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Old 02-04-2012, 10:46 PM   #1
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While some think MoS will lend itself to sequels, at this point it's equally possible that this will be a standalone film.

Warners had the Superman films indefinitely shelved prior to the lawsuit and they're only making this film because of the lawsuit.

This film will have an uphill climb at the box office with it's inevitable 200+ million budget and June box office outcomes on big budget films tend to be weak.

A lukewarm box office result may not be enough to encourage Warner Bros to greenlight a Superman sequel. WB has a history of having huge financial expectations for films like these, EX: they invested 400+ Million (including advertising) on Green Lantern expecting huge returns.


I really hope this film goes all out without intentionally trying to save stuff for sequels which may not happen. Because of the box office requirements and the lawsuit issues beyond 2013, it's possible the sequels could be headed for development hell.

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If this movie makes big bucks, and I don't see why it wouldn't, why would the studio not want to make more Superman films like it?? I think it will spawn sequels

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It better spawn sequels. I want to see the likes of Brainiac tear up the screen.

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Trilogy IMO.

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I honestly hope for more than a trilogy

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Old 02-04-2012, 11:33 PM   #6
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IMO, I think WB has the attitude of "all or nothing". Which is the best attitude to have. Besides, I'm sure the writers and execs. alike had sequels in mind when they were first approached with MOS.

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Baby steps, Kal.....baby steps. Let's work on the first trilogy first.

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Baby steps, Kal.....baby steps. Let's work on the first trilogy first.
oh I know...but if it's a success, milk it for all it's worth. As long as they don't start getting campy and cheesy. And I'm not worried about that happening. WB learned that lesson, wrong path to take

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Old 02-04-2012, 11:47 PM   #10
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But is it possible that Goyer and Nolan presented wb with a mapped out plan of their story, involving sequels?...I know Nolan likes working on one movie at a time, but maybe that only applies to him directing....I'm sure Goyer has a plan in his head about future stories

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But is it possible that Goyer and Nolan presented wb with a mapped out plan of their story, involving sequels?...I know Nolan likes working on one movie at a time, but maybe that only applies to him directing....I'm sure Goyer has a plan in his head about future stories
That's what I'm talking about. Seems like all involved with big tentpole type movies go in with the idea of more than one movie in mind, when presenting to a studio.

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That's what I'm talking about. Seems like all involved with big tentpole type movies go in with the idea of more than one movie in mind, when presenting to a studio.
Yea and I agree but maybe cause of the lawsuit they didn't.....

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thanks...with the stellar friggin cast they have, and everything so far has looked fantastic...if Snyder lets me down I'll burn his house down...j/k, but I will slash his tires

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Old 02-04-2012, 11:53 PM   #14
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When do the rights to Superman expire and go back to the Shuster/Seigel family? I thought that once Warner Bros. bought DC comics that they had their properties for life.

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If this movie makes big bucks, and I don't see why it wouldn't, why would the studio not want to make more Superman films like it?? I think it will spawn sequels

The ability for MOS to make 'big bucks' is in question.

Even if it makes slightly more than Superman Returns, it may not be enough to encourage Warners to do a sequel.

They had super high box office expectations for their previous 200+ Million films.

If this film makes major coin, it will be the first big budget summer blockbuster to accomplish that in the June timeframe.

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I certainly xan see this film becoming a sequel if this film does well, I can't wait to see the likes of Brainiac, Metallo, Darkseid, or Doomsday appear.

I would love to see Doomsday and Metallo but they aren't a "must" while Brainiac and Darkseid are definately must haves in my opinion.

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The ability for MOS to make 'big bucks' is in question.

Even if it makes slightly more than Superman Returns, it may not be enough to encourage Warners to do a sequel.

They had super high box office expectations for their previous 200+ Million films.


If this film makes major coin, it will be the first big budget summer blockbuster to accomplish that in the June timeframe.
The thing is, if MOS gets the amount of praise showered on the ST reboot and BB but earns the same amount worldwide ($390M-$450M) -- WB will definitely look into a sequel. When you have goodwill restored with BB (coupled with healthy DVD/rental sales), expect a healthy uptick in earnings with a good to superior sequel. Of course, whenever MOS comes out WB will want to lean more heavily on the theatrical grosses since DVD/Blu sales aren't as great as they were back in 2005.

