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Old 04-30-2012, 12:08 AM   #101
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Dude Heimdall is a bit part anyway. No one cares about Heimdall. Heimdall is not Loki. Heimdall is not The Mandarin.

As for the Kingpin and Michael Clarke Duncan. Well let's see, where's that Daredevil sequel? Oh right.

Just got a new writer a couple of days ago and is in development at Fox, according to Deadline. With a Born Again storyline that features Kingpin again. No word yet on who will play Kingpin this time, or what color his skin will be.

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Old 04-30-2012, 06:02 AM   #102
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Pretty sure no Daredevil sequel had to do with the movie's ****tiness, not Kingpin's skin color being changed.

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Pretty sure no Daredevil sequel had to do with the movie's ****tiness, not Kingpin's skin color being changed.
I don't think you understand.
VileOne was asking where's the Daredevil sequel, as though it had fallen into development hell, and I was pointing out that we just got word from Deadline in just the past few days that it very much is still alive, and has a new writer. I have no idea whether or not there's any issues with casting Kingpin or not, I was just pointing out that the Deadline article mentions him and that they're still planning on using the Born Again story arc as a basis.

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Dude Heimdall is a bit part anyway. No one cares about Heimdall. Heimdall is not Loki. Heimdall is not The Mandarin.
So it's alright to be racist if it's a smaller part? Is that what you're saying?

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As for the Kingpin and Michael Clarke Duncan. Well let's see, where's that Daredevil sequel? Oh right.
Thought it would be clear that I wasn't equating the part with the film. A lot of people liked him as Kingpin. Do you think it's racist he was the Kingpin?

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Just got a new writer a couple of days ago and is in development at Fox, according to Deadline. With a Born Again storyline that features Kingpin again. No word yet on who will play Kingpin this time, or what color his skin will be.
That's not a sequel though (and thank god, eh?). That's a reboot to keep the rights to a potential franchise.

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Old 04-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #105
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I think it sucked he was the Kingpin and he failed to be a very good Kingpin.

Again no one gives a **** about Heimdall. He's the ****ing bridge guard for Asgard. Frankly it's a waste of the talent of someone like Idris Elba who is a ****ing monstrous actor. Anyone can play that role and it is beneath Elba who would be better served playing a character like T'Challa/Black Panther or the more modernized Luke Cage. **** even him as the Falcon would be loads better. The dude is magnetic.

Duncan was not that well received as Kingpin clearly. He never played that role ever again. He did play Balrog though in Street Fighter Legend of Chun-Li.

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I think it sucked he was the Kingpin and he failed to be a very good Kingpin.

Again no one gives a **** about Heimdall. He's the ****ing bridge guard for Asgard. Frankly it's a waste of the talent of someone like Idris Elba who is a ****ing monstrous actor. Anyone can play that role and it is beneath Elba who would be better served playing a character like T'Challa/Black Panther or the more modernized Luke Cage. **** even him as the Falcon would be loads better. The dude is magnetic.

Duncan was not that well received as Kingpin clearly. He never played that role ever again. He did play Balrog though in Street Fighter Legend of Chun-Li.
Um.... *walks away slowly*. Some other time Vile. lol

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Old 04-30-2012, 06:25 PM   #107
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I really hope he's playing the Mandarin!

I've been waiting to see the Mandarin since the first Iron Man movie.

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Old 04-30-2012, 09:24 PM   #108
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I agree with TheVileOne that Heimdall is a waste of Idris Elba's talents. IMO Elba is one of the best in the business right now. I don't see him as Luke Cage, but I think he would be an outstanding T'Challa. I wonder if Marvel would cast the same actor for two different roles.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I mean Marvel Studios, not Marvel in general. So Chris Evans going from Johnny Storm to Steve Rogers doesn't count.

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Old 05-02-2012, 03:23 PM   #109
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To be fair, the Chinese heritage is a pretty big part of the Mandarin's character. So I think it would be a valid complaint if they've changed the character into something other than Chinese.

Where as with somebody like Kingpin, being white isn't a major part of who the character is. So I think you can conceivably change the character's race if needed.

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Which parts of his Chinese heritage are integral to the character?

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I agree with TheVileOne that Heimdall is a waste of Idris Elba's talents.
If Elba thought it was an 'insult' to have such a small role, or it was a waste of his talent he didn't have to take the job. Plain and simple.

We may think it was a waste because he is definitely a great actor, but he obviously was fine with it.

The few lines he had were delivered in a powerful way, he looked great and he even got to **** up some frost giants. For what the part was he did great. I'm sure Marvel Studios was very happy they got such a solid actor to do what can probably be considered as a 'bit part' in the grand scheme of things.

Whatever Kingsley's true role or character is, I think it will be great. The cast for this movie, on paper, may be the best one they've put together for any of the Marvel Films.

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Agreed. And there's nothing that states he won't be in a future THOR film. For all we know he's a big Thor fan and just wanted a part in the movie.

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Again no one gives a **** about Heimdall.
I do.

