on who's presented as the so called 'real persona' in this franchise.

I don't want Lois to be portrayed in a manner that would allow people to attack her character with the same argument that I've seen in the past of her being shallow and only wanting Clark because him being Superman.

Whoever is shown as the real person; that's who I want Lois to kiss first.

Good answer, and I agree completely

But hey, from the looks of things she might meet Superman, before he's Superman, but without knowing he's Clark Kent... so to her, the guy IS a real person, and since she doesn't know Clark Kent yet, you couldn't bash her for it...

God this film could be complicated

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

Good answer, and I agree completely

But hey, from the looks of things she might meet Superman, before he's Superman, but without knowing he's Clark Kent... so to her, the guy IS a real person, and since she doesn't know Clark Kent yet, you couldn't bash her for it...

God this film could be complicated

Has any film that's had Goyer and Nolan attached as its creative figures ever been 'simple'?lol

It should be interesting to see on what their interactions with each other will be like in this film. Aside from "Smallville" the tv series, this will potentially be the first time where the two characters have met each other prior to Clark officially donning the suit.

Hell, this will be the first live action film where Lois is even in Smallville, and may be the first time on live action that she'll meet his parents (assuming if the situation presents itself of course).

But yeah, for this romantic relationship to work, the story is going to need to present Lois in a good way as a individual first since I would think that with any good story...the storyteller would have write the specific two characters in mind in a way that would have audiences rooting for the two to get together..and from what I'm used to seeing, that normally happens when the two characters are well established first as individuals.

I do hope that Warner Bros. realize that they could capitalize on the relationship between the two considering that "SV" was the last form of entertainment where fans of the relationship were able to see the two together before the New 52 canon came into effect.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

I'd rather an 'almost' kiss and a heck of a lot of sexual tension... with no actual event until a sequel.

But that's just me... I love it when that kind of thing is dragged out.

too much sexual tension in Superman Returns, I'll pass

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well I'm in the group that says that if they were able to fit a romance story naturally into the film, then I'm up for it..but if they felt they couldn't because of bigger priorities, then I could totally understand.

Though didn't we get like reports saying that Amy, as Lois, was present alongside Clark at

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Jonathan Kent's funeral in SV? I would think that a event like that would allow room for the two to get to know each other.

that could have been false

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

too much sexual tension in Superman Returns, I'll pass

idk.lol; a good amount of people, including me, didn't really see that much chemistry between the two. I mean based on what I saw in SR, I had a hard time believing that SR's Superman and Lois were once intimate with each other in the past.

That, and the fact that Lois was engaged to another guy whom she and the audience, along with Superman, believed to be the father of Jason didn't make it easy to root for Superman getting back Lois, especially when Richard was presented as a good person.

In MOS or its potential sequels, we supposedly won't have to worry about that extra baggage when seeing these two grow closer to each other.

[Kal-El.9859]

save the sexual tension for a sequel...I'd be willing to bet the farm that this film will get a sequel.

[LibidoLoca]

I rather have it now because there's no guarantee there will be a sequel.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by LibidoLoca

I rather have it now because there's no guarantee there will be a sequel.

all the stuff I've seen would lead me to believe this movie will be a big hit

[herolee10]

lol; well like I said, if Nolan and Goyer were able to find a way to naturally fit any type of romantic development between Clark and Lois, then I'm up for it. But if not, I won't exactly cry about it either since it won't ruin the film for me.

I just hope that that fans of the relationship from the comics and other forms of media will be able to get some form of the relationship again since we won't be getting any of it in the comics within the foreseeable future that's for sure.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by herolee10

lol; well like I said, if Nolan and Goyer were able to find a way to naturally fit any type of romantic development between Clark and Lois, then I'm up for it. But if not, I won't exactly cry about it either since it won't ruin the film for me.

I just hope that that fans of the relationship from the comics and other forms of media will be able to get some form of the relationship again since we won't be getting any of it in the comics within the foreseeable future that's for sure.

I think that's what we are getting in the movie as well...or close to it

[LibidoLoca]

And there lies my fear that they'll somehow ruin Lois and Clark for this film. Goyer and Nolan haven't really proven to me that they can make a believable romantic relationship.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by LibidoLoca

And there lies my fear that they'll somehow ruin Lois and Clark for this film. Goyer and Nolan haven't really proven to me that they can make a believable romantic relationship.

lol...well we'll have to wait and see on how Nolan handled Bruce Wayne and Selina/Talia in TDKR. Heck, truth be told, I think MOS will be the first time that Nolan has been given characters where there's no real live threatening type of angst between them in Lois and Clark like his usual set of characters.

