State Your Opinion on A DC Character - Part 3

[Mystirious]

Thats a fair point

Though I like that she adds some comic relief

[Kurosawa]

No laughs allowed in today's grimmmmdarrrkkkk comix.

[Anubis]

Well, there's Deadpool.

Anyways.

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Awwww

Major Force

[TheCorpulent1]

Dick. Probably one of the only characters who can so easily and appropriately be summed up in that one word.

[Mystirious]

Yep

A misogynistic evil dbag. Part of me is glad he no longer exists. Another part of me wants him to come back so a character I like can kill him

[The Question]

I really like Major Force. He's sort of like DC's Sabertooth, just all of the worst aspects of modern western culture condensed into one person. I find that kind of thing fascinating. Partly because it makes for good cultural commentary, but also because it's actually not that unrealistic. There are people out there who are like Major Force. There are people who are that violent, that sexist, that jingoistic, that slavishly devoted to gender roles, that anti-intellectual. They may not be violent super villains, most of them have probably never actually hurt anyone or done anything objectively or significantly wrong their entire lives, but society's shaped them in such a way that the way they look at the world and the way they interact with it allows injustices and atrocities to go on unchallenged. Major Force represents that. He's a metaphor that also seems like a real human being, and that's always hard to pull off.

I also like him because he's a legitimately threatening villain. He's ruthless. He's unrelenting. He may not be a criminal mastermind hatching complex diabolical plans, but he's still clever and intelligent in a very basic, street savvy kind of way. And that kind of makes him more scary in some ways. Lex Luthor will engage in complex mind games to piss Superman off, but Major Force would just blow up his apartment while his friends and family are inside.

He's got a lot in common with Parasite in that they're both brutish sociopaths with ridiculous amounts of power. But while Parasite is very much the little guy who starts taking his revenge on the world once has some power, Major Force is a little more subtle and subdued. He developed into a monster much more gradually and the ways in which his is monsterous are a little more subtle. Not that murdering someone and stuffing her in a refrigerator just to psych someone out isn't blunt, but it's pretty clear that he's a product of a culture and a worldview that places a lot of value in power dynamics, in the idea that you only have worth if you hold power over others, and he's found a comfortable niche in the world where he can take that philosophy to it's dark extremes while still actually being apart of the system that perpetuates that worldview.

[WolfCypher]

He does his thing so well...he's the kind of character you love to hate, and we need more characters like that.

Only because he's a fictitious character, what lives in an universe with flying people and super-aliens and everyday disasters and crises and costume bank robbers, I can appreciate what he does...a real life person with his morals (lack of) I'd want to spit on.

[BLACKVULCAN]

As i have said before MF is a MF! like Wolf said the dude you love to hate! there are some acts in comics sooooooo Heinous that they reverberate throughout fiction.the Goblin killing Gwen, The joker Shooting Batgirl and dude shoving girl in a refrigerator! it was soooo wrong! again That chick( what's her name?Gale?) started that organization "girls in fridges"( i thought it was a rock band when it 1st came out!) That dude is soooo rotten that he actually made me start loving Guy Gardner as Warrior when Guy smoked his ass!That dude is a great bad guy!

[Mystirious]

If only he'd stayed dead

[Kurosawa]

As big a fan as I am of Cary Bates, MF is an example of taking something too far. I have no use for villains who are that brutal and stories that are that dark. If there was stronger editorial control to where villains like MF could be few and far between it would be one thing, but when basic scheme villains like Dr. Light are turned into rapists because characters like MF up the carnage factor of supervillains, that is the real harm of characters like him.

[BLACKVULCAN]

i will always pull a Zatanna with that Dr. Light stuff and mindwipe it outta my thoughts, cause it was soooooo freaking stupid!! the true villain of that piece for me was / is always jean lorning who lost her ever lovin mind and went coo coo for coco puffs! She was already a lawyer which makes them bad guys to begin with in my book anyways!

[Mystirious]

I like to pretend Identity Crisis never happened

It probably didn't now as there's no way it would make sense in the new DCU continuity

[Anubis]

It's hard for me cuz there were a lot of great character moments. Like Ralph at the Funeral. But at the same time, there was a LOT of boos**t. Oh well.

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AMERICA!!!!! F**K YEAH!!!!

Doomsday

The Monster who killed Superman for a couple of days.

[The Question]

Blargh.

