The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED)

[catgirl18]

on "The Mighty Thor 4" When him and Silver Surfer crash on Mars Silver surfer says, "That... that hurt even me" Thor "I didn't feel a thing, hold still"

thor would crack him like a nut.

[Captain Marvel]

Eric Masterson, when he was Thor, beat the hell out of Gladiator during Operation Galactic Storm and he wasn't amped up in any way. He just had Thor's normal powers. And in the recent Annihilators series, Beta Ray Bill has been classified in the same power level as the Silver Surfer and Gladiator.

[Captain Marvel]

Originally Posted by catgirl18

on "The Mighty Thor 4" When him and Silver Surfer crash on Mars Silver surfer says, "That... that hurt even me" Thor "I didn't feel a thing, hold still"

thor would crack him like a nut.

To be fair, Fraction's writing in that series sucks ass. I had more than a few head scratcher moments in that whole story, although yeah, Thor can take the Silver Surfer. That's about all that Fraction got right.

[The Morningstar]

That's PIS then. The writer either forgot that Gladiator is nearly as fast as The Flash, or he just left it out because the fight would be boring otherwise.

Thor if written correctly, no PIS, would have no chance against Surfer or Gladiator. They're too fast. They'd speed blitz him. Surfer has feats like, destroying thousands of starships in the blink of an eye. Outrunning a blast that destroyed 4 Solar Systems in a matter of seconds. Searching every single human on Earth in the blink of an eye. Blowing planets up with a flick of his wrist.

Gladiator, I think in an old F4 comic, was so fast a time dilation, that effectively froze the entire Marvel Universe, had no effect on him. He's cracked planets in half with punches. He's probably the most underrated powerhouse Marvel has.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

That's PIS then. The writer either forgot that Gladiator is nearly as fast as The Flash, or he just left it out because the fight would be boring otherwise.

Thor if written correctly, no PIS, would have no chance against Surfer or Gladiator. They're too fast. They'd speed blitz him.

When does Surfer ever speed blitz anyone, that's not even his fighting style.

Like I said before, Thor's able to swing his hammer FTL and it HAS been shown since he's able to keep up with the likes of most cosmic characters.

[catgirl18]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

That's PIS then. The writer either forgot that Gladiator is nearly as fast as The Flash, or he just left it out because the fight would be boring otherwise.

Thor if written correctly, no PIS, would have no chance against Surfer or Gladiator. They're too fast. They'd speed blitz him. Surfer has feats like, destroying thousands of starships in the blink of an eye. Outrunning a blast that destroyed 4 Solar Systems in a matter of seconds. Searching every single human on Earth in the blink of an eye. Blowing planets up with a flick of his wrist.

Gladiator, I think in an old F4 comic, was so fast a time dilation, that effectively froze the entire Marvel Universe, had no effect on him. He's cracked planets in half with punches. He's probably the most underrated powerhouse Marvel has.

Thor owning him.

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by BigThor

When does Surfer ever speed blitz anyone, that's not even his fighting style.

Like I said before, Thor's able to swing his hammer FTL and it HAS been shown since he's able to keep up with the likes of most cosmic characters.

He's speed blitzed more than Thor ever has. He's blown planets up. Never seen Thor do that. He's opened black holes at will. Countless other ridiculous things.

Surfer is too fast and just has too many different powers for Thor to handle.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Captain Marvel

Eric Masterson, when he was Thor, beat the hell out of Gladiator during Operation Galactic Storm and he wasn't amped up in any way. He just had Thor's normal powers. And in the recent Annihilators series, Beta Ray Bill has been classified in the same power level as the Silver Surfer and Gladiator.

For some reason he doesn't want to believe it even though it's been proved several times, plus the feats he's listing are incredible but everyone seems more powerful outside of a fight (even Thor).

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

He's speed blitzed more than Thor ever has. He's blown planets up. Never seen Thor do that. He's opened black holes at will. Countless other ridiculous things.

Surfer is too fast and just has too many different powers for Thor to handle.

Like I said he still rarely speed blitzes in battle and Thor being able to swing his hammer FTL is clearly the reason he's able to keep up with FTL opponents.

[Oberon sexton]

Even though I don't really care for the character, I've always found it ridiculous that fans say Thor killed Sentry/the Void.

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by catgirl18

Thor owning him.

That's when Thor had the Power Gem and Warrior's Madness. Which makes him about a thousand times more powerful than he usually is.

[catgirl18]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

That's when Thor had the Power Gem and Warrior's Madness. Which makes him about a thousand times more powerful than he usually is.

thor would crack him like a nut.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Oberon sexton

Even though I don't really care for the character, I've always found it ridiculous that fans say Thor killed Sentry/the Void.

Yeah I wouldn't even say Thor killed Sentry, but he was giving the Void a pretty hard time even before Bob Reynolds took control

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by BigThor

For some reason he doesn't want to believe it even though it's been proved several times, plus the feats he's listing are incredible but everyone seems more powerful outside of a fight (even Thor).

Those times were PIS then. It's that simple. That's how comics work, different alterations are made so the fights are more even thus, entertaining. I mean if you was to take everything the stories say at face value then Spider-Man can defeat a Herald of Galactus. Black Panther can put Silver Surfer in an arm lock. Batman can beat Superman. Wolverine gives Hulk a harder time than Thor.

But if a writer wrote a straight up fight between Thor and Surfer/Gladiator, no PIS, no ignoring or changing characters powers, Thor wouldn't have a chance. They are simply too fast and too powerful. They have feats that are far and beyond Thor's.

