TIH vs. Ang Lee's Hulk

[brainchild81]

TIH was better. Would've been a bigger hit if not for Ang's Hulk

[A Necessary Evil]

Not really. It would have been a bigger hit if it had a better story, imo.

[Hmarrs]

Originally Posted by brainchild81

TIH was better. Would've been a bigger hit if not for Ang's Hulk

I don't blame Ang like most do.
It was a hit and miss and so was TIH.
They got it on the mark with Avengers that's all.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Hmarrs

I didn't know this thread was still up.
As far as visuals some scenes in Hulk still blow my mind.
That scene when first comes out of the room under the sprinklers is still amazing to me.
The scene when he first charges towards the tank and when he is leaping in the desert.
It gets a little lost and rushed when it comes to the last fight scene.
The story was a little overthought it seemed as though they tried too hard to tell it.
However if we had not known the comic and had not expectations and this would have been an original concept of first introducing the character itr would had been better recieved.They should have gone with the original concept and left the pychological drama once the character was already introduced.For instance now after Avengers I could see them delving into his phyco drama and what makes him tick.If it came out now it would work because there is some already groundwork done.
Also the idea with the dad becoming that absorbing villian and all was a little hookey.
It went from deep dark seriousness to hookey.
They were better off sticking with the pace they had and had an all out war at the end with the military and robots or somthing like the game.If you want the dad to be the villian have him invent somthing to destroy him or somthing not make him a super villian it was just too much.Hulk could have been drawn out into three movies.
then you could get away with all that.
TIH to me has always looked like a video game and trust me I have tried but it just takes me out of the movie.
The story was okay but it should have been on a higher scale Hulk was weak he only seemed a tad bit stronger then the t.v. version.and you could tell it seemed to be more on a budget.In terms of scale and CGI.
In the end TIH was just...Just.
In everything CGI was Just.....Story was Just.....Acting was Just.....
It was just,JUST.
Thats all a good HBO made for T.V. movie.

Couldnt agree more with all of this, Hulk still has a good few scene's which get the hairs on the back of neck standing up, TIH has 1 or 2, there are just more special moments in Ang's movie for me, and thats what makes it better out of the two movies.

It still irks that they took the jumping out of TIH as well, but overall it was a decent movie, Ang's to me though was and still is a very good one.

[TheWatcher]

TIH was better in every way IMO. Closer to the comics, had better action, story, and overall more respect for the source material.

[Hmarrs]

Originally Posted by TheWatcher

TIH was better in every way IMO. Closer to the comics, had better action, story, and overall more respect for the source material.

You could go either way on that one,Because one could say TIh had more respect for the source material and yet it seems not to be
true because it had more respect for the source material from the T.V. show.

While Ang was still off one could say he had more respect for source material
1.His whole phyco drama while I didn't agree with it.
came from when Dale kowen was draing the issue.
2As far as source material.It was more respectful in terms of scale and in displaying the Hulks Power the way it should be.
3.It displayed his war with the miltery.
4.Even the Hulk dogs came from an issue.

While TIH was based soley and mostly on the show.
And having him swing around like daredevil.
1.The Glowing eyes.
2.The Gamma chair.
3.The Lonely man on the run.
4.Even the music.

Overall Ang actually had more respect for the material.
Sorry Ang dropped the ball but his only mistake was trying too hard.
TIH honestly was a fill for the Avengers.

It was like a cheap B rated movie.
Again it was like a HBO made for home T.V movie.
You can tell by the CG budget to lame advertisement and promotion.
Even to the cheap video game DVD box.
It was just a fill in for Avengers.

Ang at least tried TIH felt like they didn't even try and they took no chances.
I was actually insulted.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by Bruce Malone

I don't care what anyone says more people currently and probably into the future too will remember Ang's hulk over TIH.

TIH literally came and went and to me that is often worst than being remembered as a bad film. Ang's hulk was ambitious and he was ahead of his time. Look at the nolan series ang pretty much laid the groundwork for the psychological and dark superhero film.

Had Ang waited a few years to make his hulk and along with better cgi it would have been seen as a very different movie.

Too be honest, I don't think anyone will remember either. Lee's Hulk was psychological and dark but lacked focus and pacing. Lee was right in his comments a few months ago when he said he should have had more fun with this movie. He took it way too seriously.

The Incredble Hulk may be generic, but like I said it achieved what it wanted to achieve way more than Hulk did. Sure, Hulk may have been fresh, it there's a reason why Nolan's Batman took off and Hulk didn't.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by Obi-Ron

As I've said before: Ang Lee's Hulk is unique. And because it is unique, the world won't tolerate its existence.

So better and more successful psychological movies like Fight Club, Seven, Memento,The Dark Knight, A Beautiful Mind, Black Swan, One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Blade Runner, and many other movies aren't unique?

You can keep yourself that fable but it's not going to make it any more true. Even Ang Lee came out and said there's too much psychodrama in it. It's a poorly balanced movie and one desert action scene isn't going to change that.