Doomsday is barely a character. He's just The Hulk minus the things that make The Hulk interesting. He was created with no other purpose than to kill off Superman and was never intended to have a life beyond that, so the writers neglected to give him an actual character. He's sort of like the anti-Bane. They were both created to defeat DC's two biggest characters in early 90s publicity stunts, but Bane is actually a well rounded and interesting character who can be and has been used very well after his initial story.

Really, they should have saved themselves the trouble creating Doomsday and just had Luthor kill Superman.

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by BLACKVULCAN

i will always pull a Zatanna with that Dr. Light stuff and mindwipe it outta my thoughts, cause it was soooooo freaking stupid!! the true villain of that piece for me was / is always jean lorning who lost her ever lovin mind and went coo coo for coco puffs! She was already a lawyer which makes them bad guys to begin with in my book anyways!

The true villain of that piece is Brad Meltzer for being a ****** writer who ruined other people's creations.

Doomsday is a suck character, not only is he a faux Hulk, DC has a better fake Hulk in Blockbuster and a better predecessor to the Hulk in Solomon Grundy. And the Death of Superman is shallow garbage that Jerry Siegel's version destroys. The good stuff from that storyline was the Reign of the Supermen and the Return of Superman. That stuff was intense. But at least even in the Death story, Superman went out a warrior and a winner.

[BLACKVULCAN]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

The true villain of that piece is Brad Meltzer for being a ****** writer who ruined other people's creations.

Bwhahahahahahahaha!

D-day sucked booty!!! I expect more for someone to take out the man of steel! i actually would have preferred luthor not some dude they just conjured up! i actually again preferred the version on Justice league animated. that was produced cadmus who was intelligent and produced from Supes cells! some stupid dude chained to a meteorite for a millennium in that stupid green haz mat suit was hella dumb! D-day was dullsville!

[Spike_x1]

I liked Doomsday in the initial Death of story, mostly because he is literally a walking plot device who had his purpose and fulfilled it nicely before he died. Anything beyond that is dumb. He has no character or emotion to him, so bringing him back for readers in later stories because he's supposedly badass or something is like bringing back a particularly badass chunk of inanimate kryptonite.

[Oberon sexton]

More or less Doomsday only fills one purpose and that gets boring after the 40th time of him beating up Superman. That said I do think the character has the potential to evoke like Bane has, and I really like that story they did where Doomsday time travels and gains humanity. So yeah right now he's a one note character but I think with the right writer he could become something great.

[WompuM]

God Doomsday is awful. He was used well twice. First in Death of Superman, then in Infinite Crisis. The crap with him being infected by Brainiac and fighting in our worlds at war. God so bad. Not as bad as Reign of the Doomsdays though. God. So bad. But when he showed up leading Dr. Psycho's army in Infinite Crisis, you knew **** was for real. I imagine he'll show up in Red Lanterns soon enough because DC loves sucking.

[Mystirious]

Originally Posted by Anubis

It's hard for me cuz there were a lot of great character moments. Like Ralph at the Funeral. But at the same time, there was a LOT of boos**t. Oh well.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

AMERICA!!!!! F**K YEAH!!!!

Doomsday

The Monster who killed Superman for a couple of days.

Not a fan of Doomsday. He's not really got any personality or motivation beyond being a mindless rampaging monster so he doesn't really make a very interesting villain

I liked the animated version on JLU who was smarter than the dumb brute in the comic books though

[BLACKVULCAN]

Originally Posted by Anubis

It's hard for me cuz there were a lot of great character moments. Like Ralph at the Funeral. But at the same time, there was a LOT of boos**t.

I agree! Freakin green arrow getting the %^& kicked outta him by deathstroke while the team regrouped was one of most testosterone enhancing things(hehe) I've saw in comics in awhile.talking about "sometimes for the team you have to take your lumps!" THAT'S A MAN BABY!!!.....oopsie.now back to our scheduled program "the big bang doomsday theory!"

[Wesley Dodds]

Doomsday?

Eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh...

As interesting an idea as "killing off Supes to show the world how much we need him" is, was a giant roaring rock really the best they could do?

[Mystirious]

I think if they were going to kill him off it should have been Lex to do it

[Wesley Dodds]

See, I used to think that aswell but then the carefully balanced dynamic between the two would be ruined a little, no? Lex would always have that over him...

I didn't mind that they invented a new character to do the job, I just wish they'd come up with an interesting one.

[Panthro]

Originally Posted by Mystirious

I think if they were going to kill him off it should have been Lex to do it

Or Darkseid.