Thor should be able to speed blitz characters like Hulk. But Surfer or Gladiator? Guys who consistently operate hundreds of times faster than light?

Originally Posted by Oberon sexton

Even though I don't really care for the character, I've always found it ridiculous that fans say Thor killed Sentry/the Void.

Thor didn't kill the Void, Bob Reynolds fought back and allowed himself to be killed. It was basically suicide by Thor. lol

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by catgirl18

thor would crack him like a nut.

With the Power Gem and Warrior's Madness? Yea.

Without? No, Thor would be out cold before he even realised he was being attacked.

[BigThor]

I really get tired of the whole "he can beat this guy" type debates because they never really accomplish anything, but whether you like or not Thor's proven he's in the same league as both of those guys.

You can list feats and what they've done outside of battle all day long, but the fact is he HAS beaten them a healthy number of times.

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I really get tired of the whole "he can beat this guy" type debates because they never really accomplish anything, but whether you like or not Thor's proven he's in the same league as both of those guys.

You can list feats and what they've done outside of battle all day long, but the fact is he HAS beaten them a healthy number of times.

The fact is Spider-Man has knocked out Fire Lord. The fact is Batman has beaten Superman. The fact is Deathstroke has landed punches on The Flash.

Doesn't mean it's right. It's just plot induced stupidity, and/or bad writing.

[Captain Marvel]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

That's when Thor had the Power Gem and Warrior's Madness. Which makes him about a thousand times more powerful than he usually is.

He didn't have the Power Gem at the time. He got it later in the crossover.

[catgirl18]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

With the Power Gem and Warrior's Madness? Yea.

Without? No, Thor would be out cold before he even realised he was being attacked.

, Surfer doesn't stand a chance even though he moves 4 times the speed of light, Thor has beaten THE Silver Surfer:

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by Captain Marvel

He didn't have the Power Gem at the time. He got it later in the crossover.

Fair point. But still, Warrior's Madness Thor is not normal Thor.

Originally Posted by catgirl18

, Surfer doesn't stand a chance even though he moves 4 times the speed of light, Thor has beaten THE Silver Surfer:

Yes, with a big helping of "plot induced stupidity" and in Fraction's case, crap writing. Being faster than the speed of light makes Surfer untouchable when fighting someone like Thor. It's just when they have fought the writer leaves that out to make the fight more entertaining. Same way whenever Thor and Hulk fight the writer leaves out the fact that Thor is much faster than Hulk, can fly and can use Mjolnir to dimension/time dump him, because if he did that the fight would be boring.

That's how comic stories work.

[Oberon sexton]

Couldn't, theoretically, Silver Surfer just destabilize Thor's molecules?

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

The fact is Spider-Man has knocked out Fire Lord. The fact is Batman has beaten Superman. The fact is Deathstroke has landed punches on The Flash.

Doesn't mean it's right. It's just plot induced stupidity, and/or bad writing.

This wasn't a one time thing though, you can't call "PIS" when someone's beaten someone almost everytime they've fought.

Just because you want them to be out of Thor's league doesn't mean they are, I don't know how many times Thor has to beat on them for you to understand this.

Originally Posted by Oberon sexton

Couldn't, theoretically, Silver Surfer just destabilize Thor's molecules?

He probably could, but Thor's hammer is more power than Surfer's power cosmic which was stated by Sufer himself.

[The Morningstar]

Thor as an Asgardian and Elder God probably has natural resistance to transmutation/molecule warping.

Still, he's too slow.

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by BigThor

This wasn't a one time thing though, you can't call "PIS" when someone's beaten someone almost everytime they've fought.

Just because you want them to be out of Thor's league doesn't mean they are, I don't know how many times Thor has to beat on them for you to understand this.

How hard is it for you to understand this; Every time Surfer and Gladiator have fought Thor the writer hasn't written Surfer or Glads at their full power because if they were the fight would be over before Thor blinked? That is how fast they are, Thor couldn't even perceive the attack if all characters were written correctly and in line with previous portrayals. He has ridiculous endurance though so he's not getting put down easy. But i don't see what he can do to them, seeing as he can't see them, let alone hit them.

But when "name" characters fight there is always PIS. Whether to have the more popular character win, or to make the fight even if both characters are as popular as one another, or simply to serve a story element. That's just the way it is.

Why do you think Hulk usually gets the upper hand over Thor? It's because he's more popular. Really, PIS out the window, Thor could speed blitz Hulk, or teleport him to some other dimension. But that would make for a boring fight and Marvel wants the fans debating the outcomes.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sorry but beyond shoddy writing I just dont see how Thor could beat The Silver Surfer.

Hulk beats Thor quite regularly in the comics, and yet Hulk has never defeated SS in the comics, even in Planet Hulk, and severly weakened SS took on Hulk and his Warbound and easily had the better of the fight, Hulk was only able to get a hit on Surfer through a sucker punch when SS had stopped fighting. Add to this Surfer taking out Tenebrous and Aegis, two Galactus level beings, in Annihilation and I just done see Thor being realisticaly poweful enough to take SS down.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Thor as an Asgardian and Elder God probably has natural resistance to transmutation/molecule warping.

Still, he's too slow.

Being able to swing Mjolnir FTL means he's able to keep up since that also means he's reaction is FTL, I'm sorry but he's in the same power class as those guys no matter if you chose to believe it or not.