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[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Not "get over", but rather "deal with"

The majority of people don't enter extreme states of depression. Yeah life sucks, but you kind of have to deal and make the most of your situation. As someone else said, you can see it in his face when he's looking up into the stars

Yeah, I don't buy that. It was just rushed storytelling. If you "deal with" the death of your beloved father, a death you caused, the say they showed in Thor I can't help but believe you didn't really care about him.

[Drummerdude7]

Oh hey Thread Manager. You're frequenting this place a lot more now, aren't you?

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Poni_Boy

Yeah, I don't buy that. It was just rushed storytelling. If you "deal with" the death of your beloved father, a death you caused, the say they showed in Thor I can't help but believe you didn't really care about him.

That's a very simple way of looking at a more complex issue, imo. People react to death and loss in different ways, some internalize their grief and just suck it up

[Poni_Boy]

Can't quote your statement @DoomsdayApex but I do agree. It just felt rushed and toothless outside of Loki and Odin

[Drummerdude7]

To be fair Chewy, after seeing the look of grief in Thor's eyes and just how bad that death news hit him, it didn't seem very evocative of his character to just "get over it" or suck it up so easily. That scene, to me, showed me that despite their argument, Thor was very close to his father over the years.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Drummerdude7

To be fair Chewy, after seeing the look of grief in Thor's eyes and just how bad that death news hit him, it didn't seem very evocative of his character to just "get over it" or suck it up so easily. That scene, to me, showed me that despite their argument, Thor was very close to his father.

Getting over was poor phrasing on my part. Getting on with life is a better way of putting it. You would obviously be hurting emotionally, but you don't have to let that define you or determine how you act.

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

That's a very simple way of looking at a more complex issue, imo. People react to death and loss in different ways, some internalize their grief and just suck it up

Which, again, proved my point. If he just sucked it up only hours after dealing with it, his father's death really had nothing to do with his change. It was all because of Jane. And it only took two days with her to realize he should change. Don't like.

[shigsy2003]

I would put the five;

Iron Man
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Captain America

[Kirmit]

My only issue with 'Thor' was how quickly everything happened, he fell in love and found his humanity all in the space of a day or so of being banished, I feel it would've been better if he'd spent a while banished on earth.

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by Drummerdude7

Oh hey Thread Manager. You're frequenting this place a lot more now, aren't you?

GEE I wonder why ?lol
I think I get MAYBE 3 words in these days compared to alot of the posters here. lol (work sux)

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Poni_Boy

Which, again, proved my point. If he just sucked it up only hours after dealing with it, his father's death really had nothing to do with his change. It was all because of Jane. And it only took two days with her to realize he should change. Don't like.

So should there have been a few scenes of him moping around on a couch and telling Jane he's too sad to talk?

I just mean, grieving people do laugh. Laughter during a time of grief is often a great source of relief

[Drummerdude7]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

My only issue with 'Thor' was how quickly everything happened, he fell in love and found his humanity all in the space of a day or so of being banished, I feel it would've been better if he'd spent a while banished on earth.

Yup, that's what we've been debating the past few pages!

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

My only issue with 'Thor' was how quickly everything happened, he fell in love and found his humanity all in the space of a day or so of being banished, I feel it would've been better if he'd spent a while banished on earth.

Yep. That's my main issue and it really detracted from what could have been the most emotionally deep Marvel Studios movie to date.

[Drummerdude7]

Originally Posted by Chewy

So should there have been a few scenes of him moping around on a couch and telling Jane he's too sad to talk?

I just mean, grieving people do laugh. Laughter during a time of grief is often a great source of relief

I lol'd pretty hard.

[DoomsdayApex]

For the sake of humor, the director and writers made Thor seem more than naive. Take for instance the restaurant scene.

What? Do the Gods not have manners and/or wine & dine like civilized beings?

I know they were just trying to inject humor into the film, but it really made Thor appear like a brainless Viking.

[The Morningstar]

The problem with Thor ultimately is the problem with what Marvel is doing. If Thor didn't have to tie into Avengers then there may well have been more time for him to develop and gain humility on Earth.

But like i've said before, when you try to do some thing big and impactful, some sacrifices have to be made.

Hopefully the solo films after Avengers will have a bit more breathing room, narrative wise.

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

So should there have been a few scenes of him moping around on a couch and telling Jane he's too sad to talk?

I just mean, grieving people do laugh. Laughter during a time of grief is often a great source of relief

I dunno, that's one way of going it. Or he could have been more somber. More hesitant to speak or act on anything. There are a thousand different ways to show the grieving process and it's been depicted so in plenty of films. It was just depicted badly and very rushed in Thor.

[Drummerdude7]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayApex

For the sake of humor, the director and writers made Thor seem more than naive. Take for instance the restaurant scene.

What? Do the Gods not have manners and/or wine & dine like civilized beings?

I know they were just trying to inject humor into the film, but it really made Thor appear like a brainless Viking.

Well, it was more indicative of their culture. Thor is primarily based off of Norse and Viking mythology, and small things like that are typical...or stereotypical of that culture. There's clearly a heirarchy structure seen in Asgard..there are guards, kings, servants and etc. So Thor, being from that "culture" is used to servants bringing him ANOTHER!

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayApex

For the sake of humor, the director and writers made Thor seem more than naive. Take for instance the restaurant scene.

What? Do the Gods not have manners and/or wine & dine like civilized beings?

I know they were just trying to inject humor into the film, but it really made Thor appear like a brainless Viking.

lol, well that is how they used to act in the old "mead halls".

But that scene i thought worked well because of Thor's reaction to Jane telling him off. The film noticeably pauses on his face in reaction to her.

I think that is what initially made him attracted to her. Think of it this way, Thor is the star QB for the high school football team, he has women throwing themselves at him. Then along comes one who doesn't take any of his ****, it's understandable he'd be at least curious about her.

The humour wasn't there just for the sake of it. The hospital and pet store scenes show his naivety and Princely arrogance. The cafe scene showed that initial spark, his fascination with this girl who doesn't take his **** and is interested in him not because he is a Prince, but him because of him, as a person. That's why it worked, for me.

[Kirmit]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

The problem with Thor ultimately is the problem with what Marvel is doing. If Thor didn't have to tie into Avengers then there may well have been more time for him to develop and gain humility on Earth.

But like i've said before, when you try to do some thing big and impactful, some sacrifices have to be made.

Hopefully the solo films after Avengers will have a bit more breathing room, narrative wise.

I don't see how the over plan was the problem, they could've just set Thor a few years in the past.

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

I don't see how the over plan was the problem, they could've just set Thor a few years in the past.

Yahtzee.

[The Morningstar]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

I don't see how the over plan was the problem, they could've just set Thor a few years in the past.

That's the problem though, they couldn't have it set in the past, because it had to tie into the MCU as a whole. Whilst the whole interconnecting story approach is great, it does inevitably take away the opportunities for the solo movies.

I would have loved to have seen a Thor film set in the middle ages or something. An earlier Ragnarok cycle. Or hopefully in the second film they do spend a lot of time in other realms.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Kirmit

I don't see how the over plan was the problem, they could've just set Thor a few years in the past.

But if he spent any extended amount of time on Earth, he probably would have learned who Captain America and Tony Stark were, since they are "celebrities"

And him not knowing who they are informs the forest fight in this film