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Old 10-15-2012, 03:28 PM   #801
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Maybe Ms. Marvel could appear due to her proximity to cosmic-stuff.

Sticking Panther in would be wayyy too much for a film. Just a reference to Wakanda would be sufficient.

And no Vision until after Ultron, and even then, I doubt we'll see Vision.
Yeah probably no Vision.

Looking forward to Ms Marvel if it happens. Also thought Panther (adapted) could work if plot relevant. Wouldn't see him as a permanent member in any case.

Falcon I don't really want to see in Avengers 2. Ant man & War machine cameos would be great.

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As President, I will declare sidekicks ineligible for the Avengers. War Machine and Falcon can sit this one out.

Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, is definitely welcome. I wouldn't go beyond that unless you want to talk about adding someone like Scarlett Witch.

Ant-Man and Black Panther need a good solo movie before they join the Avengers, IMO.

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Old 10-15-2012, 04:31 PM   #803
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I was just pointing out how stuffed the film was, with 6 Avengers and 2 other major characters (Fury and Loki) who had been introduced elsewhere

I just don't see how people expect a film with 10 Avengers to work, on any level.
Same man .... I actually hope to NEVER see that.

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Avengers:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Ms. Marvel
Falcon

Supporting characters:

Nick Fury
Maria Hill
Hank Pym
Thanos
The Other
Captain Mar-Vell

Anyone else want to see that (Black Widow would be killed though)?

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Old 10-15-2012, 04:46 PM   #805
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As President, I will declare sidekicks ineligible for the Avengers. War Machine and Falcon can sit this one out.

Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, is definitely welcome. I wouldn't go beyond that unless you want to talk about adding someone like Scarlett Witch.

Ant-Man and Black Panther need a good solo movie before they join the Avengers, IMO.
War Machine should cameo somewhere given his strong links with both Stark & Avengers. Can understand leaving him out of the 1st film but this is supposed to be a shared universe so it's natural for him to have some (even very small) involvement. He should only become a fully fledged Avenger when Stark has to sit one out for a good plot reason ..serious injury (NOT death ), demon in a bottle, Civil War...no scratch that last one!

2 new characters should be the max (ignoring cameos), even 1 would be fine.

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As President, I will declare sidekicks ineligible for the Avengers. War Machine and Falcon can sit this one out.

Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, is definitely welcome. I wouldn't go beyond that unless you want to talk about adding someone like Scarlett Witch.

Ant-Man and Black Panther need a good solo movie before they join the Avengers, IMO.
War Machine and Falcon ain't sidekicks!
At least, that's what they'd tell you, and kick yer ass for saying so.
Anyho, the writing is on the wall for Falcon, as far as I'm concerned --- he's already part of the Avengers Assemble comic book which takes its cue from the movies; he's in the upcoming (new) Avengers animated series, which takes its cue from the movies; and he's a permanent member of the Super Hero Squad, which teaches very young kids how to grow up to be Marvel Maniacs like the rest of us.

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Theory: at the end of Avengers 2 the team disband at the hands of the Council, and Fury leaves SHIELD with Hill taking over. Dark ending. In the post-credits scene, Maria asks him to create a weapon to protect the planet now that the Avengers were gone. She explains it was an old project their scientists were working on but it never went through, and she thinks he's the man for the job. She hands him the blueprints for:

PROJECT: ULTRON

So then in Avengers 3 Ultron turns on mankind, resulting in the Avengers to have to return to stop him. That could be a reason why Ant-Man is probably beginning Phase 3?

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War Machine and Falcon ain't sidekicks!
At least, that's what they'd tell you, and kick yer ass for saying so.
Anyho, the writing is on the wall for Falcon, as far as I'm concerned --- he's already part of the Avengers Assemble comic book which takes its cue from the movies; he's in the upcoming (new) Avengers animated series, which takes its cue from the movies; and he's a permanent member of the Super Hero Squad, which teaches very young kids how to grow up to be Marvel Maniacs like the rest of us.
War Machine and Falcon are most definitely sidekicks in the MCU. If they weren't, they'd have their own movies.

You might be right about Falcon, but we'll see. It's possible they could be testing the waters with him in those properties to gauge his potential popularity. Whedon already said he planned on putting a new female member on the team. If BW isn't in A2, I'm guessing he'd go for another female before adding more dudes.

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Whedon will get the sausage to taco ratio more leveled out in Avengers 2, of this I am sure

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Old 10-15-2012, 05:01 PM   #810
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So with Ant-Man out could we be looking at an Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy team up for Avengers 2? I guess this likely means that sidekicks are out?

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11 heroes = cluster****

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I agree but how are they going to ignore GOTG? It would seem strange if they didn't appear at all in Avengers 2? No?

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The universe is a pretty big place?

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I agree but how are they going to ignore GOTG? It would seem strange if they didn't appear at all in Avengers 2? No?
GotG is there to introduce Thanos as a universal threat. It'll pave the way for his inclusion in A2 by showing the GA what he's all about before showing up as an Avengers villain.

