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Old 02-05-2012, 06:38 AM   #26
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Agreed, I don't see the need for Chris anymore after this film, but I wouldn't mind if he wanted to come back. As for Snyder, I hope he'll return, but I don't think he will. IIRC, the only time he was offered a sequel was for 300 and I think he passed on that, but since this a major CBM I could see he could be tempted to return.
I REALLY hope Snyder comes back for a sequel...

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I can't see this film having a colossal budget. Superman Returns had a production budget of $210 million and that film used far more CGI than what appears to be in Man of Steel. I'd say a more likely estimate would be around $185 million. So if the film can get around $350 million in returns, which seems likely with the whole "Inception, Dark Knight trilogy and 300" brand power, it should get a sequel.

Green Lantern had a whole host of problems, not least of all its $310 million budget. It had four writers, writing four sections of the story, leading to poor development and plot, it tried to be like Iron Man, but it got the balance of comedy and responsibility backwards leading to a jackass being given omnipotence rather than a man who had been changed from a jackass. It had a director who was relatively inexperienced with heavy CGI work.

All in all, from what we can see so far, we've got a story from writers who we know can deliver (C. Nolan & Goyer), a script from a man who can deliver (J. Nolan) and a director who can provide spectacular visuals and good trailers (Snyder). Combine that with the name power, and a teaser with either Spider-Man, Avengers or Batman and a trailer with The Hobbit and they should be on to success.

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I can't see this film having a colossal budget. Superman Returns had a production budget of $210 million and that film used far more CGI than what appears to be in Man of Steel. I'd say a more likely estimate would be around $185 million. So if the film can get around $350 million in returns, which seems likely with the whole "Inception, Dark Knight trilogy and 300" brand power, it should get a sequel.

Green Lantern had a whole host of problems, not least of all its $310 million budget. It had four writers, writing four sections of the story, leading to poor development and plot, it tried to be like Iron Man, but it got the balance of comedy and responsibility backwards leading to a jackass being given omnipotence rather than a man who had been changed from a jackass. It had a director who was relatively inexperienced with heavy CGI work.

All in all, from what we can see so far, we've got a story from writers who we know can deliver (C. Nolan & Goyer), a script from a man who can deliver (J. Nolan) and a director who can provide spectacular visuals and good trailers (Snyder). Combine that with the name power, and a teaser with either Spider-Man, Avengers or Batman and a trailer with The Hobbit and they should be on to success.
the budget is listed at $175 million

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Old 02-05-2012, 11:46 AM   #29
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I seriously do not agree with this.

Goyer had an idea, Nolan presented it. Warners thought it would work, and on we go.

You really think that wouldn't have happened if there was no lawsuit?

The lawsuit is certainly something that made them eager to get a Superman movie out asap, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have made one otherwise.

It was presented because the studio needed a Superman movie after the lawsuit hearing.

Horn testified under oath that the film franchise was shelved prior to the order.

Warners weren't interested in doing another Superman until they were forced into it. They were in the position where they needed a Superman film because of the lawsuit when Goyer and Nolan came up with their idea.


The lawsuit is the reason we're getting MoS, even the trades reported that.



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the budget is listed at $175 million
It will climb towards the end of production and postproduction, bank on it. Especially with Legendary and the other partners involved.

SR's budget was originally supposed to be there, but went to south of $200 million as Singer reported at Wondercon.

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Most parties probably want MOS to be the start of a franchise. But it should be (and Iím guessing it has been) approached as a stand-alone. Think Batman Begins. The Joker tease at the end promises further adventures. But if TDK had never been made, BB is still totally self-contained and works just fine.

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I can't see this film having a colossal budget. Superman Returns had a production budget of $210 million and that film used far more CGI than what appears to be in Man of Steel. .
I see it as completely the opposite, MoS seems to have lots of Snyder greenscreen, mo-cap and probably way more action sequences. There's going to be much more effects required in the long run with Warners approaching this as an action-driven Superman movie. There's supervillians to fight, and they have to create Krypton too.