[Kal-El.9859]

I'm more concerned on how Snyder will handle a Clark and Lois relationship since Nolan left the project right after he hire Snyder...

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

I'm more concerned on how Snyder will handle a Clark and Lois relationship since Nolan left the project right after he hire Snyder...

Granted, I know that he's given the directorial reigns to Snyder, but I was under the assumption that he's still connected with the project and from what we've been told by those who have a credible history of having sources in the WB, Nolan has seen some of the dailies as well (being impressed by them), so I would think that he's still attached to the project and will hopefully be for the remainder of its duration.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Granted, I know that he's given the directorial reigns to Snyder, but I was under the assumption that he's still connected with the project and from what we've been told by those who have a credible history of having sources in the WB, Nolan has seen some of the dailies as well (being impressed by them), so I would think that he's still attached to the project and will hopefully be for the remainder of its duration.

I think he's just giving his name to the project. WB wants the money maker name attached to the film to bring in his fans. He is pretty much hands off on the film. Has been for some time now

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

I think he's just giving his name to the project. WB wants the money maker name attached to the film to bring in his fans. He is pretty much hands off on the film. Has been for some time now

No, he and Goyer did have a hand in writing the story treatment for MOS and not just lending his name to the production. Regardless how much will have changed with the rewrites, Nolan did contribute to the overall story (even if he didn't co-write the script or direct the movie).

And he hand-picked Snyder to direct. He may have been hands-off when it came to shooting and script rewrites, but Nolan certainly exercised his producing role to the extent he could. He had a hand in the story, 'suggested' actors for certain roles, and so forth.

[Kal-El.9859]

Originally Posted by mclay18

No, he and Goyer did have a hand in writing the story treatment for MOS and not just lending his name to the production. Regardless how much will have changed with the rewrites, Nolan did contribute to the overall story (even if he didn't co-write the script or direct the movie).

And he hand-picked Snyder to direct. He may have been hands-off when it came to shooting and script rewrites, but Nolan certainly exercised his producing role to the extent he could. He had a hand in the story, 'suggested' actors for certain roles, and so forth.

I know he had a hand in it, I'm just not sure it's as much as some people think. And what really pisses me off is if this film does really well the majority of people will probably give most of the credit to Nolan...and that isn't right

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

I know he had a hand in it, I'm just not sure it's as much as some people think. And what really pisses me off is if this film does really well the majority of people will probably give most of the credit to Nolan...and that isn't right

From what Gillberg said, who's been proven to have reliable sources, they said that Nolan's brother was brought in for some heavy writes on Goyer's script and such, and he did help Goyer conceive the story as well so that's gotta say something, plus he was the one that sold the pitch to Warner Bros.

I think Goyer and Snyder do deserve credit for when credit is do, but truth be told, they haven't done anything that I would feel warrants that they can handle the remainder of the franchise alone in good health.

[Kal-El.9859]

I just hope it's a good movie and the right people get proper credit

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Has any film that's had Goyer and Nolan attached as its creative figures ever been 'simple'?lol

It should be interesting to see on what their interactions with each other will be like in this film. Aside from "Smallville" the tv series, this will potentially be the first time where the two characters have met each other prior to Clark officially donning the suit.

Hell, this will be the first live action film where Lois is even in Smallville, and may be the first time on live action that she'll meet his parents (assuming if the situation presents itself of course).

But yeah, for this romantic relationship to work, the story is going to need to present Lois in a good way as a individual first since I would think that with any good story...the storyteller would have write the specific two characters in mind in a way that would have audiences rooting for the two to get together..and from what I'm used to seeing, that normally happens when the two characters are well established first as individuals.

I do hope that Warner Bros. realize that they could capitalize on the relationship between the two considering that "SV" was the last form of entertainment where fans of the relationship were able to see the two together before the New 52 canon came into effect.

Agree with everything, especially the bolded part.

That's kind of the most important thing for me. Lois is not just your generic Superhero love interest. She's an individual character, who has a role to play in the story in many aspects outside of her relationship to Superman.

If that's one thing that the lack of a relationship between the two of them in the New 52 canon proves, is that she is a big part of any Superman story even without a romantic connection to our hero.

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

too much sexual tension in Superman Returns, I'll pass

When i'm referring to sexual tension, i'm talking about the way two characters are together when they WANT to hook up based on how attracted to each other they are and how much chemisty there is, but they DON'T.

In SR, they had already slept together, so no sexual tension

Besides, the whole tone of their scenes together was sort of 'sorry for ourselves', and I certainly never got any hint of sexual chemistry.

Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859

I just hope it's a good movie and the right people get proper credit