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Old 02-07-2012, 02:21 PM   #1
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By now I am pretty sure we all saw the Avengers trailer during the Super Bowl. We know the main Cast of Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury and The Hulk. Now my question is (and this is just for a fun thought) When the Team Expands and it will. Who will be first?

I mean will it go the way of Ant Man and Wasp and explore the relationship between the two. Along with Pym's dislike for Dr Banner?

Could we see Ms. Marvel. And a fight for the Leadership role of the Team with her and he maybe working for S.H.I.E.L.D

Could it be Black Panther and the incorporation of his Kingdom?

Could we see Scarlet Witch and her Brother Quicksilver as part of the team

And on the other side of the Coin. Who would be the villain?

Could it be someone else from Thor's realm? Like the Enchantress?

Or if they bring in Panther. Could they work in someone like Ulysses Klaw?

Or could it be a all out Superhero brawl with a Team like the Wrecking Crew or The Masters of Evil?

Or Could we see Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver as part of a Villain team?

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Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are under the X-Men banner. Only Fox can use them. Ant-Man is being developed by Edgar Wright outside of the MCU, as I understand.

I suspect/would like to see Dr. Strange, Black Panther and Ms. Marvel, that would make me happiest. Ms Marvel is a little questionable, since her story is based on Captain Marvel's story, and that's a bit of a cheesy movie title, especially for a company well known as "Marvel."

I don't think Klaw works as an Avengers level threat. If they aren't doing the Kree-Skrull War for the sequel, it might be good to see Graviton or Thanos.

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I would like to see them add Panther and I'm ok with Ms. Marvel as long as it ties in with Mar-Vel. If the first Avengers is a lead up to Thanos then I could see the possibility of Mar-Vel making an appearance as the sequel would be the gateway to all things cosmic for Marvel. As another poster suggested you could incorporate the death of Captain Marvel to the Avengers sequel. Thanos, the Avengers, and Mar-Vel feature heavily in it and you get Ms.Marvel getting her powers.

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Its time for Hank and Janet.

In fact, as much as I love the SuperBowl spot and don't mind Hawkeye and BW's inclusion, part of me sorta wishes it was them there instead...

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Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are under the X-Men banner. Only Fox can use them. Ant-Man is being developed by Edgar Wright outside of the MCU, as I understand.

I suspect/would like to see Dr. Strange, Black Panther and Ms. Marvel, that would make me happiest. Ms Marvel is a little questionable, since her story is based on Captain Marvel's story, and that's a bit of a cheesy movie title, especially for a company well known as "Marvel."

I don't think Klaw works as an Avengers level threat. If they aren't doing the Kree-Skrull War for the sequel, it might be good to see Graviton or Thanos.
Not exactly, in fact fans have been discussing for long if FOX really ouns them

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Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are under the X-Men banner. Only Fox can use them. Ant-Man is being developed by Edgar Wright outside of the MCU, as I understand.

I suspect/would like to see Dr. Strange, Black Panther and Ms. Marvel, that would make me happiest. Ms Marvel is a little questionable, since her story is based on Captain Marvel's story, and that's a bit of a cheesy movie title, especially for a company well known as "Marvel."

I don't think Klaw works as an Avengers level threat. If they aren't doing the Kree-Skrull War for the sequel, it might be good to see Graviton or Thanos.
Not saying Klaw was an Avengers level threat, but he was a big Panther enemy. With that said its what could tie in Panther with the Avengers

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Remember this idea is not just about the few I names. There are so many heroes the Avengers could bring in. Throw some ideas out! I am sure someone here knows the roster

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I would like to see them add Panther and I'm ok with Ms. Marvel as long as it ties in with Mar-Vel. If the first Avengers is a lead up to Thanos then I could see the possibility of Mar-Vel making an appearance as the sequel would be the gateway to all things cosmic for Marvel. As another poster suggested you could incorporate the death of Captain Marvel to the Avengers sequel. Thanos, the Avengers, and Mar-Vel feature heavily in it and you get Ms.Marvel getting her powers.
I don't think introducing characters in a team up movie is a good idea. It makes for a slow story, and dilutes the coolness of the team up concept.


