Atheism: Love it or Leave it? - Part 4

[Galactus123]

Originally Posted by DBryan

Atheists should be registered.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=69160

The views expressed there are not satire.

Gotta hand it to them, they know their bible.

Is that site a joke? It just has to be.

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by Deathlok

But you'll never go hungry...

Originally Posted by KalMart

Was Jesus the customer ordering the nugget? If so, I've had that dream too...except it was wings.

Nah my Jesus dreams and my baby frying dreams tend to be seperate.

Originally Posted by KalMart

Don't look to a god or the like, look within. An if you can't find or make reason or meaning there, then you really aren't special...you're a herd animal looking for a shepherd.

This

[DBryan]

I get a kick out of discussion/arguing around this issue but I think I'm starting to become bored of it.

I think I've talked about before how the older I get, the less seriously I can take religion. I can't take people who make these claims seriously. And over and over and over again, its just a brick wall in which people refuse to listen to reason. And I'm having a harder time telling the difference between fundamentalists, and people doing it for satire.

The twitter logo is satanic.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

Has to be satire!! It has to be!!

But then again he has a video where its just him reading stuff from the bible. And a whole bunch of weird UFO conspiracy videos.

I became aware of his videos after arguing with him on a totally separate video comments page, in which he said stuff like...

And of course, what I say will not be reasonable to those who cannot see. Then I will get my head chopped off. However, even as the guillotine is falling towards my neck, I will still say: Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of lords. Just because those who are chopping my head off can't see the truth, it doesn't change the fact that I can. Of course, a lot of people think I am mental. But there's not much I can do about that. Jesus is Lord!

No, I wholeheartedly believe that because I am saying what I am saying (ie: that I love the Lord and don't care if people call me crazy), I am liable to literally get my head chopped off, just as soon as the beast is in full swing. That's unless I am not changed in the twinkling of an eye first. But I do hope and pray that I will be raised incorruptible before I get my head chopped off. For more info, read 1 Corinthians, Chapter 15. It is a very interesting chapter of the Bible.

I mean... I just don't know anymore, who is for real and who is just having a laugh by pretending.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by DBryan

I get a kick out of discussion/arguing around this issue but I think I'm starting to become bored of it.

I think I've talked about before how the older I get, the less seriously I can take religion. I can't take people who make these claims seriously. And over and over and over again, its just a brick wall in which people refuse to listen to reason. And I'm having a harder time telling the difference between fundamentalists, and people doing it for satire.

The twitter logo is satanic.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

Has to be satire!! It has to be!!

But then again he has a video where its just him reading stuff from the bible. And a whole bunch of weird UFO conspiracy videos.

I became aware of his videos after arguing with him on a totally separate video comments page, in which he said stuff like...





I mean... I just don't know anymore, who is for real and who is just having a laugh by pretending.

Ah, the wonder of Poe's Law...

[DBryan]

This has been presented to me as undeniable evidence of creationism.



Undeniable.

[enterthemadness]

Wouldn't that actually support evolution/big bang more?

And for giggles, I don't see any hands in these pics...

[KalMart]

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[KalMart]

[enterthemadness]

A tennis ball and CGI planet...

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by enterthemadness

A tennis ball and CGI planet...

I think that "CGI" planet is either Venus or Mars...

[Schlosser85]

Landover Baptist is a satirical site parodying Westboro Baptist Church.

[Shemtov]

An Open Letter to Atheists:
Before you make any sweeping genralazations about religion or religious people, please consider what you would say if your statement was said by a theist about atheism.
Thank you,
Theists of the world

[Thundercrack85]

The only sweeping generalization I will make is that they are all wrong. Which is what religious people tell me I am anyway. Well that, and that I will pay for my insolence.

But I do believe in keeping the discussion polite.

[Hit-Girl]

Originally Posted by Shemtov

An Open Letter to Atheists:
Before you make any sweeping genralazations about religion or religious people, please consider what you would say if your statement was said by a theist about atheism.
Thank you,
Theists of the world

The only thing all atheists have in common is a non-belief in god/s.

Theists would do well to consider they're usually only one god away from being atheists too.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by Hit-Girl

The only thing all atheists have in common is a non-belief in god/s.

The only thing Theists have in common is a belief in god/s.

Shemtov was referring to the picture you posted, a picture which is a bit distasteful. If theism is a virus then so are all thoughts, ideas, ideologies, and so on. I have heard it said that thoughts can be likened to viruses, minus all the bad stuff.

The true virus is fundamentalism. It is entirely possible for a Theist to be a liberal, an evolutionist, a scientist, and even a skeptic (among other things). Theism is not just Christianity, Islam, and Judaism (for it includes Eastern religions and all forms of Deism), and even those three religions are not populated entirely or even mostly by fundamentalists.

It should also be noted that fundamentalism is not a problem unique to Theism. Any grouping around an idea is vulnerable to it. Consider the comic wars: DC vs. Marvel. That is certainly fundamentalism (coming from someone who likes both; I adored The Avengers and I'm still anticipating TDKR like I've never anticipated a movie in my life).

And how about environmentalism and Animal Protection/Rights? If PETA aren't fundamentalists, then I don't know what is.

[Dr.]

