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Old 02-11-2012, 06:23 AM   #1
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Default I can only hope there are plans to include Spiderman

I really hope for one of the Avengers movies they choose to include Spiderman. Yes, I know he wasn't in them very much or long but in my humble opinion I think it would rock!

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Old 02-11-2012, 03:57 PM   #2
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With the current reboot, I highly doubt Marvel will be getting any Spider-Man related characters back soon. I am a huge fan of The Avengers comics, but frankly, I find it all to be watered down. I would think a way to do the avengers a solid representation would be to have the principle cast be THE team, and have characters essential to the story show up in assistance. If you want to sub Hulk (assuming he goes nuts and isn't a part of the team by the end of A1) then cool, but I don'tthink you can make future Avengers movies starring 15-20 different heroes. Quality over quantity.

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Old 02-13-2012, 11:19 AM   #3
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Yeah, legally, Marvel sold the 'movie rights' for Spider-Man, and all things Spidey to Sony twelve years ago. Until Sony stops making Spider-Man movies, he can't be part of the Avengers, or Sony can sue Marvel for breaching their contract/breaking their promise.

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Old 02-13-2012, 02:54 PM   #4
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Even Marvel had the rights I'd have no interest in Spidey being in an Avengers movie other than maybe in a cameo role. He's just one of those guys that works in his own universe best.

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Old 02-13-2012, 02:56 PM   #5
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Although a Wolverine/Spider-Man team up movie would be pretty amazing if done the right way in staying close to the comics!

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Old 03-13-2012, 08:29 PM   #6
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Um, no. Hate Spidey in the Avengers.

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Old 03-13-2012, 08:42 PM   #7
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Here's what I don't get. Obviously both sides (Marvel and Sony) must realize that an Avengers movie with (the new) Spider-man in it would make *** loads of money. Why not agree to work together on such a movie and split the earnings?

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Because they both would want a bigger slice of the pie, and couldn't come to an agreement.
Because Sony doesn't needs Avengers to make a boatload of money (the previous Spidey franchise outpaced the MCU)
Because Marvel wants to expose characters other than Spider-Man for the future of their brand
Because they stand to make more money by releasing to separate movies that gross 300-500M each, rather than one movie that grosses 400-600M.
Because they don't like each other

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In other words stupidity. Still, a movie with Iron Man, and Spider-man in it would break the bank. Easily go over a billion. For that kind of money, the should work it out.

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Old 03-13-2012, 11:17 PM   #10
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Who is this "Spider-man" you refer to? The Raimi Spider-man? The TASM reboot Spider-man who isn't even out? Including the latter would require creative involvement of another studio, including access to content for a movie yet to be released. Including the former would defeat the purpose for Sony.

There really is no way either side would ever agree to it. Marvel would, at best, gain an extra chunk of gross in exchange for losing creative control over their own franchise, as Sony could withdraw agreement whenever they wanted. And that is assuming Sony didn't insist on payment as well, which would defeat the point of the extra gross.

Meanwhile, Marvel would effectively be paying for free promotion of someone else's movie, presuming they used the TASM Spider-man.

And this is all presuming that including Spider-man would actually provide a significant increase in revenue, which is not at all certain. Yes, Spider-man is popular, but so is Iron Man. Are there actually a lot of Spider-man fans to be brought in, who'd not otherwise be seeing the movie for one of its other characters? There is no way to tell.

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^This. Most people who like one like the other. Putting them together doesn't double the gross (much less triple it a billion (cue Dr. Evil pinkie) dollars), cuz almost all of Iron Man's fans are also Spider-Man fans.

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Bottom Line: No Spider-Man in Avengers pretty much ever.

I am okay with that.

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Old 03-14-2012, 01:24 AM   #13
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cuz almost all of Iron Man's fans are also Spider-Man fans.
Hardly.

An Avengers movie with Spider-Man would definitely bigger then one without. Nobody knows how much bigger, but bigger no doubt.


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Old 03-14-2012, 01:29 AM   #14
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I hope I NEVER see Spiderman or Wolverine on an Avengers roster outside of the comic (that also should have never happened).

Nor should we EVER see either one in the Fantastic Four.

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Old 03-14-2012, 01:39 AM   #15
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I hope I NEVER see Spiderman or Wolverine on an Avengers roster outside of the comic (that also should have never happened).

Nor should we EVER see either one in the Fantastic Four.
And yet we have....

