The "Wars of the Past" Thread

[Thundercrack85]

UN and NATO? Don't you think you're jumping ahead... a few world wars?

They wouldn't have made it into the 20th century.

The only reason the war lasted as long as it did is because the North was completely unprepared for a real war. Their best officers were Southerners.

An armistice would actually work against the South, because it would give the North a chance to get a proper army together, mass produce weapons, and then they could simply march on Richmond on a whim.

The North's industrial output alone would destroy the South.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

The only reason the war lasted as long as it did is because the North was completely unprepared for a real war. Their best officers were Southerners.

Exactly. Everytime I mention the Civil War, I mention that the North should have won in 1862. They had a chance to take Richmond, the South's Capital and destroy the Confederacy, but George McClellan was an incompetent general who hesistated to take Richmond, which led to the bloody battle of Anietnam which had the north fighting to defend Maryland.

In short, McClellan was removed as commanding general because of that error.

Also, one more thing to note was that Robert E Lee, the commanding general of the confederacy hated Slavery with a passion. Slavery wouldn't have last too long in the South. I would have given it another 15-20 years at most.

[Thundercrack85]

Well, let's not give Lee too much credit. He wasn't opposed to ending slavery. But he was hardly an abolitionist.

But the whole thing was pointless. The South seceded because of slavery (well that, and their hatred for the North), but, for reasons I have already explained), they would have had to end slavery sooner or later anyway.

So, the whole war was utterly pointless.

[Parker Wayne]

I once read a book about Lee's life that said that Robert E Lee wanted to free slaves and help them head to Liberia for freedom.

[Thundercrack85]

His wife and mother did. By most accounts, he was fairly indifferent. At least, when it came to actually doing anything about it.

Though he did support recruiting slaves for the Confederate army in the last years of the war. In return for their service, they would have been given their freedom.

At best Lee was mildly sympathetic to the abolitionist cause.

[8wid]

Brazil was the last country in the Western Hemisphere to outlaw slavery in 1877. The reason for this was not because of a war, only the United States went through that, but because of increasing industrialization and the rise of a population big enough for a working class instead of peasants. This was the case in Europe and Canada too. If the Civil War never happened and the Southern States were allowed to keep their slaves much longer on this would have eventually happened to. Not in factories or mines, but in agriculture. The slaves would have eventually been freed, but remained tenant farmers for years to come and would have worked at the lowest of the low on increasingly industrial farms. Machines would have made planting cotton and farming in general more profitable and been quickened by removing the slaves. Some mines and factories would have started to appear in the South too, with the introduction of the transcontinental railroad which would have needed freed laborers and men to operate some of the machinery.

Besides with the opening of the West in the 1870s many Southerners would have gotten on the railroad and started to find life for themselves out there on ranches in new ways. Many of them might have wanted to leave the South to the North where industry was starting just for the greater wealth it would have produced rather than stay on a cotton plantation.

[8wid]

Switching gears in regards to the Vietnam War and JFK. I think we can say positively that had Kennedy lived past 1963 and would have been reelected in 1964 that the Vietnam War might not have occurred during his Presidency. The President still has to have Congress vote on a declaration of war in order to put ground troops in a nation. There was never a direct attack by North Vietnam on US forces that constituted an act of aggression except that Johnson mistook the Gulf of Tonkin Incident for a direct attack by North Vietnam patrol boats on US destroyers and thought a direct declaration of war would have spurred up China to roll down and possibly start World War III. So he created the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution instead to give him sole authority to use his own discretion for Vietnam. He authorized bombings of North Vietnam which angered this country and caused more Vietcong to infiltrate the North. Johnson put in bombers with bases and kept bombing, the Vietcong responded by attacking these, and the marines were put in the first time to defend the air bases which then got them chased into the jungle and so the story goes.

