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Old 06-05-2012, 01:13 PM   #101
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The deaths in X-Men 3 didn't make it a bad film. It was the reason for the deaths and the way they were handled. Cyclops was killed after three minutes of screen time just because he wanted to work on Superman with Bryan Singer. All the other deaths fell flat because Brett Ratner can't film emotion. He wanted to kill characters for the simple sake of killing characters.

To say the characters should all be completely safe from death really handcuffs the filmmakers and makes the movie feel safe. If there's a good reason to kill a character, a powerful scene in which to do it, I'm all in. Matthew Vaughn is a better filmmaker and writer than Ratner will ever be, and if his story involves knocking off Banshee or whoever, go for broke, man.
Yeah I know I was speaking generally.

Having a good reason for a death of a major character is not enough for me as you are compromising the whole future of the franchise for whoever comes in after you. It has to be a great franchise defining moment that most people after seeing it would agree was the right thing to do. It doesn't matter for the minor characters like Darwin though. Kill away!

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Not sure where you've gotten the idea that Ratner can't film emotion from.

You know it was actually Vaughn that was responsible for the deaths, right? They were written into the script he developed before he left the project. Ratner just shot a partialy rewritten version of Vaughn's script.

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Here Is my thoughts on this.

X4 Is officially dead.

Last year Matthew Vaughn talked about bringing back Patrick Stewert and Ian Mckellan for flashforward for sequel.There Is chance of seeing original characters In future scenes In Days of future past future

we know Lauren Shueller Donner wants to do days of future Past.

This Means first Class can remain prequel to X-Men and X2.The sequel can be seen after other films since time travel can create something to give them leaveway to make some changes.Just like Star Trek.The other films(at least X-Men and X2) still happened but time travel has caused something to change.

Speculation here:we start in future with sentinles unleashed On world.Time travel Allows character to be sent to past.Perhapes the event which caused
the public to be aware of mutants evenlully leads to creation of sentintles.So character from future tries to stop It.Perhapes something else which affects the future happens.

We may have figured out why Fox Is giving them so much time for this film.

They can have It both ways like Star Trek.They keep the series going and time travel created problems allows them to keep It fresh.
First off, a St. Louis guy huh ? I'm down in Cape Girardeau. Cardinals need to pick it up.

Second, I don't know if this means X4 is dead. But if this movie turns out to be a sequel to First Class and X3...I will be X-static !!!

Because, to me, that means we'll see a good majority of the cast from the original trilogy (whom I love) and the cast from First Class (which was also a great cast).

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It was fox that caused the death of Cyclops and Xavier.The writers had to fight to get
Cyclops In Film.They wanted an offscreen death Inbetween films.It was the studio that
wanted Xavier to be killed although they later let them leave the door open for Xavier's
return with his mind In new body In post credits scene which according to commantary was Xavier's brain dead twin brother.

Matthew Vaughn Is better director than Brett ratner and actully knows the X-Men much
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There are certain things I want to see in a sequel to First Class. Professor X was just paralyzed by the end of FC, yet it didn't really show the impact it had on him. One scene he gets shot and says "I can't feel my legs!" Then another scene he is in a wheelchair like nothing really happened. I want to see the effects that this had on him, and how it has hurt him inside. He also was "betrayed" by Magneto. What does that do to him?
That's exactly what McAvoy said in an interview...the fact that Charles had to deal with the betrayal of his best friend and only family, plus the loss of his mobility, and he expected both would be addressed in the sequel.

And you're right, the transition from one scene (I can't feel my legs) to the other (next thing you know I'll be going bald) was awful. The impact of Charles being paralyzed was totally diluted when they showed him making jokes about a possible hair loss. Charles' last scene should've been at the hospital, his first realization that his life had changed forever.

The one thing I don't want to see in the sequel is a Charles all adapted and conformed to his new condition.

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First off, a St. Louis guy huh ? I'm down in Cape Girardeau. Cardinals need to pick it up.

Second, I don't know if this means X4 is dead. But if this movie turns out to be a sequel to First Class and X3...I will be X-static !!!

Because, to me, that means we'll see a good majority of the cast from the original trilogy (whom I love) and the cast from First Class (which was also a great cast).
I think now we have chance for opening sequenze with a few members of
Cast members from original trilogy with one character sent back In time who
can cross paths with first Class cast.

