State Your Opinion on A DC Character - Part 3

[BLACKVULCAN]

me i dig Steve T. yeah he was pretty much a dude in distress all the time, but i dug that he was like the other Steve, "Steve rogers" without the super solider serum. he still would charge into &^%$# cause he had to beat the hell outta some Nazis!!( Nazis deserve that!!) yeah. WW would have to come save him, but he was still "I'm the dude" and i will order for you when we go out without powers! I always and will continue to see WW as asexual( which is really weird giving her creators origin and all the porn you can see involving her costume. She to me is about strictly kicking ass and taking name. The best trevor i saw was on Justice league animated ( thats why that cartoon will always be the stuff of legends) where he had gotten all old and feeble and he still had to see his "angel." if anybody i would to see her like that with a shrivel up old dude. it shows even more that she can look past all this bull*&^%$ that us normal humans cant, and she's hehe wonderful!That's cool!!

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by Mystirious

I think that bdsm relationships are mainly about trust. I submit to my girlfriend, trusting that she'll respect the boundaries set in place, that when/if the safe word is used she'll respect that as well. As a submissive I'm happy to give her power over me because I know she won't abuse that trust.

It's about power and dominance but its also equally about trust and respect. Real bdsm relationships definitely aren't like the kind you see in adult movies, except superficially

Exactly.

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

It's funny seeing these old fossils stuck in the past, not accepting character development or progression if it is different to how they like them.

YES! All characters should stay exactly how they were when they were created!

Well, It's more like all characters should stay exactly how they were when I liked them best.

[Mystirious]

And also that apart from Perez, Jiminez, Rucka and some of Simone's run, pretty much evrything else since the golden age stories has been either mediocre or terrible

[Anubis]

Movin' on.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

"Ohhh, I just love the way she slaps my ass and makes me call her Mistress."

Artemis

[KingMob]

That pose. is. awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

(Psst, Nubsterbutt! It's spelled "Artemis.")

I like her. Or, I guess I should say I liked her. She was cool when she was wholly devoted to Diana but had a much more aggressive approach to the Amazons' mission. I don't know what she's like in the new reality.

[iwtv]

I don't who this chick is, so I wiki'ed her... Damn, check out the phallus she's sporting on her wikipedia page!

edit: TheCorpulent1, love your avatar

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by Anubis

I think the word inferior is the thing that's causing the problems. It's dominance, not inferiority. There's a difference.

One of the key aspects of BDSM is dominance and submissiveness. Some would say that the subs have the most power because they allow themselves to be dominated. In effect, Trevor was Marston. A man who allowed himself to be dominated by the ultimate woman.

As it has been said, he was a man's man. Tough. Brave. All that s**t. Yet he was submissive to Wonder Woman. Sure, she was far more powerful being, but their relationship is more than a simple brute strength thing. It's far more complicated than people give it credit. Personally, I think all of you missed the point.

Maybe it's a poor word choice on my part regarding Wonder Woman, but the same thing holds true for all male civilian love interests in superhero comics. Male comics fans just cannot accept a superheroine being satisfied by a normal man, but they can accept a superhero being with a normal woman. It's not just Steve Trevor, it's all of them.

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

It's funny seeing these old fossils stuck in the past, not accepting character development or progression if it is different to how they like them.

YES! All characters should stay exactly how they were when they were created!

1. Pretty sure personal insults are against the hype TOS.
2. TruerToTheCore is quite a bit younger than I am, and I am 43, hardly a fossil and nowhere near old enough to have grown up reading the original Wonder Woman comics. Just because I study and respect comics history, that does not make me a fossil.
3. It is my personal opinion that all characters should be kept true to their creators intentions and handled in a manner consistent with the spirit of their creators, and that is why I feel corporate comics have a lack of integrity. Imagine some hack handling Calvin and Hobbes because Bill Watterson did not have control of the strip. Or someone else doing famous manga series like Ranma 1/2 or Dragon Ball. What you characterize as "development and growth" ™ can also be characterized as a sellout.