Ang Lee's Hulk was more ambitious, but it all comes out in execution and results, and the results was a dull, poorly paced movie.

I'm not high on TIH either, but I don't need to go over its problems.

Avengers Hulk makes up for both anyway.

[Spider-Aziz]

Been reading enough Hulk lately to say this about the two films:

1. Ang's Hulk delved more into psychology and drama, it lacks the sense of fun that can be found in Peter David's run, the fun part is the thing TIH took from that run
2. In faithfulness to the source material, Hulk is strictly 616, TIH has a few elements from Ultimate, certain stuff from the Bixby/Ferrigno show, and easter eggs from the 616 world
3. Hulk has the more expressive face, TIH has the better design for Hulk
4. Effects are better in Hulk, easy

[Baramos]

I'm honestly surprised how many people picked Hulk.

[Obi-Ron]

The ideal Hulk movie is somewhere between the two. Avengers Hulk was entertaining but there just wasn't enough of him there.

[S. Grundy]

You can also say Lee's Hulk had the more faithful origin, you can nitpick that it wasn't the right character or right manner, but it gets the core of it. That Bruce was hit by the gamma radiation while trying to save someone's life.

[Jick09]

TIH, because I had more fun with that one.
I don't discriminate Ang Lee's though. He has said (recently, I think) that he really should have had more fun with the movie and that he took it too seriously.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Hmarrs

You could go either way on that one,Because one could say TIh had more respect for the source material and yet it seems not to be
true because it had more respect for the source material from the T.V. show.

While Ang was still off one could say he had more respect for source material
1.His whole phyco drama while I didn't agree with it.
came from when Dale kowen was draing the issue.
2As far as source material.It was more respectful in terms of scale and in displaying the Hulks Power the way it should be.
3.It displayed his war with the miltery.
4.Even the Hulk dogs came from an issue.

While TIH was based soley and mostly on the show.
And having him swing around like daredevil.
1.The Glowing eyes.
2.The Gamma chair.
3.The Lonely man on the run.
4.Even the music.

Overall Ang actually had more respect for the material.
Sorry Ang dropped the ball but his only mistake was trying too hard.
TIH honestly was a fill for the Avengers.

It was like a cheap B rated movie.
Again it was like a HBO made for home T.V movie.
You can tell by the CG budget to lame advertisement and promotion.
Even to the cheap video game DVD box.
It was just a fill in for Avengers.

Ang at least tried TIH felt like they didn't even try and they took no chances.
I was actually insulted.

Angs movie was even more faithful than you have listed, his first few Hulk-outs only happen at night, like in the comics bringing out the monster aspect, also there was a Gamma explosion, and Bruce became the Hulk from saving another life, just like in the comics. His father experimenting on him and the repressed memories came from the comics also.

Not to mention Gen Ross was MUCH more faithful in Ang's movie.

Originally Posted by Spider-Aziz

Been reading enough Hulk lately to say this about the two films:

1. Ang's Hulk delved more into psychology and drama, it lacks the sense of fun that can be found in Peter David's run, the fun part is the thing TIH took from that run
2. In faithfulness to the source material, Hulk is strictly 616, TIH has a few elements from Ultimate, certain stuff from the Bixby/Ferrigno show, and easter eggs from the 616 world
3. Hulk has the more expressive face, TIH has the better design for Hulk
4. Effects are better in Hulk, easy

Agree with all of these.

Originally Posted by S. Grundy

You can also say Lee's Hulk had the more faithful origin, you can nitpick that it wasn't the right character or right manner, but it gets the core of it. That Bruce was hit by the gamma radiation while trying to save someone's life.

Yep, and I listed a few more reasons Ang's movie is more faithful to the comics as well just above. In terms of faithfulness, it aint even a contest, Ang's movie is much more faithful.

[Hmarrs]

It's funny becuase I personally think that whether or not you like the movie will determine the CG.
My goodness could you have imagined what it would have been like if the Ang Hulk had played in the TIH movie.
I hate to say it over and over again but I just could not shake the Video Game feel of TIH.
Maybe people didn't like the Ang design(I did I just felt he got too big) buteven if it was
it was a bad design that was more realistic then what people prefer as a good design in TIH.

I can't see how this looks realistic to some people it looks flat and almost like claymation.

Maybe not perfect to me better

IMO

[Hmarrs]

Originally Posted by Baramos

I'm honestly surprised how many people picked Hulk.

In time many more.In the beggining almost no one said Hulk compared to TIH.However over time many more will.Why?Because TIH was just alot of bells and whistles but no substance.
While it satified for the moment it won't in the long run.

Originally Posted by Obi-Ron

The ideal Hulk movie is somewhere between the two. Avengers Hulk was entertaining but there just wasn't enough of him there.

That's interesting what did you mean by this statement?
Physically as a Character,Story???
Please explain.

Originally Posted by Jick09

TIH, because I had more fun with that one.
I don't discriminate Ang Lee's though. He has said (recently, I think) that he really should have had more fun with the movie and that he took it too seriously.

