Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Vampire - Part 2

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Figs

Ok, I have to say that I don't like that they turned Angel evil again in Season 3. They should have just brought in a new main vampire then repeat what already happened.

I do have to say that it was great and sexy seeing Alyson Hannigan(sp?)playing a vampire.

edit: Nevermind! Well played Angel...well played!

LOL, that'll teach you to finish an episode before you comment.

EDIT: I will say that episode is pretty rewarding on re-watch. You can actually see on SMG's face the exact moment Buffy figures out Faith's up to no good, and then presumably immediately goes to regroup with Giles to come up with this plan to smoke her out.

[Figs]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

LOL, that'll teach you to comment before you finish an episode!

Hahaha!

At first I was like...



but then I was like...

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by Figs

Hahaha!

At first I was like...



but then I was like...

I had the same reaction to that episode.

[Figs]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

I had the same reaction to that episode.

It was great. I was thinking "**** yeah!" when Angel surprised Faith.

[Marvolo]

I can not believe Cordi slept with Conner! I was like WTF!

[hopefuldreamer]

Yes... that doesn't get any less weird this season either...

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

Yes... that doesn't get any less weird this season either...

What makes it so ****ing gross is she was in love with Angel, and she knew Conner when he was a baby and changed his diapers. I don't care if the baby went through a portal and came back a full grown person there is no way I could sleep with them. Ill give her some slack cause fire was falling from the sky, but its still gross. And now he is making **** awkward cause he still likes her, and is working for her affection.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

What makes it so ****ing gross is she was in love with Angel, and she knew Conner when he was a baby and changed his diapers. I don't care if the baby went through a portal and came back a full grown person there is no way I could sleep with them. Ill give her some slack cause fire was falling from the sky, but its still gross. And now he is making **** awkward cause he still likes her, and is working for her affection.

Ugh, that season squicked me out SO much. I mean, sure, her behavior gets explained later, but the whole thing is still just so squicky. Because of that, despite the fact that S4 may be the tightest season of the show from a storytelling stand-point, I have re-watched the episodes of that season less than any others. Except "Spin the Bottle." Always leave it to Joss to inject an episode of fun into an otherwise endlessly depressing season.

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

What makes it so ****ing gross is she was in love with Angel, and she knew Conner when he was a baby and changed his diapers. I don't care if the baby went through a portal and came back a full grown person there is no way I could sleep with them. Ill give her some slack cause fire was falling from the sky, but its still gross. And now he is making **** awkward cause he still likes her, and is working for her affection.

Seriously, just watch... we can have this discussion a LOT more easily once you've seen the season through...

I'm not saying it'll be a better conversation, just saying we can't have it yet

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

Except "Spin the Bottle." Always leave it to Joss to inject an episode of fun into an otherwise endlessly depressing season.

Yeah I love that episode. And there is a lot more than I DO love about season 4 as well. For instance, by the end of Shiny Happy People I was completely in love with Fred's character Making her death in season 5 the most i've ever cried at anything in my whole life!.

Also love Orpheus

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

Yeah I love that episode. And there is a lot more than I DO love about season 4 as well. For instance, by the end of Shiny Happy People I was completely in love with Fred's character Making her death in season 5 the most i've ever cried at anything in my whole life!.

Also love Orpheus

Oh yeah, S4 is definitely full of greatness. It's weirdly the season I most admire (it took the show into full-on Greek tragedy mode!), and the one that's hardest to re-watch. But I too LOVE "Orpheus" and Fred in "Shiny Happy People." I also loved the last present day appearance of Darla. That character's always been a favorite of mine, and while it was suggested that the version we see may have just been the PTB's in disguise, I choose to believe that while sent by the PTB's, that really was her true spirit, and the Darla we never really got to know since we only ever met her AFTER she'd been through some awful s***. After all, we did witness her briefly with a soul in present times twice: Once when she was brought back as human and ultimately repentant and ready to die like she should have done to begin with, and second while pregnant, and she clearly loved her unborn child. I can imagine THAT Darla being the same one trying to save Connor's soul in "Inside Out".

[Marvolo]

Cordi killed Lilah! She's bad?! That's not Cordi is it?!?!? OMG!

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

Cordi killed Lilah! She's bad?! That's not Cordi is it?!?!? OMG!

Haha, I was just looking at the IMDB descriptions just to see exactly how far into the season you've gotten, and I noticed she's literally called "Evil Cordy" in those descriptions.

[Marvolo]

Right now I'm on episode 13 of season 4.

It aggravates me how no one can tell a vampire bite from a stake wound to the jugular. Lilahs wound should have looked nothing like a vampire bite yet no one could tell.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

Right now I'm on episode 13 of season 4.

It aggravates me how no one can tell a vampire bite from a stake wound to the jugular. Lilahs wound should have looked nothing like a vampire bite yet no one could tell.