Kennedy was now known to have not intervened in taking down the Berlin Wall, putting the marines into Laos and Cambodia, putting in 200,000 ground troops into Vietnam as advised by his generals, providing air support to the CIA during the Bay of Pigs, etc. because he feared World War III breaking out, especially after how close he came during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he personally feared nuclear war. After that he questioned he traded cautiously and took steps to reduce nuclear weapons during the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. Kennedy was now fearful and cautious to prevent a major escalation that could lead to World War III and questioned his intelligence very carefully after the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis almost caused mistakes that could have led to war. Most likely Kennedy would have questioned the intelligence about the Gulf of Tonkin especially after it was being questioned by some members of his cabinet as inaccurate and not have acted on bombing then and escalating the war. An investigation by the Pentagon would have revealed either it was radar blips or a military forgery to start the war. Johnson had no direct involvement in the decision making Kennedy made when he was alive and was not aware of what his decision would have been or who could have been trusted in the cabinet for accuracy it's reasonable his mistake by coming would not have happened under JFK who was experienced. There would have been no bombings and no air bases to in essence provoke the Vietcong to attack them, no act of aggression from North Vietnam, and no ground troops to escalate the war, and no draft. Like Johnson too I don't think Kennedy would have wanted to start a war just three months before the November election in 1964. Too, Johnson kept plans for adding another 5,000 advisors to South Vietnam Kennedy had implemented in 1964 to which it stood at around 23,000 when the first marines were put in. It's likely Kennedy would have continued to do this until the end of his second term. The situation in South Vietnam continues to fall apart as several cous led by their military overthrows the new leaders. The number of Vietcong in the jungles of the south would not have increased without the bombings of the north ordered by Johnson and the chances of another event that might lead to a direct act of war does not happen. China detonating it's first atomic bomb in October of 1964 and Khruschev being removed from office in a cou probably would have also made Kennedy much more cautious about causing too much involvement in actions that could increase Cold War tensions, especially with a new regime in the USSR. Kennedy seems to have regretted the cou against President Diem because he turned pale white according to witnesses when he learned it had happened and then isolated himself in the White House for the rest of the day after getting the news it had happened. He didn't seem to have anticipated it going off successfully even though he signed off on the order to support it when needed to prevent the repressions against Buddhists under this regime. If he had experienced the multiple cous that took place in South Vietnam during 1964 and 65 that further destabilized the country and made the war more of an American effort I think he would have seen the flaw of this action and tried to prevent too much involvement for something to backfire again and to escalate the war. This though would have caused Kennedy to have to take over the war more and widen the US role, but only to dramatically increase the funding to South Vietnam as Johnson did in 1964 and by continuing to put in advisors there and not ground troops.

Kennedy is the President that really started detente with the Soviet Union with the promise not to invade Cuba and then signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. It is fact he sought to cooperate in the moon landing with the Soviets because he thought the Apollo program would have been too expensive for the US to accomplish itself and the American people would have lost interest in it. He had proposed it in a speech given in September 1963 and likely would have done so later on. Whether or not the Soviets would have accepted or not especially after Breshnev replaced Khruschev as the premier of Russia is a different matter entirely. Johnson kept the offer open when he was president, but it went nowhere because they didn't trust him.

It seems given that the scenario for Vietnam Kennedy would have pursued in his second term would have reflected elements of attempts at detente and when he neutralized Laos. JFK would have probably tried to do the same for Vietnam if he could get the Soviet Union and Red China to end their support for the North. Johnson tried these talks to get a ceasefire in the war in 1968 which went nowhere because the two sides completely refused to accept the other's existence. Johnson escalating the war certainly didn't help.

If Kennedy had a second term surely attempts would have been made to pull off this type of arrangement and it would have been more peaceful because the US would not have bombed North Vietnam yet. But Kennedy was not the communicator legend has given him and not likely would have been able to accomplish this goal and would have instead kept adding advisors and passing on the war to his successor in 1968. Who would that have been? Chances are Richard Nixon would have still run and Lyndon Johnson was interested in being the candidate and was most likely to get the Democratic ticket that year. No matter which one wins, they both take part in detente still and at some point in the early 1970s it would have likely been another attempt at either getting a ceasefire or neutralization accomplished. Both would have been strong negotiators and managed to get the Outer Space Treaty, Nonproliferation Treaty, SALT I and II, cooperation in the International Space Station, and more accomplished at the time. Chances are a successful end to the Vietnam War with through neutralization would have occurred. Whether Saigon fell or not was another matter completely. Kennedy though would not have withdrawn from Vietnam unless there was a agreed on peace settlement with China and the Soviet Union, he would have kept adding advisors and passed on the war as did Truman and Eisnehower before him. Detente would have likely brought upon this scenario sometime in the 1970s when the US could live with the Soviets not funding North Vietnam.

