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Old 03-07-2012, 04:08 PM   #1
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Default Why did Shaw kill Darwin?

In an earlier scene with Magneto on the boat he told Emma that they don't hurt their own kind. Did anyone else catch this?

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Old 03-07-2012, 06:36 PM   #2
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As a warning to those who, unlike Erik on the boat, might actually pose a threat to his plan of inciting nuclear war.

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Old 03-07-2012, 07:20 PM   #3
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Because he was black.



its the 1960s, duh.

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Old 03-07-2012, 07:38 PM   #4
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I kinda feel that killing him wasn't his intention, he seemed intrigued by his clam to be able to "adapt to survive"

I get the feeling that he was testing the limits of his power, like he said to Magneto "everything I did, was to make you stronger"

I mean, obviously he didn't care rather he lived or die, but, still

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Old 03-08-2012, 07:50 AM   #5
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To prove a point to the other X men not to **** with him and to give the film a sympathetic death.

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Old 03-08-2012, 02:14 PM   #6
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To prove a point to the other X men not to **** with him and to give the film a sympathetic death.
The film failed there because the audience didn't get to know Darwin well enough to really care that he died. His death was more of a WTF moment than a sad one.

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Old 03-08-2012, 02:20 PM   #7
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I think it was just Shaw showing that his threat of not being with him means you're against him holds weight.

And whether it was meant to be sympathetic or not, it was the death of a good guy. It adds a bit of tension.

I actually felt worse when the fat CIA dude got killed by Azazel. He seemed to be the only human ready to give the mutants a chance, outside of Moira. I thought he'd be that stereotypical friendly fat guy who makes it all the way to the end. But nope. SPLAT.

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Old 03-08-2012, 02:27 PM   #8
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It reminded us he was an evil bastard. Not kill his own kind? Yeah right.

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Old 03-08-2012, 02:28 PM   #9
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That too haha. I think that is a big reason why i liked Shaw as a villain so much. He acts like he has mutantkinds best interests at heart. But I think that was mainly a facade. He wanted power, he wanted to wipe out humanity to rule the mutants as their President. And obviously he had no problems with killing fellow mutants.

I actually think Shaw is a really underrated villain actually. He was a real physical threat, his power set made him virtually invulnerable and he packs a lot of fire power. But it's also the psychological side to him. For me, the best villains are those who corrupt good people. Well, he certainly corrupted Erik/Magneto.

That's what makes Erik's arc in the film so great for me, he defeated Shaw, but then he became him. He was a hero, but in killing the villain he became one and took on his own philosophy. Of course being a concentration camp victim didn't help either. He sees humans and nazi's in the same way.


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Old 03-08-2012, 04:03 PM   #10
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The film failed there because the audience didn't get to know Darwin well enough to really care that he died. His death was more of a WTF moment than a sad one.
Yeah, they set him up then off him right away. Kind of pointless. I felt that scene was clearly forcing the audience to feel bad. He didnt get much scream time but I thought the way it was done was a bit melancholy. Thought it was more sympathetic then say Pixie stripper tearing up or Beast after he goes all blue. I like the flick but the more I watch it the more I hate the kids.
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I actually felt worse when the fat CIA dude got killed by Azazel. He seemed to be the only human ready to give the mutants a chance, outside of Moira. I thought he'd be that stereotypical friendly fat guy who makes it all the way to the end. But nope. SPLAT.
I kinda thought that part was funny haha. Oliver Platts awesome though didnt think they would kill him.

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Well, there were a lot of b-list and c-list X-Men. Be honest, who here knew of Darwin before this movie? And he didn't get to do much except die.

Mystique: They killed Darwin!
Magneto: Who?
Xavier: The guy who drove the cab.
Magneto: They killed the guy with big feet?
Xavier: We should have probably spent more time on character interaction.

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I would have rather they killed Angel as well tbh.

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Old 03-08-2012, 05:02 PM   #13
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you can't kill the "unkillable"

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Old 03-08-2012, 11:25 PM   #14
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i was serious.

black people in the 60s were just granted equal rights. Shaw being Shaw would be prejudice.

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Old 03-09-2012, 06:37 AM   #15
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i was serious.

black people in the 60s were just granted equal rights. Shaw being Shaw would be prejudice.
Well, if you were being serious, you are not very smart.
The obvious reasons for Darwin being killed have already been listed, he was the one who made the move to try and defeat Shaw, putting himself right in the firing line, and Shaw wanted to make an example of him.

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Old 03-11-2012, 02:23 PM   #16
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I dont think Darwin is essentially killed.

Think about it, in the comic book he was supposibily killed on that island but his body adapted to survive. Maybe Sebastian Shaw knew what his ability was and knew he would be out of action for a very long while giving the impression that he was dead to his fellow mutants. However the only one who would know he is still alive is convienantly the otherside of the world.

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^I've been holding out hope for this ever since I first saw the movie.

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Old 03-11-2012, 04:24 PM   #18
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I find all this hoopla over Darwin to be a bit silly, to be honest. I think it was pretty clear from the moment his character was announced that he wasn't going to be a main player in the movie, nevermind franchise, and that he would most likely die in the film. I see little value in bringing him back, and don't think it's much of a loss if he's never heard from again.

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I find all this hoopla over Darwin to be a bit silly, to be honest. I think it was pretty clear from the moment his character was announced that he wasn't going to be a main player in the movie, nevermind franchise, and that he would most likely die in the film. I see little value in bringing him back, and don't think it's much of a loss if he's never heard from again.
Yeah, he was rather pointless. I thought he was going to be a bad guy at first, until the trailer came out.

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Shaw killed him because he had just told them that any mutants not with him are against him, he used Darwin as an example to show this.

Part of me thinks that Darwin is still alive somewere also.

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i was serious.

black people in the 60s were just granted equal rights. Shaw being Shaw would be prejudice.
Shaw hangs around with a Red dude with a tail.

Shaw is prejudice against humans not other mutants. I think Shaw being a arrogent hypocrite thinks his above human issues like that. He didn't care about working with Soviets, Nazis or the U.S or their ideology his only intrest was in creating his own post apocalyptic mutant empire.

When Shaw says "Be enslaved or rise up to rule" and looks at Darwin its more like his saying "Your black, you know how it is to be kept down by prejudice which is why you should join me". For some reason people only seem to hear the word 'enslave' while looking at darwin and misinterpret that scene as shaw is making a racist dig at darwin.

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Shaw lied. And it meant that he will kill anyone (mutant or non-mutant) who gets in his way.

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Old 04-21-2012, 02:35 AM   #23
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Darwin was such an uninteresting useless character anyways so what's the point... his only purpose was to die and thus show exactly how flawed, cruel and nasty Shaw is... nothing more

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The film failed there because the audience didn't get to know Darwin well enough to really care that he died. His death was more of a WTF moment than a sad one.
I think it was supposed to be a shock moment, a pivotal moment. The kids had all been showing off their powers (with very little responsibility when they wrecked the statue, smashed the window etc), picking cool codenames, thinking they were invincible. This brought them all down to earth again. It was a driving force in them deciding to grow up, be responsible and do something that mattered.

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Old 04-21-2012, 09:49 AM   #25
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Maybe to make a point... just like how Magneto remained on the island and fought the battleships rather than ask azarel to teleport him away

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