Well to be fair, they didn't know to LOOK for such a difference at the time. They saw that Angelus was there, and they saw that she was bleeding from the neck. For people who deal with vampires on a daily basis, that would seem like putting 2+2 together, so I'm not surprised they didn't examine the wound more closely.

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

Well to be fair, they didn't know to LOOK for such a difference at the time. They saw that Angelus was there, and they saw that she was bleeding from the neck. For people who deal with vampires on a daily basis, that would seem like putting 2+2 together, so I'm not surprised they didn't examine the wound more closely.

When its one of their own or someone they know they should always examine the body and find the cause of death especially considering half the time they are wrong or tricked. Its easy to assume the cause of death but it will get them in trouble. The show just relies a little too much on the characters not paying attention or assuming things.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

When its one of their own or someone they know they should always examine the body and find the cause of death especially considering half the time they are wrong or tricked. Its easy to assume the cause of death but it will get them in trouble. The show just relies a little too much on the characters not paying attention or assuming things.

I don't think they consider Angelus (or Lilah) "one of their own." He WOULD have killed Lilah if Cordy hadn't, so it's not like they were jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about him. The worst was already known to be true. Angelus was a killing machine. Whether or not he killed Lilah didn't change that. They just didn't know to look for any other option, as they didn't have any reason to suspect an enemy in their midst at that point (did they? My memory's a little fuzzy on that ep).

I'm trying to remember, didn't someone see Angelus holding Lilah's freshly-killed corpse, too?

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

I don't think they consider Angelus (or Lilah) "one of their own." He WOULD have killed Lilah if Cordy hadn't, so it's not like they were jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about him. The worst was already known to be true. Angelus was a killing machine. Whether or not he killed Lilah didn't change that. They just didn't know to look for any other option, as they didn't have any reason to suspect an enemy in their midst at that point (did they? My memory's a little fuzzy on that ep).

I'm trying to remember, didn't someone see Angelus holding Lilah's freshly-killed corpse, too?

Yeah, he was feeding on her dead body. Logic says he killed her, and no way they would suspect Cordi, but I guess too much trust will be their undoing with her. I just feel like the characters jump to conclusions sometimes. Lol, I guess that's my paranoid over analytical nature coming through.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

I just feel like the characters jump to conclusions sometimes. Lol, I guess that's my paranoid over analytical nature coming through.

Don't worry, it's not paranoia, it's a very real TV trope that pretty much all TV shows are guilty of for the sake of drama, this one included, lol. But in this case, I'd have to admit, I probably wouldn't examine the wound more closely, either, so I really can't blame them.

[eddy]

Originally Posted by Sawyer

There was really only one filler episode that just completely put me off to the point that I haven't watched it again since the first time. And that's the one in S5 with the creepy little thing that came out of that meteor. Unwatchable, IMO.

I disagree with you about this episode being unwatchable. It has a great character moment when Buffy is alone crying with the radio blarring out Joyce's mad rants. Thats the good thing about Buffy episodes, even the 'bad' ones have something character building in them.

[Figs]

Holy ****! Unless my eyes are deceiving me, was that Sawyer(Josh Holloway) in Episode 1 of Angel?!

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by Figs

Holy ****! Unless my eyes are deceiving me, was that Sawyer(Josh Holloway) in Episode 1 of Angel?!

Yep that's him. I did a double take, also. Whedon's Buffyverse has employed quite a who's who of tv actors.

[Sawyer]

Originally Posted by Figs

Holy ****! Unless my eyes are deceiving me, was that Sawyer(Josh Holloway) in Episode 1 of Angel?!

You'll be seeing Jin and Bernard somewhere down the line as well.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Sawyer

You'll be seeing Jin and Bernard somewhere down the line as well.

Yep! And, ya know, Hawkeye. I know he's not a Lostie but still awesome. And Lois Lane (that is, if you're still watching Buffy, Figs).

[Figs]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

Yep that's him. I did a double take, also. Whedon's Buffyverse has employed quite a who's who of tv actors.

Yeah, there are quite a few surprises in his shows.

Originally Posted by Sawyer

You'll be seeing Jin and Bernard somewhere down the line as well.

I remember Jin but it's been so long I can't remember which character was Bernard. He the older man who's wife had cancer? I haven't watched Lost in a long time.

Originally Posted by flickchick85

Yep! And, ya know, Hawkeye. I know he's not a Lostie but still awesome. And Lois Lane (that is, if you're still watching Buffy, Figs).

Renner is in the show too?

Which Lois Lane, the one from Superman Returns or a past TV show?

Yeah, my girl and I are still watching Buffy. We took everyone's advice here and decided to watch episode 1 of Buffy then jump to episode 1 of Angel and so on and so forth. Angel is a boss, kicks that corporate vampire out the window. "Can you fly?"