The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[captainrogers]

Originally Posted by The-HYPE

Last time I checked he was pretty bulky in the First Avengers especially when he came out of the capsule.

I see what you were trying to do there with the arms.
They look a bit... Off.
(especially the right arm)
The head, I'll grant you looks pretty sweet. More page to screen accurate.
Nice Manip there.
If anything, I would have kept the arms as they were (the size), but just make the white on his biceps and forearms cover/go all the way around his arms.
That would be an almost comic perfect Manip.

[kedrell]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Only problem with the Surfer in that film was that his powers were linked to his board. But I guess they couldn't have him too powerful, sometimes changes like that are necessary for the sake of the plot.

Yeah, I hated that idea.

[Surfer]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Yeah the Galactus cloud was a huge abomination, but I was talking about Silver Surfer himself.

No, I agree with you don't get me wrong, but it is hard for me to watch the movie all the same. For me the one aspect (of the movie being done very well or perhaps even near perfectly) does not outway everything around it being done so poorly. It would be like if the Thor movie (had an incredible representation of Thor from the comics), but the story was so-so and the characters around him were done really poorly. It would be especially bad, if Loki was done poorly and it would ruin the movie, as the villian generally drives the movie much more then the hero does. So to me, Doctor Doom and the Galactus threat being done poorly was way too much failure in the movie for the Silver Surfer to make up for. Ultimately, making the experience of watching it unenjoyable. Unfortunately! Which is why I hope for Marvel to regain the rights and for the characters and stories to be vindicated.

Surfer

[Matt Mortem]

I would be fine with bulkier legs, but other than that I see no problem with Cap as he is now.

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by Surfer

Thanks, yeah I own the original comic (Silver Surfer #4) that has that image as the cover.
Surfer

Heh you might recall at ONE point I had EVERY and I DO mean EVERY appearence, cameo, Character filler, Surfer ever appeared in. Surfer 4 was my fave Surfer cover followed by that I think Bucsema painted Graphic novel

[captainrogers]

Regarding Ron Lim, it is kinda disappointing to see his art these days. I'll pull out Infinity Gauntlet (non Perez issues) and Thanos Quest every now and again to remind me of his glory days.

[Brian Braddock]

Although not strictly 'thread specific', in keeping with the recent conversation about modern movie posters seemingly just being lazy photoshop jobs and following on from my Stuzan comment a few pages ago, I seriously started thinking how a Drew Stuzan style Avengers movie poster and got all nostalgic. I searched Google images and was instantly reminded how his posters really did have a magic about them [and Lord - how many classic's he's produced for absolutely seminal movies!!!] anywho, on my search I found a 'Strewzan-style' Thor poster:-



Definately better than the official posters and DVD art, in my book. I'd love to see something like this for the Avengers.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by Brian Braddock

Definately better than the official posters and DVD art, in my book. I'd love to see something like this for the Avengers.

it's just a hair busy with the space-lightning-explosion-flares but **** yeah! Would love to see more stuff like this. Good find, Braddock.

[Brian Braddock]

Cheers; as I say, I just kinda stumbled across it.

Seriously though,painted movie posters are a rapidly dying medium that needs to be saved. Anyone looing for nostalgia pics by the master can find some real gems on his site:- http://www.drewstruzan.com/illustrated/portfolio/

[Surfer]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Only problem with the Surfer in that film was that his powers were linked to his board. But I guess they couldn't have him too powerful, sometimes changes like that are necessary for the sake of the plot.

Yeah, I didn't care for that part about the Surfer myself, or that Dr. Doom stole his powers by obtaining his board. If Doctor Doom was going to steal powers he should do it right. I would have rather seen it play out similar to the way it did in Secret Wars (where Galactus is devouring the planet and Doom uses a machine to redirect the energy into himself). One of my truely favorite moments in comics, but it might be too much awesomeness for a Fantastic Four film. Plus I don't believe that the Fantastic Four could handle a Galactus powered Doctor Doom by themselves, and I would rather Galactus get his own moment to shine in a Fantastic Four movie. Although, the danger to existence would almost rival the possibilities of the Avengers going up against Thanos powered with the Infinity Gauntlet. So I guess if they ever managed to get around to do a Secret Wars movie, I would really love to see that moment play out in film.

Surfer

[Surfer]

Originally Posted by captainrogers

Regarding Ron Lim, it is kinda disappointing to see his art these days. I'll pull out Infinity Gauntlet (non Perez issues) and Thanos Quest every now and again to remind me of his glory days.

Exactly, he has put out some great stuff, just not that impressed with what I am seeing right now.

Surfer

[Surfer]

Originally Posted by Brian Braddock

Although not strictly 'thread specific', in keeping with the recent conversation about modern movie posters seemingly just being lazy photoshop jobs and following on from my Stuzan comment a few pages ago, I seriously started thinking how a Drew Stuzan style Avengers movie poster and got all nostalgic. I searched Google images and was instantly reminded how his posters really did have a magic about them [and Lord - how many classic's he's produced for absolutely seminal movies!!!] anywho, on my search I found a 'Strewzan-style' Thor poster:-



Definately better than the official posters and DVD art, in my book. I'd love to see something like this for the Avengers.

Is that the Death Star. Kidding!