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If Elba thought it was an 'insult' to have such a small role, or it was a waste of his talent he didn't have to take the job. Plain and simple.

We may think it was a waste because he is definitely a great actor, but he obviously was fine with it.

The few lines he had were delivered in a powerful way, he looked great and he even got to **** up some frost giants. For what the part was he did great. I'm sure Marvel Studios was very happy they got such a solid actor to do what can probably be considered as a 'bit part' in the grand scheme of things.
I wasn't trying to imply that the role was beneath Elba or anything like that, just that I'd rather see him in a larger role. I agree he did well as Heimdall. IIRC he took the part because he wanted to work with Kenneth Branagh, which is understandable.

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To be fair, the Chinese heritage is a pretty big part of the Mandarin's character. So I think it would be a valid complaint if they've changed the character into something other than Chinese.

Where as with somebody like Kingpin, being white isn't a major part of who the character is. So I think you can conceivably change the character's race if needed.
The character is half British, half ethnic Mongol. How is a Chinese heritage important to him?

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The character is half British, half ethnic Mongol. How is a Chinese heritage important to him?
You're a little right. But only a little.

Yes, his parents *claimed* descent from Genghis Khan, although that's never been proven and Tony Stark and others have questioned that. In any event, Mandarin's parents were a British noblewoman and a wealthy Chinese man. Mandarin grew up in China; lives in China; Mandarin's Palace is in China; he speaks Chinese as his first language; and probably prefers Chinese food over Mexican or Paki. The name "Mandarin" is Chinese. Mandarin usually dresses in traditional Chinese garb.

So yeah, Chinese heritage is a pretty big deal for him.

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After Iron-man 1 I was sure I didn't want to see Mandarin because of his supernatural nature, but now that Thor has been established as a part of the same universe, it could be done. But, I'm still not sure if they should use super natural stuff in a solo Iron-man movie

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After Iron-man 1 I was sure I didn't want to see Mandarin because of his supernatural nature, but now that Thor has been established as a part of the same universe, it could be done. But, I'm still not sure if they should use super natural stuff in a solo Iron-man movie
there are still other ways to portrait the Mandarin. His powers don't have to be supernatural. Just as Ras alGhul wasn't supernatural in BB. (Of course, they f*** that up in TDKR)
Mandarins powers could very well be technology based. Nanotechnology comes to mind.

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there are still other ways to portrait the Mandarin. His powers don't have to be supernatural. Just as Ras alGhul wasn't supernatural in BB. (Of course, they f*** that up in TDKR)
Mandarins powers could very well be technology based. Nanotechnology comes to mind.
Yeah, with the Extremis arc, I'm seriously thinkin' that nanotech is how they'll give Mandarin his true powers.

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Being called the Mandarin for starters.

Idris Elba took roles like the ones in Ghost Rider and Thor to get paid and possibly to be a part of a big franchise with Thor. Also sometimes actors take roles based on advice from their agent or management which is why we see great actors in really **** films.

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The Avengers really has me hyped for IM 3. Can't wait till filming starts. As for the Mandarin being in the flick, I don't mind either way. If he's in it, awesome, if not then it won't make a difference to me.

But if he does end up being in the film, I think this design would look pretty boss on the big screen: http://images.wikia.com/iron-man-arm...arin_super.jpg

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I don't like the idea of Kingsley as the main villain. He isn't very intimidating from a physical point of view. Short and small. I don't want all his scenes to involve fancy technology and heavy CGI. I was hoping for a more organic villain without going as far as the Hulk per say. Guy Pierce's character will probably end up stealing most of the action. Even as a guy pulling the strings in the background, Kingsley has to see some action at some point and I feel they will be too limited in that respect.

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I don't like the idea of Kingsley as the main villain. He isn't very intimidating from a physical point of view. Short and small. I don't want all his scenes to involve fancy technology and heavy CGI. I was hoping for a more organic villain without going as far as the Hulk per say. Guy Pierce's character will probably end up stealing most of the action. Even as a guy pulling the strings in the background, Kingsley has to see some action at some point and I feel they will be too limited in that respect.

But what if Kingsley *is* playing Mandarin, as the general consensus seems to speculate? Mandarin isn't a physically imposing character. It's not like he and Iron Man traded punches; they traded energy blasts.

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So they are going to make Kingsley look Chinese? Isn't that racist?

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But what if Kingsley *is* playing Mandarin, as the general consensus seems to speculate? Mandarin isn't a physically imposing character. It's not like he and Iron Man traded punches; they traded energy blasts.


Wrong. The Mandarin IS a physically imposing character, and thanks to chi-amped super-strength can smash holes in Iron Man's armor, as well as doing things like breaking his arm and kicking a dent in his helmet.

They don't trade energy-blasts so much as Mandarin uses the rings to set up hand-to-hand cheapshots. Like he'll create an illusion of himself with the mind-ring and then karate-chop Iron Man while he doesn't know what to dodge. Or freeze his boot-jets and then karate-chop Iron Man when he falls out of the sky. That sort of thing.

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