There's going to be a hefty budget required for all this, especially factoring in all the locations they've used and whatnot. At least south of 200+ mil by the end.

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Superman Returns little to no practical effects. Not even shots of Brandon in a flying rig and it's very clear to see, a CGI Marlon Brando, a CGI shirt rip and despite naysayers, Superman Returns did have action scenes, the plane scene, the boat scene, the DP globe and not to mention other CGI heavy scenes like the growth of New Krypton. Singer used $10 million on a scene that really didn't look like it should've cost $10 million. He was, all in all, relatively poor when it came to utilising his CGI and directing the arthouses.

Snyder on the other hand is an expert at this, it's the area in which he excels most. Using mo-cap actually decreases the amount of CGI necessary as you follow the movement of the suit, not create your own (ala Green Lantern). Plus Snyder seems to be using many physical sets, as seen with Smallville and the oil rig etc, which will decrease the cost. Also, as of yet, we have no idea whether Krypton will be on a sound stage or crafted by blue screen, but even if it is, Snyder could still get it done cheaply, the majority of the film 300 was in front of blue screen and I can't remember, but I think Watchmen had a lot of blue screen too as well as action scenes, Snyder will get this film done in $200 million or less, I am certain of that.

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It was presented because the studio needed a Superman movie after the lawsuit hearing.

Horn testified under oath that the film franchise was shelved prior to the order.

Warners weren't interested in doing another Superman until they were forced into it. They were in the position where they needed a Superman film because of the lawsuit when Goyer and Nolan came up with their idea.

The lawsuit is the reason we're getting MoS, even the trades reported that.
Huh, didn't know any of that...

If that's the case, then they are bloody stupid.

Because as far as I can see, this is the perfect time for a Superman reboot of this kind... And they'd really have been missing out if they hadn't any intention of doing one without the lawsuits insentive.


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If this movie makes big bucks, and I don't see why it wouldn't, why would the studio not want to make more Superman films like it?? I think it will spawn sequels
Yeah exactly what I was gonna say. If its a box office success its sure to spawn sequels.

I'm sure as a film it will stand alone but that doesn't mean that it can't lay some seeds for a sequel.

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Agreed, I don't see the need for Chris anymore after this film, but I wouldn't mind if he wanted to come back. As for Snyder, I hope he'll return, but I don't think he will. IIRC, the only time he was offered a sequel was for 300 and I think he passed on that, but since this a major CBM I could see he could be tempted to return.
The one thing we don't want though is for Snyder to be in complete charge. If MOS is the awesome film I think its going to be I would want Goyer and Nolan to come back to work on a script and as producer for sure.

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I see your point, but I think as long as they have Goyer and J. Nolan on board for sequels I think they could do good without Christopher's involvement. But like I said I wouldn't mind it if he came back as producer for sequels.

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Yeah exactly what I was gonna say. If its a box office success its sure to spawn sequels.

I'm sure as a film it will stand alone but that doesn't mean that it can't lay some seeds for a sequel.
exactly. The next Superman movie doesn't have to be a direct sequel to the story being told in this movie like Quantum of Solace was a direct sequel to Casino Royale.

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the budget is listed at $175 million
That was announced before WB actually kicked MOS into high gear, with Snyder directing. Then add in the pricey CGI houses like WETA and Double Negative working on it, and I think the official budget WB would outright say would be in the ballpark of $185M-$195M, factoring in tax incentives and such. I would be shocked if Snyder actually delivered the final film around $175M...

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Snyder, maybe. If he loved the whole experience (it seems from the set photos he has) and if he got the right script for a sequel. Nolan, I honestly don't know. I don't think he and Goyer would write a treatment for a sequel. Nolan and his wife will probably just give notes on the story and be more passive producers.