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Not exactly, in fact fans have been discussing for long if FOX really ouns them
Fans discuss many things, but Fox has the rights to all things X-Men. Some people got excited that Cable was rumored to be in Marvel's possession. So they held out hope that more characters were free, but Quicksilver cameoed in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. He's off limits, and you can bet Scarlet Witch is too.

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Not saying Klaw was an Avengers level threat, but he was a big Panther enemy. With that said its what could tie in Panther with the Avengers
Oh! Well, I think Klaw should be the villain in a Black Panther movie, and like Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man, he should tie into the avengers because he meets Nick Fury after the credits.

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Remember this idea is not just about the few I names. There are so many heroes the Avengers could bring in. Throw some ideas out! I am sure someone here knows the roster
The only ones I'd want to see are:
Giant Man and Wasp (don't think it's gonna happen)
Ms Marvel (don't think it's gonna happen)
Black Panther
Dr. Strange (depending on how he's done)

I'm not really interested in seeing anyone else in that squad, in fact, I would prefer they weren't.


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Introducing new characters in a team worked in X2 for instance. We got Nightcrawler featured nicely at the start. In my proposal you get Danvers turning into Ms.Marvel at the end maybe helping save the day. I don't know, I think it can be done and not make a story slow.

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Fans discuss many things, but Fox has the rights to all things X-Men. Some people got excited that Cable was rumored to be in Marvel's possession. So they held out hope that more characters were free, but Quicksilver cameoed in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. He's off limits, and you can bet Scarlet Witch is too.
He didn't make a cameo in Wolverine, that guy was a mutant that in the comics had the appearance of a bird, so why didn't they use Quicksilver instead of changing the origin of another mutant? Probably because Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch don't belong to FOX, they even appeared in more avengers comics and x-men ones, and Cable belongs to Marvel Studios for some reason

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Yeah pretty sure they've been in more Avengers related stories than anything X related. They probably just can't call them mutants.

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Old 02-07-2012, 06:26 PM   #12
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Introducing new characters in a team worked in X2 for instance. We got Nightcrawler featured nicely at the start. In my proposal you get Danvers turning into Ms.Marvel at the end maybe helping save the day. I don't know, I think it can be done and not make a story slow.
I think it works with X-Men because A) X-Men is not a team up movie so there's no team up feel to ruin and B) you don't have to explain how people get their powers and slow down the story

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He didn't make a cameo in Wolverine, that guy was a mutant that in the comics had the appearance of a bird, so why didn't they use Quicksilver instead of changing the origin of another mutant? Probably because Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch don't belong to FOX, they even appeared in more avengers comics and x-men ones, and Cable belongs to Marvel Studios for some reason
No sir, the speedster with white hair and a human face was *not* the flier with no hair and a bird face. There's no way to get those two confused. Also, when did changing the origin of a mutant become an issue with Fox, because they did that for every single character.

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The movie loses the team up novelty in a sequel for me. There's no need to spend anymore time in the recruiting/ learning how to get along themes. They're already a team. The next movie goes straight into whatever the next story will be. I don't see a problem in incorporating a new members origin into a new story and I don't see any slowdown if it is part of said story.

By the way, just spitballin. I would much rather have a solo Mar-Vell movie but that wouldn't happen anytime soon if ever.

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For me it's A:2 - Black Panther, Pym and Janet. And the. A:3 - The Vision. I wouldn't mind if they some how managed to put in Ms. Marvel but BP and Pym IMO are essential.

It'd be awesome if we got a roster similar to Next Avengers:


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For me it's A:2 - Black Panther, Pym and Janet. And the. A:3 - The Vision. I wouldn't mind if they some how managed to put in Ms. Marvel but BP and Pym IMO are essential.

It'd be awesome if we got a roster similar to Next Avengers:

Here, here! These are my favorites. The only thing I'd change would be Scarlet Witch in place of BW. She would even be standing in the right place.