Surfer

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Only problem with the Surfer in that film was that his powers were linked to his board. But I guess they couldn't have him too powerful, sometimes changes like that are necessary for the sake of the plot.

I still found it stupid, they could've come up with a much better way for Doom to steal Surfer's powers besides making him rely on his board for his powers.

[DyeLorean]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

Excited about a potential new trailer, got a feeling it won't be much new though.

I think this time it should be a proper 2:30 min trailer, with a hint of the story. We are not that far from the release date, enough with teasers.

[Surfer]

Originally Posted by DyeLorean

I think this time it should be a proper 2:30 min trailer, with a hint of the story. We are not that far from the release date, enough with teasers.

Most of the footage may have been teasers or spots, but personally I feel like they have given us quite a bit already. Don't get me wrong I am wanting more, but I don't feel like they have been selfish in keeping the material entirely to themselves either. So, I will be grateful for what I get with the new trailer and even more grateful when I get to see the movie in its entirety.

Surfer

[MOVIELORD101]

I think it'd be AWESOME if Drew Struzan did an official poster for The Avengers! Hell, I'd buy it. I even have the one he did for Hellboy II!

[DyeLorean]

Originally Posted by Surfer

Most of the footage may have been teasers or spots, but personally I feel like they have given us quite a bit already. Don't get me wrong I am wanting more, but I don't feel like they have been selfish in keeping the material entirely to themselves either. So, I will be grateful for what I get with the new trailer and even more grateful when I get to see the movie in its entirety.

Surfer

No, of course, I'm not saying that they didn't give us enough, but they've only showed things from like 2 sets from the entire movie. They need to start showing what the movie is actually about, to show some kind of progression.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by DyeLorean

I think this time it should be a proper 2:30 min trailer, with a hint of the story. We are not that far from the release date, enough with teasers.

Yeah, I think it's going to include all the good stuff so far & add in the earlier part of the 'We have a Hulk' scene covering the other heroes. It will probably show background on the threat emerging, Fury reacting with some expository lines and then the formation of Avengers and some scenes of them 'assembling'. Will probably finish with awesome random quick-cut (but hopefully not too quick) action scenes of **** hitting fans. That can all be done in 2.30.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I still found it stupid, they could've come up with a much better way for Doom to steal Surfer's powers besides making him rely on his board for his powers.

Doom riding around on the Surfer's stolen board is a classic image from the Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four run. In that instance, Doom used a small flying device (we dubbed it the "bat-wing" back in the day ) to siphon off the Surfer's power cosmic. In the movie they skipped that little detail, just like they skipped a lot of other important things. Maybe the same Fox execs who forced them to use a cloud for Galactus because "it looks like a giant Transformer robot" nixed the device because it was too bat-like.

[Crimson King]

Although I'm sure I'll watch the new trailer a zillion times, I don't want to know too much more. Just an extension of the few scenes we've seen so far would suffice. I'm not even sure I want to know who the aliens are before I see it. Getting hyped is great and all, but there is such a thing as knowing too much before seeing the actual movie.

I'm definitely out of here once the TV spots hit. Those things go way too far in revealing elements of the plot.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by kingmatte

Although I'm sure I'll watch the new trailer a zillion times, I don't want to know too much more. Just an extension of the few scenes we've seen so far would suffice. I'm not even sure I want to know who the aliens are before I see it. Getting hyped is great and all, but there is such a thing as knowing too much before seeing the actual movie.

I'm definitely out of here once the TV spots hit. Those things go way too far in revealing elements of the plot.

TV spots (EDIT: i mean extended clips) can cross that line sometimes but I have no chance of resisting lol. With this trailer though you could always not watch it if you don't want to risk seeing too much more (not meant negatively). I think this movie will have a lot more eye candy / money shots & also a far wider variety of action than a normal movie so whatever combination of footage they choose to show for 2 1/2 mins will only scratch the surface.

[BigThor]

It's not the trailers and tv spots that ruin a film, it's those 30-50 second clips they release in the weeks leading up to a movie's release.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by BigThor

It's not the trailers and tv spots that ruin a film, it's those 30-50 second clips they release in the weeks leading up to a movie's release.

Actually that's what I meant above (to kingmatte)...the clips not the TV spots.

[herolee10]

I wonder if it's a new domestic trailer being released, or if it's just another foreign dubbed trailer.

[Surfer]

Originally Posted by xeno000

Doom riding around on the Surfer's stolen board is a classic image from the Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four run. In that instance, Doom used a small flying device (we dubbed it the "bat-wing" back in the day ) to siphon off the Surfer's power cosmic. In the movie they skipped that little detail, just like they skipped a lot of other important things. Maybe the same Fox execs who forced them to use a cloud for Galactus because "it looks like a giant Transformer robot" nixed the device because it was too bat-like.

Yeah, I know it was from the comics (or at least their version of it), but the way it was done was crappy. Also, as I was somewhat pointing out before (although more related to Galactus), in a movie where a character is being introduced to have them lose their powers, makes it feel like they are trying to shoe horn in 50 years of comic history into a 2 Hour movie. Something like that would better be saved for a sequel of some sort, after the character has had their chance to fully shine. That is how I feel about it at least.


Surfer