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A lukewarm box office result may not be enough to encourage Warner Bros to greenlight a Superman sequel. WB has a history of having huge financial expectations for films like these, EX: they invested 400+ Million (including advertising) on Green Lantern expecting huge returns.
The thing is, with GL it was a combination of problems. WB just kept throwing money at the problem and editing the film down. They had a director inexperienced with CGI-heavy filmmaking. Lots of hands involved with the script. WB shouldered the cost by themselves, without a co-financier to ease losses (which is fine if you're doing a reliable franchise like HP but not an unproven entity like GL). Then you add in the fact that WB wanted to have the film done by June 2011 instead, and so they had to hire SPI and other companies to do the work quickly at a premium price.

MOS is a different beast altogether. The director likes to finish on time and on budget, you have producers who know what they're doing, and the fact that they're allowing plenty of time for CGI houses to turn out shots to incorporate into the film. WB isn't going to overspend on this film... I would think considering the losses they incurred on SR and the aborted projects before that movie.

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The thing is, if MOS gets the amount of praise showered on the ST reboot and BB but earns the same amount worldwide ($390M-$450M) -- WB will definitely look into a sequel. When you have goodwill restored with BB (coupled with healthy DVD/rental sales), expect a healthy uptick in earnings with a good to superior sequel. Of course, whenever MOS comes out WB will want to lean more heavily on the theatrical grosses since DVD/Blu sales aren't as great as they were back in 2005..
Star Trek and Batman Begins are different, and BB kept the production budget at 150 Mil. MoS is definitely looking at 200+ Million, just like SR.


Superman Returns was critically praised too and made 400 Mil worldwide, but it wasn't enough for Warner Bros.

They wanted Spider-Man numbers for their investment in Superman.

The financial expectations are going to be high this time too. That's the sad reality about this studio.

There is a big chance Man of Steel could underperform below what they consider enough to warrant a sequel. This combined with the fact that Warners felt they didn't even need a Superman film franchise before the lawsuit forced their hand. Robinov and the rest seemed content to have the property shelved.

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Who knows? Between the lawsuit and WB's complete lack of understanding of Superman, anything can happen.

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Star Trek and Batman Begins are different, and BB kept the production budget at 150 Mil. MoS is definitely looking at 200+ Million, just like SR.


Superman Returns was critically praised too and made 400 Mil worldwide, but it wasn't enough for Warner Bros.

They wanted Spider-Man numbers for their investment in Superman.

The financial expectations are going to be high this time too. That's the sad reality about this studio.

There is a big chance Man of Steel could underperform below what they consider enough to warrant a sequel. This combined with the fact that Warners felt they didn't even need a Superman film franchise before the lawsuit forced their hand. Robinov and the rest seemed content to have the property shelved.
I believe the estimated budget for SR was 270 million, and Singer wasn't very efficient with his spending either. The entire opening of his movie was cut, he also had quite a big piece of set built for the fortress that Lex and his peeps were suppose to walk thru to find the entrance, that ended up being deleted. Also seems like this film will have much more in film advertising, IHOP, Sears that will most likely help their budget.

SR may have been a critical success but the word of mouth on that movie was not very good. Most people were pissed at the lack of action, fans of the comic prolly saw it once and no more. The trailers showed no villain other than old man Lex.

HOnestly all that bad stuff just makes me more confident in this movie. If a movie with No villain, no action, a very unknown actor playing superman can make 400 million, then i have confidence this can do even better. Dont forget that Nolan's name all over trailers and posters will just help its chances. Higher ticket prices for IMAX is another thing to keep in mind. Just seems like MOS has a lot more going for it then i remember SR having.

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If MOS turns out be the success that Warner Bros are hoping for, then there's no way that they'd give up on using the character.

Honestly, there's nothing that's been given so far imho that indicates that this film will fail or do lukewarm at the BO imho.

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If there were to be sequels, what are the chances of Nolan and Snyder returning?

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I hope Snyder would return...I'm ready for Nolan to hang up comic book movies

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I really really want more than one film with Cavill as Superman, especially because this is an origin exploring things we haven't seen before.

We're missing Jimmy, Lex and probably won't see much of Clark working at the DP or Superman as an established hero in the city.

We need a sequel for all of that

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Warners had the Superman films indefinitely shelved prior to the lawsuit and they're only making this film because of the lawsuit.
I seriously do not agree with this.

Goyer had an idea, Nolan presented it. Warners thought it would work, and on we go.

You really think that wouldn't have happened if there was no lawsuit?

The lawsuit is certainly something that made them eager to get a Superman movie out asap, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have made one otherwise.

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Agreed, I don't see the need for Chris anymore after this film, but I wouldn't mind if he wanted to come back. As for Snyder, I hope he'll return, but I don't think he will. IIRC, the only time he was offered a sequel was for 300 and I think he passed on that, but since this a major CBM I could see he could be tempted to return.

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