[Hobgoblin]

Just wondering what y'all think of this scenario:

What if the 1908 Tunguska fireball had hit Russia a few hours later and destroyed St. Petersburg? How would the surprise ending of the Russian monarchy by such "supernatural" means (as many people would likely have seen the event as being) have effected the quickly approaching First World War? Of course, losing such a massive adversary could be seen as a huge triumph for Imperial Germany but what else can really be said?

The destruction of St Petersburg would have been extremely destabilizing for Russia, maybe leading to civil war over who would become the next leader and a mass exodus of Russian people leaving their country.

[8wid]

Even if the royal family had been totally destroyed in St. Petersburg, the treaties with Serbia still existed no matter who the emperor was. Once Austria invaded Serbia and Russia would have gathered its army to repel the invasion and then Germany would have still declared war in the same manner. Even if Czar Nicky had died, his brother Grand Duke Michael would have assumed the throne and become emperor, he likely would have been as eager for war as his brother had been.

[8wid]

What does everyone think of this idea?

Hitler and Eva Braun fled Berlin and died (divorced) of old age in Argentina

[enterthemadness]

Originally Posted by 8wid

What does everyone think of this idea?

Hitler and Eva Braun fled Berlin and died (divorced) of old age in Argentina

Err...I dunno. I do know that years ago, a teacher said she heard he was alive or still alive...

[8wid]

Panama Deception (Highlights) - 1989 US Invasion Of Panama

Watch this in whole. Does any of this sound like the current War on Terror, especially the invasion of Iraq?

[Thor The Mighty]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

UN and NATO? Don't you think you're jumping ahead... a few world wars?

They wouldn't have made it into the 20th century.

The only reason the war lasted as long as it did is because the North was completely unprepared for a real war. Their best officers were Southerners.

An armistice would actually work against the South, because it would give the North a chance to get a proper army together, mass produce weapons, and then they could simply march on Richmond on a whim.

The North's industrial output alone would destroy the South.

I agree. The north missed several opportunities to end the war through the incompetence of it's generals. The south might have had a chance the first year or two, really after the first battle of bull run when the could have marched on Washington. The problem was the Rebels were tired and they had no more reinforcements to put into the field. That's basically how most of the war played out.


Btw has anyone else seen The Pacific mini-series?

[8wid]

An old John F. Kennedy. He looks too much like Jimmy Carter.

[Thundercrack85]

Not really sure I follow you.

[Thundercrack85]

I had the misfortune of seeing part of the Red Dawn remake today, and it started a bit of a debate with a friend. Could the United States ever be conceivably invaded by a foreign power?

Obviously the notion of North Korea invading the United States is idiotic. No one would debate that. But China? In twenty years when it's a real super power?

I don't see a Chinese invasion of Japan as farfetched at all (nor do the Japanese, apparently). But America?

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I had the misfortune of seeing part of the Red Dawn remake today, and it started a bit of a debate with a friend. Could the United States ever be conceivably invaded by a foreign power?

Obviously the notion of North Korea invading the United States is idiotic. No one would debate that. But China? In twenty years when it's a real super power?

I don't see a Chinese invasion of Japan as farfetched at all (nor do the Japanese, apparently). But America?

They might be able set off a dirty bomb in the docks in California. Wait for it to cause chaos then attack from the air and invade by land, but I don't think they would ever be able to put down all the resistance and hold it. The South would pose the most militia threat. I live on the East Coast, and the Appalachian offers a sturdy defense against ground troops. I know the hills well, and could conceivably survive the length of an invasion if need be. Many in this part of the country can make the same claim. Some have some crazy weapon stashes and the know how to construct formidable means of defense and offense. Then you have the miltary bases and large military personel, and when you factor in the sheer size of the country I don't see a ground invasion being practical. Nuclear weapons and bombs would be the only way, but for that we have our missle defense shields which would need to be taken offline.