Matthew Vaughn last year talked about Bringing back Patrick Stewert and Ian Mckellan.Bryan Singer talked about Hugh Jackman In sequel.Shawn Ashmore
recently said he was still under contract.James Marsden after first Class came out made It clear he would return.Anna Paquin has said In past she would be up for returning as Rogue.

This Is win-win for fox,Lauren Shueller Donner,Bryan Singer,and Matthew Vaughn.The first film can remain a prequel to X-men and X2.The Wolverine can be last film totally In original timeline.In sequel time travel can cause some changes.It can be fresh be still be seen as contuning of X-men film
series.They can have connections to X-Men/X2 but don't have to stick to everything In those films and those films still happened.Plus If the deadpool film Is ever made they don't have to worry about wolverine.

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I think now we have chance for opening sequenze with a few members of
Cast members from original trilogy with one character sent back In time who
can cross paths with first Class cast.

Matthew Vaughn last year talked about Bringing back Patrick Stewert and Ian Mckellan.Bryan Singer talked about Hugh Jackman In sequel.Shawn Ashmore
recently said he was still under contract.James Marsden after first Class came out made It clear he would return.Anna Paquin has said In past she would be up for returning as Rogue.

This Is win-win for fox,Lauren Shueller Donner,Bryan Singer,and Matthew Vaughn.The first film can remain a prequel to X-men and X2.The Wolverine can be last film totally In original timeline.In sequel time travel can cause some changes.It can be fresh be still be seen as contuning of X-men film
series.They can have connections to X-Men/X2 but don't have to stick to everything In those films and those films still happened.Plus If the deadpool film Is ever made they don't have to worry about wolverine.
ALL THIS + 1 million. Definitely reminds of Star Trek 2009. I remember fans saying they're pissing all over the original films and ignoring everything that came before it...

No, not really. Those films happened, but things have changed due to alterations to the timeline. I can watch Star Trek II and Star Trek '09 and feel comfortable knowing both films exist and the don't negate each other.


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The deaths in X-Men 3 didn't make it a bad film. It was the reason for the deaths and the way they were handled. Cyclops was killed after three minutes of screen time just because he wanted to work on Superman with Bryan Singer. All the other deaths fell flat because Brett Ratner can't film emotion. He wanted to kill characters for the simple sake of killing characters.
To be honest, I didn't mind the deaths in X3 - but many fans did. A lot of fans and viewers did not want to see Xavier, Cyclops and even Jean killed off, or Rogue and Mystique cured. No matter how it was done.

The film was clearly intended to be a 'last stand' - a final chapter in that series. However, all those deaths and curings were not necessary. While Rogue taking the cure would no doubt be the choice of most teenage girls in the real world, it went against the themes of the movie. Cyclops could have been recast had they really wanted the character, but they chose to use the death to push forward Phoenix's arc as a destructive force who had reached a point of no return.

Most people just didn't want their favourites to die or be cured, that was the main problem.

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I think that you have to be careful with killing off key characters. Especially in the wake of X3, but also because of taking away people's favourites or defying the source material.

I would not be entirely comfortable with Banshee or Havok being bumped off. In the comics they both leave the team at various points - Havok goes off with Polaris when the new X-Men (Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler etc) arrive, and Banshee sticks around but leaves (for Muir Island to be with Moira MacTaggert) when he loses his sonic powers after overstraining them in a battle. I think following those ideas would be the best thing. Have Banshee lose his sonic powers (and his voice) while battling a sonic weapon.

In the case of Havok though, I think that his death might be one way of motivating younger brother Scott to step up as a leader. But I would still rather they follow the source material and not bump off any main characters that don't die in the comics.

I would, however, have no issue with Angel (Zoe Kravitz) and Riptide being killed off during a botched mission.

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Please Please Please don't connect back to the orignal trilogy. The little nods were enough. They have the opportunity to break away and do their own thing here. Dealing with the original cast and retconning through time travel is way too much of a cluster fu#k IMO. I'm all for this type of story as long as it stays within its own thing and doesn't connect to X1-3/Wolverine.

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That option Is way over.First Class has many connections to X-Men and X2.It was never a Batman Begins/Casino Royale.

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Please Please Please don't connect back to the orignal trilogy. The little nods were enough. They have the opportunity to break away and do their own thing here. Dealing with the original cast and retconning through time travel is way too much of a cluster fu#k IMO. I'm all for this type of story as long as it stays within its own thing and doesn't connect to X1-3/Wolverine.
Well I see this as being able to break that line and being able to use the characters people want to see without having to wait another decade. After this connecting it to X1 will only exist in the previous films. Its a good thing if true imo. Its breaking away from following the rules leading up to X1 and saving there ass for future movies.