I'm in agreement with you. Peter is a loner and his universe is big enough on it's own.

But all this doesn't change the fact that if you put Spider-Man or Wolverine in an Avengers film then it would definitely be bigger. Hell, I'd put my money on a Spider-Man and Wolverine team-up at the box office vs. The Avengers. I'd put my money on TASM vs. the Avengers if TDKR wasn't out 17 days later. That is no slight to the Avengers, it will be massive enough without them.

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I hope I NEVER see Spiderman or Wolverine on an Avengers roster outside of the comic (that also should have never happened).

Nor should we EVER see either one in the Fantastic Four.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:29 AM   #17
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I hope I NEVER see Spiderman or Wolverine on an Avengers roster outside of the comic (that also should have never happened).

Nor should we EVER see either one in the Fantastic Four.
Yep, totally agree. Many fans complain about the current Avengers movie could look like Iron Man and his amazing friend. How do we call a Avengers/Spidy Crossover?

Spidy works fantastic in his own franchise. He works in Avengers comics (even if I don't need it). Please let it as it is.

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Old 03-14-2012, 10:33 PM   #18
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I hope I NEVER see Spiderman or Wolverine on an Avengers roster outside of the comic (that also should have never happened).

Nor should we EVER see either one in the Fantastic Four.
I somewhat disagree.. Spiderman needs to be in his own situations with his own villians but can still operate in the MCU universe like THE ULTIMATE SPIDERMAN CARTOON which from my understanding is based on the TASM reboot but has Fury and Agent Coulsten involved monitoring Spidey.. Maybe The Avengers if they're being mentioned in the press they could be covered by a random reporter from the Daily Bugle or a similar Easter Egg just to say they share the same air though not in the same place or situation.

The Fantastic Four on the other hand could interact with the Avengers a little more being both teams deal with more powerful and cosmic threats as have been done in the Comic Books.

Wolverine?? No X-Men and mutants are doing just fine in their own universe but I'd like Spiderman, FF and Daredevil to share the MCU

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I think they should share a universe, too. Spider-man just doesn't belong on the Avengers.

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I want my Avengers Spider free.
That's how my father read them-
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And it worked pretty well, until Bendis decided otherwise.

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Hardly.

An Avengers movie with Spider-Man would definitely bigger then one without. Nobody knows how much bigger, but bigger no doubt.
It's not like comics where some people like these characters and some like others. People who like Superhero movies tend to like all the (good) superhero movies. It wouldn't be much bigger at all.

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Old 03-15-2012, 02:47 PM   #22
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Of course it would. All three Spider-Man films would come close, if not exceed a billion if you consider inflation (two of them probably would exceed - the first one definitely). And that is not factoring in today's expanded markets. None of the individual heroes in the Avengers touch that.

Was Cap not a good film? Or Thor? If you do consider them good then where did that extra $500 + million go?

Characters are brands. And the Spider-Man brand is bigger then anything the characters in The Avengers have to offer. Some are complaining about too much Iron Man in the ad campaigns, but I guarantee that if Spider-Man were in this the adds would come off as Spider-Man & his Amazing Friends. And a large faction of the GA would see it that way.

I'm not saying the gross would double, the sheer scope and build up for the Avengers puts it in a unique situation. It will be around or exceed a billion I'm sure. But Spider-Man (or Wolverine) would give it a really strong kick in the a-- at the box office no doubt. What that equates to in profit we'll never know obviously. To think otherwise is delusion.


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And it worked pretty well, until Bendis decided otherwise.






Um, Im guessing You nor your father read many Marvel comics.... I could post issues for days but, you get the point

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There is a difference between a guest star or crossover, and being an actual member of the team. Particularly since the writers will never let Avengers membership change Spider-man's own personal status quo, thus making his member a giant gaping plot hole.

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There is a difference between a guest star or crossover, and being an actual member of the team. Particularly since the writers will never let Avengers membership change Spider-man's own personal status quo, thus making his member a giant gaping plot hole.
Ok now that thats clarified, I agree He should never be a Member of the Avengers (In The Movies). But I do think he should be in the expanded MCU and Marvel Studios should have the ability to utilize Spiderman related stuff like The Daily Bugle in the overall MCU as well in Spiderman itself. He should be on S.H.E.I.L.D's radar though not part of the initiative due to his young age. I'm wishing on a star cause we won't have that hurdle if Sony either sold the rights back or allow it to be utilized. It's a WIN for everybody IMO

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