[Thundercrack85]

I think they could conceivably take Hawaii, provided they take Japan and South Korea first (which is quite manageable).

There's also the Alaska option if Russia is helping them. Sort of a classic World War III scenario, but it still holds true.

They would presumably take out / occupy the Panama Canal first.

I can't see any invasion going beyond the Rockies. Be stretched too thin.

[Hobgoblin]

I think any direct Chinese military action against the mainland U.S. is just too unlikely to think about. Our countries are too far apart for their supply lines to hold, our country is too big and too populous. Many of us are armed to the teeth and have been playing Black Ops for so long that we welcome the chance to "play the game" in real life.

Besides, if the Chinese really wanted to hit us, there are better ways to do it, besides militarily. They own a hell of a lot of our debt, as well as our businesses. They could easily screw with us financially, or even with cyber warfare.

[Venom75]

Originally Posted by 8wid

What does everyone think of this idea?

Hitler and Eva Braun fled Berlin and died (divorced) of old age in Argentina

I don't believe that for a second. For anyone who has actually studied Adolf Hitler and his personality,you should know that he viewed his end like a classic Wagnerian tragedy. The Fuhrer of the German Reich,in the heart of Berlin fighting to the death against the communist hordes. That's how he wanted to go. A grand and epic ending to a grand and epic life. I'm sure he entertained thoughts of escape ,but realized that he would have to be on the run for the rest of his life,and always be looking over his shoulder. Everyone wants to turn everything into a conspiracy these days.
The Fuhrer died in Berlin in 1945. That's it.

[Marvolo]

Originally Posted by Hobgoblin

I think any direct Chinese military action against the mainland U.S. is just too unlikely to think about. Our countries are too far apart for their supply lines to hold, our country is too big and too populous. Many of us are armed to the teeth and have been playing Black Ops for so long that we welcome the chance to "play the game" in real life.

Besides, if the Chinese really wanted to hit us, there are better ways to do it, besides militarily. They own a hell of a lot of our debt, as well as our businesses. They could easily screw with us financially, or even with cyber warfare.

That bit worries me. Many would find that real combat is not all unlimited sprint and featherlight guns. I fear we have created a generation of armchair rambos who would get themselves killed quickly. If we ever are invaded the best thing the civillian population can do is forget about Call of Duty. They must look to their true champion, FPSRussia.

[Hobgoblin]

Originally Posted by Marvolo

That bit worries me. Many would find that real combat is not all unlimited sprint and featherlight guns. I fear we have created a generation of armchair rambos who would get themselves killed quickly.

I do see your point. A fat nerd eating Doritos and playing video games is a far cry from a real, battle hardened insurgent. Many people would fall in that category but many others would not.

[Thundercrack85]

Well, never underestimate a well armed group of hicks. The British did, and we all know how that turned out.

I just thought it was an interesting hypothetical.

I can't really see World War III happening without nukes. However, the proliferation of missile defense systems, and their increasing sophistication, does mean that it could turn into a protracted semi-conventional war.

[SV Fan]

Just Saw Bill Maher mention this last night I sort of thought it was funny

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/we-...en-since-1776/

(basically saying all but 21 years of the US' 235+ year history we have been involved in a war of some kind)

Year-by-year Timeline of America’s Major Wars (1776-2011)