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This is ambitious, but I have no idea how they're going to adapt the storyline. In Days of Future Past, the assassination of Senator Kelly, and the subsequent death of Xavier, leads to mutants being enslaved the world overrun by sentinels. Senator Kelly has already been killed, but with very little consequence, so what events cause the future to go awry, and will this future extend from the same timeline as the original trilogy?


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Im sure it will be far from an exact adaption. I dont expect Senator Kelly to play any role thye could essentialy just change the name. Maybe Prof X gets offed? They mentioned the JFK thing a few times. Maybe a House Of M/DOFP hybrid? Since its a Mags centric movie. Who knows. They can go about so many different ways.

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Not sure where you've gotten the idea that Ratner can't film emotion from.

You know it was actually Vaughn that was responsible for the deaths, right? They were written into the script he developed before he left the project. Ratner just shot a partialy rewritten version of Vaughn's script.
By watching the film.

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Im sure it will be far from an exact adaption. I dont expect Senator Kelly to play any role thye could essentialy just change the name. Maybe Prof X gets offed? They mentioned the JFK thing a few times. Maybe a House Of M/DOFP hybrid? Who knows. They can go about so many different ways.
True.

Also, if they do adapt this storyline, I want to see some form of the cover art of issue 141 make its way into promotional material, as well as see the iconic image of Kitty (or whoever takes her place) walking past the graves of the dead X-Men in the movie.

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True.

Also, if they do adapt this storyline, I want to see some form of the cover art of issue 141 make its way into promotional material, as well as see the iconic image of Kitty (or whoever takes her place) walking past the graves of the X-Men in the movie.
That would be awesome.

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One strong possibilty Is attempt Is made to prevent the event which caused the general Public to become aware of Mutants.Let's say Magneto starting with assassination of JFK
starts series of events that originally leads to public discovering about mutants which eventully leads to Sentinles In dark future sometime after event of X-Men/X2 or first trilogy.

This Is win-win situation from all.Some get It as contunion of X-Men series with some things remaining the same.while others get It fresh.Both sides win(although the later camp may not be 100 percent sastified)

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I could see that.
IM thinking since FC main focus is on Fassbender they might have a sort of House Of M type effect. Or play that up. I dont know my minds hurting thinking of possibilites haha. Dont think they would go the wheelchair route in DOFP with him. This can bring in so many new/existing characters. Mags kids should be easy to introduce now.
Im gonna be disappointed if this turns out to be bs.


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Magneto defently won't be In wheelchair.

This has poential to be biggest X-Men film ever.With possible appearance from actors
from earlier films.The one new character to go toe to toe with Magneto Vaughn mentioned could be someone from earlier films.We might only get Sentinles In future
sequenze.This helps explain why Fox Is giving them so much time to do this film.
Combination of actors from first Class and earlier films could create some major hype.Plus an adaptan of one of biggest X-Men storylines.

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The article does not mention First Class. Roll on X4

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I could see that.
IM thinking since FC main focus is on Fassbender they might have a sort of House Of M type effect.
This is not set in stone, though...and I really, really hope they won't forget this franchise has two protagonists.

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Magneto defently won't be In wheelchair.

This has poential to be biggest X-Men film ever.With possible appearance from actors
from earlier films.The one new character to go toe to toe with Magneto Vaughn mentioned could be someone from earlier films.We might only get Sentinles In future
sequenze.This helps explain why Fox Is giving them so much time to do this film.
Combination of actors from first Class and earlier films could create some major hype.Plus an adaptan of one of biggest X-Men storylines.
Agreed. This could be huge for the franchise. Hope its true.

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Magneto defently won't be In wheelchair.
And what does it mean? That a character in a wheelchair is worthless?

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No it doesn't...but we know the next team X-Men film will be out in July of 2014. We're not sure yet about X4.

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No.I don't think thery will have their 2 biggest characters In series In wheelcahir.For future sequenze I don't both Patrick Stewert and Ian Mckellan will be In wheelcahirs.

They are likly to get Xavier as sole character In wheelcahir since that Is way It should be.

Just Imagne a scene with james Mcavoy reading mind of character from future and knowing the dark future that will come from the memorys.It would be a very powerful scene.

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