This doesn't mean that corporately controlled characters can't change and grow, but the question that is never asked and needs to be always asked is "how would the character's creators respond to this idea?" If the answer is they most likely would not like it, then it is surely a bad idea. It's why Bob Kane told Tim Burton that Bruce Wayne should not beg and cower before the Joker in Batman 89. In the case of Wonder Woman, she was a huge success when Marston was alive and a consistent failure since. So looking towards the one period of extended success the character has had for a clue as to how to make her work is not a bad idea at all.

As for Artemis, I like her. She's easily the best of the warrior chick bunch from the 90's along with Maxima.

[HighFivingMF]

I'm indifferent on her. But that picture... Who the **** drew that?

[Mystirious]

I Artemis a lot she's a pretty fab lady and I really liked her leading the Amazons with Phillipus when Hippolyta stepped down as queen

I totally ship her with Wonder Woman too but I'm sure that goes without saying

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

I'm indifferent on her. But that picture... Who the **** drew that?

Mike Deodato I think.

[Oberon sexton]

Artemis is pretty great, my personal fave of those wacky Amazons, love her confident personality . Plus Deodato's work with the character is all sorts of awesome

[Mystirious]

She's a close second after Phillipus for me

[The Question]

Originally Posted by Mystirious

Like Kurosawa has said before, the character needs to be marketed towards the lgbt and fetish communities. As a member of both, I know I would love her even more if she were

How do you mean marketed? Because I can imagine that becoming painfully gimmicky.

[BLACKVULCAN]

HOLY CASABA MELONS BATMAN!!!
Man! that chick is

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

outta that outfit!! other than never dug her!

Damn baby girl!

[Anubis]

Okay.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

There's a skull on her mid section.

Philipus

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Okay.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

There's a skull on her mid section.

Most importantly...

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

its eyes are her bewbs.

[The Question]

I like Artemis and Phillipus a lot. I don't think they're super compelling characters in their own right, but they work really really well as foils to Diana. More than that, they play off of each other really well, which is important for a supporting cast.

I know this'll rub Kurow the wrong way, but I think they're a significant step up from Steve Trevor and Etta Candy as far as supporting characters go.

[Kurosawa]

They're more conventional and palatable to modern audiences because of how generic they are. As I said before, civilian male romantic interests are completely rejected by the comics community, and Etta is a weirdo fat girl in most versions. Artemis and Phillipus are more your scowling warrior chix that is the usual in today's fantasy genre stuff.

[The Question]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

They're more conventional and palatable to modern audiences because of how generic they are. As I said before, civilian male romantic interests are completely rejected by the comics community, and Etta is a weirdo fat girl in most versions. Artemis and Phillipus are more your scowling warrior chix that is the usual in today's fantasy genre stuff.

I really feel like I somehow have to defend my stance that I don't dislike Steve because he's a male love interest.

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by The Question

I really feel like I somehow have to defend my stance that I don't dislike Steve because he's a male love interest.

I'm not referring to your stance, comics fans in general and comics professionals in general have rejected those characters for as long as they have existed. It's not a criticism as much as it is an observation.

[BLACKVULCAN]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

Artemis and Phillipus are more your scowling warrior chix that is the usual in today's fantasy genre stuff.

exactly! your average cookie cutter" i am a bad chick with armaments" but no character" characters!! man get outta here with that! *&^%$ this chick!! Bat-mite could take em all! hahaha!

[Mystirious]

I love Phillipus. She's a smart, compassionate and yet also bad ass and a really well written lesbian character as well. My first exposure to the character was the original Perez stories and I loved how her and Hippolyta were written

I wish they'd gotten married like Simone intended but sadly 'Odyssey' came along and cut her run short so that and a lot of other stuff that was meant to happen never happened

Instead we got blood gore and ultra violence. And we briefly got a version of Phillipus rocking a bad ass eyepatch only for her to be killed off

[Mystirious]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Most importantly...

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

its eyes are her bewbs.

I'm looking her in the eye right now >.>

Originally Posted by The Question

I know this'll rub Kurow the wrong way, but I think they're a significant step up from Steve Trevor and Etta Candy as far as supporting characters go.

I kind of dig Etta personally she's a pretty good character I think

[The Question]

Originally Posted by Mystirious

I kind of dig Etta personally she's a pretty good character I think

It's not so much that I have anything against her, it's just that she feels like a supporting character from a totally different series. She feels like she belongs in something with a more humorous bent, like She-Hulk.