My guess is GotG will only think they've vanquished him by the end of their movie, or at the very least they'll delay the inevitable. It's possible they won't know about his interest in whatever may draw him to Earth.

OR

They could show up at the beginning to warn the Avengers, but that seems like a long shot.

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Old 10-15-2012, 06:50 PM   #815
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Guardians of the galaxy Is there to Introduce Thanos.

The plan Is for all 6 avengers to return(assuming they can reach deal with Robert
Downey JR) and Thanos Is most likely the villain.Then the question Is how much a role
Shield will play.That means Nick fury and Maria hill.That leaves us 9 characters without intorducing new avengers.My bet Is the falcon will be new avenger.That leaves 10 possibly characters.Then will anything be done to set up Ant-Man outside of post credit scene.

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It's a shame that Beast is at Fox. With the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy having a possible team up, it would've been cool to see that scene recreated where the GotG thought he was some kind of blue monkey. Of course, Beast in the X-Men movies hasn't been the more ape-like Beast but either like the Cat Beast or the Jim Lee Beast (as in X3).

Beast in the X-Men movies just doesn't really seem like an Avenger.

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I'm pretty sure the Guardians will show up in Avengers 2, but their role will most likely be small. I'm guessing they'll show up to help the Avengers in the final battle against Thanos; perhaps after a fight scene between the Avengers & the Guardians.

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War Machine and Falcon are most definitely sidekicks in the MCU. If they weren't, they'd have their own movies.
How are they sidekicks?

1) War Machine is a foil for Iron Man, not a buddy. Yeah, they wind up teaming up in the end, but War Machine works for the guvmint --- he most definitely doesn't work for Tony Stark.

2) Nobody knows how they'll present Falcon in the movie(s), but it's a pretty safe bet they'll dump all the 70s blaxploitation elements and Fantasy Island bull**** backstory to make him a more compelling (and less offensive) character.

And by your definition, Black Widow and Hawkeye must be "sidekicks," too, since they don't have movies.

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How are they sidekicks?

1) War Machine is a foil for Iron Man, not a buddy. Yeah, they wind up teaming up in the end, but War Machine works for the guvmint --- he most definitely doesn't work for Tony Stark.

2) Nobody knows how they'll present Falcon in the movie(s), but it's a pretty safe bet they'll dump all the 70s blaxploitation elements and Fantasy Island bull**** backstory to make him a more compelling (and less offensive) character.

And by your definition, Black Widow and Hawkeye must be "sidekicks," too, since they don't have movies.
No, I categorize them as SHIELD operatives since they don't tag along with superheroes.

WM and Falcon are usually confined to the main hero's stories, often to give them aid when they need it. If that's not a sidekick, I don't know what is.

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So with Ant-Man out could we be looking at an Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy team up for Avengers 2? I guess this likely means that sidekicks are out?
I just don't see the appeal of GOTG. This could easily turn into a flop for Marvel Studios and ruin their momentum heading into Avengers 2. I'm trying to picture it, and it looks ridiculous in my mind. The idea of Rocket Raccoon sharing the screen with any of the characters we've seen so far just sounds like a bad dream to me.

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The appeal of GotG is that it ushers in the cosmic side of the MCU. Thor has--somewhat--but not to the extent GotG will. It also serves to introduce Thanos, which they need before A2 comes out.

Plus there's Drax and Gamora, whose badassness trumps any possible silliness of Rocket Raccoon.

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People said literally the same exact thing about Thor pre-Thor. lol

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No, I categorize them as SHIELD operatives since they don't tag along with superheroes.

WM and Falcon are usually confined to the main hero's stories, often to give them aid when they need it. If that's not a sidekick, I don't know what is.
Giving aid when they need it is also the definition of a TEAM player, i.e., Avengers. And both Rhodey and Snap have done significant stints with the Avengers in the comics....so.

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**** "darker and heavier."
This is Avengers and Joss Whedon, not TDKR and Chris Nolan.
Implying that Whedon doesn't do dark and heavy?

He's well known for mixing comedy & light tones with drama & dark themes. I'd like to see more of that contrast/juxtaposition in TA2, & Phase 2 overall.

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RE: GotG, again I don't see them appearing in TA2 at all, and not because their concept is out there but because of story, time & budget constraints. There simply won't be enough time or money to deal with 11 lead characters in any significant way, and that's not even including the actual villain and his entourage.

Avengers was already full to the brim with characters, at most I see 1 or 2 new additions to the team, and those would more likely be Ant Man/Wasp/Ms. Marvel. With Stark Tower being converted for Avengers HQ I could see SHEILD playing a smaller part though.

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People said literally the same exact thing about Thor pre-Thor. lol
Thor's not a raccoon!

I'm fully confident they can adapt everyone else successfully or they wouldn't have taken up this project. Can't wait for Drax, Gamora & Star Lord. Just can't imagine how they can get that guy right though!

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