Originally Posted by NateHevens

Theism is not just Christianity, Islam, and Judaism (for it includes Eastern religions and all forms of Deism)...

Hang on while I don my pedant’s hat…

I’d dispute that deism is a subset of theism. The terms denote significantly different versions of god. If they were substantially the same, we could dispense with the separate terminology.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by Dr.

Hang on while I don my pedant’s hat…

I’d dispute that deism is a subset of theism. The terms denote significantly different versions of god. If they were substantially the same, we could dispense with the separate terminology.

I'd say that depends upon the definition, but I've been fond of the basic, denotative definitions as implied by the words theism and atheism. This means that theism is "the belief in a higher power or powers" (and atheism is the lack thereof).

By that definition, Deism (and its subforms) certainly is a form of theism.


ETA...
Anyone here good with making banners/headers? I need one for my blog that summarizes (in picture form, preferably) the things I talk about, which are atheism, music, feminism, fanaticism, movies, and so on. If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.

[childeroland]

Would you say pantheism--particularly Spinoza'a variety--is also a form of theism in the broadest sense or better classified as naturalism?

[Lighthouse]

I'd like to discuss more about Ismism.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by childeroland

Would you say pantheism--particularly Spinoza'a variety--is also a form of theism in the broadest sense or better classified as naturalism?

Depends on the form of Pantheism. There is something called Naturalistic Pantheism, which basically is, as Richard Dawkins says, "sexed up atheism". I've thought about calling myself a Naturalistic Pantheist, seeing as how fascinated by and in awe of the Universe I am, which is basically what Naturalistic Pantheism is all about.

Spinoza's variety, however, is a form of Deism, and thus falls under the umbrella term of "theism".

Though I would note that Spinoza's ideas are claimed more by Pandeism, as Pantheism had already been around before Spinoza. Naturalistic Pantheism does take its cue from Spinoza, as well, but Spinoza was not using God as a metaphor... he believed in the literal truth of what he taught.

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

I'd like to discuss more about Ismism.

You'll have to define it, first...

[enterthemadness]

^_^ today I learned that the Confucianism word "Shu" means the Golden rule. Basically treat others how you want to be treated.

Also, if a big rock slammed into the planet--comet/asteroid or zombies, or worse--Nazi Zombies..if any happened, would that disprove the big 3 religions?

[Hit-Girl]

Originally Posted by NateHevens

The only thing Theists have in common is a belief in god/s.

Shemtov was referring to the picture you posted, a picture which is a bit distasteful. If theism is a virus then so are all thoughts, ideas, ideologies, and so on. I have heard it said that thoughts can be likened to viruses, minus all the bad stuff.

The true virus is fundamentalism. It is entirely possible for a Theist to be a liberal, an evolutionist, a scientist, and even a skeptic (among other things). Theism is not just Christianity, Islam, and Judaism (for it includes Eastern religions and all forms of Deism), and even those three religions are not populated entirely or even mostly by fundamentalists.

It should also be noted that fundamentalism is not a problem unique to Theism. Any grouping around an idea is vulnerable to it. Consider the comic wars: DC vs. Marvel. That is certainly fundamentalism (coming from someone who likes both; I adored The Avengers and I'm still anticipating TDKR like I've never anticipated a movie in my life).

And how about environmentalism and Animal Protection/Rights? If PETA aren't fundamentalists, then I don't know what is.

No, all religion promotes the belief in things that don't exist. When one person claims, "I have a god and he told me this", another can say, "No, you're wrong. God doesn't tell people to do THAT, he tells them to do THIS."

The smallest irrational belief plants the seeds for bigger ones. Eventually you have these imaginary beings at war. At least with movies you have tangible products to discuss. You know what goes into them, who made them, etc.

But I agree with you on fundamentalism in general.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by Hit-Girl

No, all religion promotes the belief in things that don't exist. When one person claims, "I have a god and he told me this", another can say, "No, you're wrong. God doesn't tell people to do THAT, he tells them to do THIS."

The smallest irrational belief plants the seeds for bigger ones. Eventually you have these imaginary beings at war. At least with movies you have tangible products to discuss. You know what goes into them, who made them, etc.

But I agree with you on fundamentalism in general.

Can you prove that those things don't exist?

"God absolutely does not exist" is a positive claim, and thus the person who says it incurs the burden of proof.

You can start by defining "God".

[Hit-Girl]

Originally Posted by NateHevens

Can you prove that those things don't exist?

"God absolutely does not exist" is a positive claim, and thus the person who says it incurs the burden of proof.

You can start by defining "God".

If they existed there would be evidence for them. Otherwise how would you know they exist?

You cannot "define" a thing into existence.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by Hit-Girl

If they existed there would be evidence for them. Otherwise how would you know they exist?

You cannot "define" a thing into existence.

And you missed my point.

Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence, and we don't yet know what caused the Big Bang.

I asked you to start by defining which god you're talking about, so I'd know where we'd be.

For example... if you define "god" as omnimax Yahweh, then I think we can both agree that he doesn't exist. In fact, if you define "god" to be in any way personal, we'd also be in agreement that he/she/they/it doesn't exist. Personal gods can be logically and evidentially ruled out.

So now that we have that out of the way, what's your best evidence against Pandeism?