1776 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War
1777 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War
1778 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
1779 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
1780 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
1781 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
1782 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
1783 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
1784 – Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War
1785 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1786 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1787 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1788 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1789 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1790 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1791 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1792 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1793 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1794 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
1795 – Northwest Indian War
1796 – No major war
1797 – No major war
1798 – Quasi-War
1799 – Quasi-War
1800 – Quasi-War
1801 – First Barbary War
1802 – First Barbary War
1803 – First Barbary War
1804 – First Barbary War
1805 – First Barbary War
1806 – Sabine Expedition
1807 – No major war
1808 – No major war
1809 – No major war
1810 – U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida
1811 – Tecumseh’s War
1812 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida
1813 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida
1814 – War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war
1815 – War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war
1816 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war
1817 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war
1818 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war
1819 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war
1820 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war
1821 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)
1822 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)
1823 – Anti-piracy war, Arikara War
1824 – Anti-piracy war
1825 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war
1826 – No major war
1827 – Winnebago War
1828 – No major war
1829 – No major war
1830 – No major war
1831 - Sac and Fox Indian War
1832 – Black Hawk War
1833 – Cherokee Indian War
1834 – Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign
1835 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War
1836 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War
1837 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War
1838 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War
1839 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars
1840 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands
1841 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa
1842 – Seminole Wars
1843 – U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast
1844 – Texas-Indian Wars
1845 – Texas-Indian Wars
1846 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars
1847 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars
1848 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War
1849 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians
1850 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition
1851 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars
1852 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars
1853 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars
1854 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians
1855 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay
1856 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War
1857 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua
1858 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d’Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay
1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown’s raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1860 – Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War
1861 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign
1862 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,
1863 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War
1864 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War
1865 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War
1866 – Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China
1867 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan
1868 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Wa****a River, Franklin County War
1869 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War
1870 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War
1871 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea
1872 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War
1873 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1874 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1875 – Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1876 – Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1877 – Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1878 – Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1879 – Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1880 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1881 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1882 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1883 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1884 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1885 – Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1886 – Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1887 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1888 – U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1889 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1890 – Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1891 – Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1892 – Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
1893 – U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii
1894 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1895 - U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances
1896 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
1897 – No major war
1898 – Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances
1899 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1900 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1901 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1902 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1903 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1904 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1905 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1906 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1907 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1908 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1909 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1910 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1911 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1912 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
1913 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War
1914 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico
1915 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War
1916 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico
1917 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico
1918 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico
1919 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico
1920 – Banana Wars
1921 – Banana Wars
1922 – Banana Wars
1923 – Banana Wars, Posey War
1924 – Banana Wars
1925 – Banana Wars
1926 – Banana Wars
1927 – Banana Wars
1928 – Banana Wars
1930 – Banana Wars
1931 – Banana Wars
1932 – Banana Wars
1933 – Banana Wars
1934 – Banana Wars
1935 – No major war
1936 – No major war
1937 – No major war
1938 – No major war
1939 – No major war
1940 – No major war
1941 – World War II
1942 – World War II
1943 – Wold War II
1944 – World War II
1945 – World War II
1946 – Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)
1947 – Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)
1948 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)
1949 - Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)
1950 – Korean War, Jayuga Uprising
1951 – Korean War
1952 – Korean War
1953 – Korean War
1954 – Covert War in Guatemala
1955 – Vietnam War
1956 – Vietnam War
1957 – Vietnam War
1958 – Vietnam War
1959 – Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti
1960 – Vietam War
1961 – Vietnam War
1962 – Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)
1963 – Vietnam War
1964 – Vietnam War
1965 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic
1966 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic
1967 – Vietnam War
1968 – Vietnam War
1969 – Vietnam War
1970 – Vietnam War
1971 – Vietnam War
1972 – Vietnam War
1973 – Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War
1974 – Vietnam War
1975 – Vietnam War
1976 – No major war
1977 – No major war
1978 – No major war
1979 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)
1980 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)
1981 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident
1982 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon
1983 – Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon
1984 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf
1985 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)
1986 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)
1987 – Conflict in Persian Gulf
1988 – Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama
1989 – Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines
1990 – First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama
1991 – First Gulf War
1992 – Conflict in Iraq
1993 – Conflict in Iraq
1994 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti
1995 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina
1996 – Conflict in Iraq
1997 – No major war
1998 – Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan
1999 – Kosovo War
2000 – No major war
2001 – War on Terror in Afghanistan
2002 – War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen
2003 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq
2004 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
2005 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
2006 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
2007 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen
2008 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
2009 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
2010 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
2011 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)

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Originally Posted by 8wid

Panama Deception (Highlights) - 1989 US Invasion Of Panama

Watch this in whole. Does any of this sound like the current War on Terror, especially the invasion of Iraq?

Absolutely yes. Especially the part with the uneccecary civillian losses and the house burnings. Its the same story over and over again.