What else could he say.I think he has just been so badgered by the protest that he caved in.
I lost some repect for him in that aspect.
Why?
Because if you did somthing you really beleieved in stick to it.
Now had he said if I were doing it today then I would make it more fun.
I can understand but to me especially as an Artist if you believe in somthing stick to it.
Maybe the people have not caught up with your vision yet.
Now in ten or twenty years there is a shift and that has happened with movies many cult classics.
But let's just say it shifts and people regard Hulk as a masterpiece.
Then what is Ang going to say"Oh yeah I knew it all along."

Dude nothing get's me more upset then a Hippocrate the only thing that get's me more upset then that is someone who is a hippocrate to himself!

[Jick09]

Maybe he didn't stick to what he believed? Maybe he really would have more fun with the movie if he did it today?

I did so many things in my past that, when I look back, I'm sure I would have done differently if I had the mindset of nowadays. Probably the same with Lee.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Hmarrs

In time many more.In the beggining almost no one said Hulk compared to TIH.However over time many more will.Why?Because TIH was just alot of bells and whistles but no substance.
While it satified for the moment it won't in the long run.


That's interesting what did you mean by this statement?
Physically as a Character,Story???
Please explain.


What else could he say.I think he has just been so badgered by the protest that he caved in.
I lost some repect for him in that aspect.
Why?
Because if you did somthing you really beleieved in stick to it.
Now had he said if I were doing it today then I would make it more fun.
I can understand but to me especially as an Artist if you believe in somthing stick to it.
Maybe the people have not caught up with your vision yet.
Now in ten or twenty years there is a shift and that has happened with movies many cult classics.
But let's just say it shifts and people regard Hulk as a masterpiece.
Then what is Ang going to say"Oh yeah I knew it all along."

Dude nothing get's me more upset then a Hippocrate the only thing that get's me more upset then that is someone who is a hippocrate to himself!

Yeah, it was a bit of a slap in the face to fans of the flick and to himself, didnt make much sense to me, although its not like he called the movie bad.

Originally Posted by Jick09

Maybe he didn't stick to what he believed? Maybe he really would have more fun with the movie if he did it today?

I did so many things in my past that, when I look back, I'm sure I would have done differently if I had the mindset of nowadays. Probably the same with Lee.

I believe there were rumours at the time of studio interference, maybe that is what he is referring to.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by Jick09

Maybe he didn't stick to what he believed? Maybe he really would have more fun with the movie if he did it today?

I did so many things in my past that, when I look back, I'm sure I would have done differently if I had the mindset of nowadays. Probably the same with Lee.

Exactly. Maybe he actually wished he had more fun and that he wished he did Hulk differently. He's being honest, can't blame him for that. Now the Hulk lovers are upset that the guy in charge of it doesn't even see it as the masterpiece that they perceive it.

Just because he doesn't love it doesn't mean you guys can't, so HMarrs stop being so bitter about it. He doesn't love it (notice I'm not saying he didn't like it). It's not a slap in the face at all, either.

And one last thing. He's not a hypocrit at all.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by Hmarrs

In time many more.In the beginning almost no one said Hulk compared to TIH. However over time many more will.Why?Because TIH was just a lot of bells and whistles but no substance.
While it satisfied for the moment it won't in the long run.

I still like Norton's film as much as I did when I first saw it

I can talk about change of view, I hated the first Hulk film, it took repeated views to fully appreciate Ang's film

[Thwip!]

Originally Posted by Hmarrs

Maybe not perfect to me better

IMO

The face looks like it's caught in some elevator doors imo

[Visualiza]

I never seem to be able to make up my mind about this, but at the end of the day I think that they're both above average Hulk movies. Still waiting for that definitive film, but I did enjoy each interpretation.

[pr0xyt0xin]

TIH still keeps me on the edge of my seat. Its in my top 5 super hero flicks. Ed Norton and Tim Roth make for great entertainment throughout. Liv Tyler is sexy idc what anyone says about her acting. The action is blisteringly cool and imo second only to Avengers in terms of action overall.

Love the film.

[Visualiza]

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin

TIH still keeps me on the edge of my seat. Its in my top 5 super hero flicks. Ed Norton and Tim Roth make for great entertainment throughout. Liv Tyler is sexy idc what anyone says about her acting. The action is blisteringly cool and imo second only to Avengers in terms of action overall.

Love the film.

I've always thought of Liv Tyler as an exceptional and underrated actress, let alone beautiful. Norton did indeed kill it as Banner, and I loved Tim Roth's Blonsky as well.

With that being said, I think both movies actually had very strong casts, the leads in particular. Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly gave every bit the performances that Norton & Tyler did IMO.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin

TIH still keeps me on the edge of my seat. Its in my top 5 super hero flicks. Ed Norton and Tim Roth make for great entertainment throughout. Liv Tyler is sexy idc what anyone says about her acting. The action is blisteringly cool and imo second only to Avengers in terms of action overall.

I think she's good in the Lord of the Rings trilogy