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The movie loses the team up novelty in a sequel for me. There's no need to spend anymore time in the recruiting/ learning how to get along themes. They're already a team. The next movie goes straight into whatever the next story will be. I don't see a problem in incorporating a new members origin into a new story and I don't see any slowdown if it is part of said story.

By the way, just spitballin. I would much rather have a solo Mar-Vell movie but that wouldn't happen anytime soon if ever.
I guess I see what you're saying. If the story was about the Kree, then Ms. Marvel's origin could be part of the story, instead of detracting from the story. I could see that, actually. Could be fun even.

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For me it's A:2 - Black Panther, Pym and Janet. And the. A:3 - The Vision. I wouldn't mind if they some how managed to put in Ms. Marvel but BP and Pym IMO are essential.

It'd be awesome if we got a roster similar to Next Avengers:

That would be beyond awesome. I honestly think Pym should bring Vision with him. If Pym has a solo movie, that introduces Janet and Ultron, so Jan can come with him to A2 where Vision can start out as an AI monitoring system and holographic projection, perhaps based on Ultron in some way. Little exposition needed as Pym has the capabilities to make that happen.

Still, all reports point to Edgar Wright's Pym being out of continuity with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is, in a word, too bad.

For me, in A3, I'd like to see modern agers like Dr. Strange, Sentry, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Ronin and Rick Jones. That would rock my socks, assuming, of course, there was a Dr. Strange and Heroes for Hire Movie done, and Sentry tied directly into the story.

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For me it's A:2 - Black Panther, Pym and Janet. And the. A:3 - The Vision. I wouldn't mind if they some how managed to put in Ms. Marvel but BP and Pym IMO are essential.

It'd be awesome if we got a roster similar to Next Avengers:


You were the first to mention Vision. Anyone think he would work into the sequel well? I mean without Pym and Wasp. Of course bringing in Pym and Wasp would make all signs point to Ultron as the Villain

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Vision has to come after the Pyms not before. I hate when I hear people willing to credit Stark with creating Vision or Ultron.

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Vision has to come after the Pyms not before. I hate when I hear people willing to credit Stark with creating Vision or Ultron.
That better not happen!! But I was just throwing it out there

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Guys, I hate to rain bad news, but I really don't think the Pyms can/will be in the Avengers franchise. Edgar Wright's Ant-Man.

I personally wouldn't mind Vision being a product of Tony Stark, if and only if the Pyms aren't available. There's an interesting conflagration there between Vision, Iron Man, Iron Lad and Kang that might be interesting to build to. I really don't see a point in Ultron beyond being Pym's villain, and really wonder who people think Pym will fight if Ultron is an Avengers villain in the MCU. Alternately, even if Wright's Ant-Man is set in the 60s, Kang (A3?) might be an interesting way to bring him into the modern MCU anyway.

To me, Vision is unavoidable in Avengers. They have to have some sort of monitoring system AI. Making it something other than Vision, to me, seems a bit silly.

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Yeah, I think Vision would be pretty sweet. I like the idea of him eventually showing up as it would be something new but obviously goes well with his place in Avengers continuity. I think they should just stick with the classics but if they can find ways to squeeze in others than I'll be along for the ride. But that "crammed" feeling should be avoided:

Hank and Janet
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Simple yet effective due to their history with the team. Not to mention they can incorporate the BP and Antman franchise and then have Vision along with Ultron. It all works out really.

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Ok does making Vision or Ultron a Stark produce turn the sequel into an Iron Man movie? Also does it force them to Bring in Wonder Man to take over The Vision's body? I mean the Ultron idea could be done because Ultron's change was a matter of his understanding of his laws.

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I think they have to expand the roster in case some of the actors decide they don't want to do tehm anyore. happens all the time. If there is a second AVENGERS movie I expect several cameos by heroes setting them up for bigger roles later on if needed.

And maybe unpopular but I cannot see Ant-man or Wasp being taken seriously by the general public as one of EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES. Avengersphiles and comic book geeks maybe but not the average movie goer that you have to attract

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Good thing this is a team movie and don't have to bank on two characters to attract the GA.

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