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I see your point, but I think as long as they have Goyer and J. Nolan on board for sequels I think they could do good without Christopher's involvement. But like I said I wouldn't mind it if he came back as producer for sequels.
J. Nolan isnt involved in this script and screenplay, thats all being written by just Goyer, like Batman Begins. J. Nolan never came into screenplay until TDK.
I think Nolan should stay on board. Zack Snyder has alot of good attributes, but also has too many flaws. Watchman had great visual style but also flawed especially with too much repeated use of slow motion among other things. Hes good potential, but if this movie is to be really good I wouldnt give Superman to him entirely

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Truth be told, it's only because Nolan is involved in this from a creative end that I feel comfortable with MOS. Snyder is a great visual story teller, but I don't think much of him as a great storyteller in general. I mean, his previous films where he was in charge of the story weren't received as well, and Goyer..I think he's great when he has someone like Nolan to work with in order to support and tighten up his stories.

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I agree.

It's weird because Zack Snyder is one of my favourite directors. '300' and 'Watchmen' hold two of the spots in my Top 5 movies of all time... So I obviously love his style.

And yet when directors names where being thrown around, I HATED the idea of Snyder. Because I kept picturing a cgi heavy, stylised film with loads of fantasy stuff crammed into it. It's only since listening to him talk about it, that my fear of that has mostly gone away.

The funny thing is, I like Nolan's films as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't be so happy if I knew this movie was solely his idea, or he was directing. I'd be afraid it'd be too serious, too detatched.

It is the combination of people that has me excited.

David Goyer's idea (because I think we works really well as an ideas man, and he knows and loves the comics)

Nolan's contriubution and help with said idea, and commitment to it's production, overlooking it's quality.

Synder's flair for stunning visuals, casting choices and ability to bring out 'hearty' performances from his actors (if that word makes sense , it's just the best one I can think of to describe what I mean).

Additional contributions from other writers giving the script a polish.

Now that's a winning combination


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300 is in your top 5 movies of all time?

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Yup. My top 5 movies of all time are In Bruges, Watchmen, 300, TDK and Donnie Darko. I think they are all incredible.

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J. Nolan isnt involved in this script and screenplay, thats all being written by just Goyer, like Batman Begins. J. Nolan never came into screenplay until TDK.
I think Nolan should stay on board. Zack Snyder has alot of good attributes, but also has too many flaws. Watchman had great visual style but also flawed especially with too much repeated use of slow motion among other things. Hes good potential, but if this movie is to be really good I wouldnt give Superman to him entirely
Jonah was heavily involved in the rewriting of Goyer's MOS script. Trusted insiders like gillberg have even confirmed it. Also, Chris Nolan gave Goyer's Begins script a heavy rewrite as well.

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Truth be told, it's only because Nolan is involved in this from a creative end that I feel comfortable with MOS. Snyder is a great visual story teller, but I don't think much of him as a great storyteller in general. I mean, his previous films where he was in charge of the story weren't received as well, and Goyer..I think he's great when he has someone like Nolan to work with in order to support and tighten up his stories.
I agree with everything. Snyder alone doesn't sound too good for me, even less Goyer alone.

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why would any comic book franchise be setup to be a trilogy? It's not the Matrix. It's not one story.

It should be a standalone movie, where there is a beginning to an end, where the villian is defeated. A trilogy constitutes to one villian
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Yup. My top 5 movies of all time are In Bruges, Watchmen, 300, TDK and Donnie Darko. I think they are all incredible.
They are good films

Anyway MoS should be done as a standalone film. Put all effort into making this the best it can be. If it's great and successful, then think about sequels.

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Anyway MoS should be done as a standalone film. Put all effort into making this the best it can be. If it's great and successful, then think about sequels.
I agree. I mean, I don't want them holding anything back because they want to save the 'really good stuff' for the sequel.

No, really blow this one out of the water. By the time a sequel comes around I'm sure there will be a way to achieve something even better

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whether or not they hope for sequels, i dont think you should ever make a film expecting one.

i liked bryan singers first x-men movie, and superman returns. but i do believe both those movies were held back by the fact he was expecting to make sequels.

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I don't want a trilogy, I want many films just like the HP films. Maybe start with trilogy, after that a part one and part 2......why does it just have to be a trilogy? If MOS is a success, why be limited to just a trilogy? Superman has a vast array of stories to be told....there's just so much potential to really, truly break the chains off, and really become something special

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