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Old 04-11-2012, 11:05 AM   #1
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Is anyone worried that all this make it real talk and all story will mean the fighting will be like the dark knight?.. where its just a bunch moving around with the camera. I wanna see badass action too. I wanna see all his power shown in this movie.

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This is a baffling thread from the title to the content because obviously the movie will have tons of CGI as we can see from all of the green screens in the photos and it's a Superman movie so it's impossible to do it with out lots of CGI and it's being directed by a director who has nothing in common with the way Nolan shoots his action scenes or films as a whole to be honest.

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I think it will be the most action we've seen in a Superman film. However, I think it will look mundane when compared to big event films like Transformers and Avengers. What matters more here is characters and story.

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I know but I've seen alot of Synder saying... This is the most realistic movie I've ever made!

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Well compare that to Owls, Watchmen, Zombies, and Sucker Punch. Of course it is. He was being wry.

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I think it will be the most action we've seen in a Superman film. However, I think it will look mundane when compared to big event films like Transformers and Avengers. What matters more here is characters and story.

Yeah I really Don't want it to look mundane... Superman Hasnt had a fight on the big screen in forever. We need a few ( Holy ***** that WAS FREAKING AWESOME) moments in fight scene.

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Well compare that to Owls, Watchmen, Zombies, and Sucker Punch. Of course it is. He was being wry.
Agreed. I think most have mistook Snyder's comments and interpreted them the opposite way. Basically, compared to his previous work, the irony being Superman of all things would be the most realistic film he would/has made. More of a statement on his previous films, than how he was going to tackle Superman.

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I hope so!

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Old 04-11-2012, 12:33 PM   #9
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Don't worry about the lack of CGI. Michael Shannon said all the green screen was driving him crazy. And like Snyder said, anything that Superman does, anything physical, is a special effect, because he's Superman. The difference between this and his previous movies (I guess, based on Snyder's comments) will be that MOS won't have a ´´stylized`` look. As in all other Snyder's movies (apart from DOTD) were stylized to compliment the fantasy worlds they took place in. MOS takes place in a ´´real`` world. So that's Snyder is referring to with his ´´real talk``. The VFX is really the one aspect of MOS I have zero concerns about. With WETA on the job and Joe Letteri as the VFX supervisor MOS is in good hands. However, I am sure MOS will have more practical effects than Snyder's previous movies and that's a good thing. If you can do something with special effects (practical) instead of visual (cgi) you should do it. If it's one thing I hate it's fake looking explosions or car crashes or whatever that use CGI and it looks fake.

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Fliming Cold Light of day... just months before MOS


Fliming MOS.

Above is what gives me great faith in Cavill.. Look at how much he put into this role. these photos aren't but a year apart!

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Well, a mesomorph body type, good genes, good base, predisposition to high intensity training (Immortals), training 2-3 hours a day with a renowned Gym, high quality nutrition and all the time in the world for adequate rest will do that for ya in a years time. Of course, make no doubt about it, the training itself is gruesome to get those results. Cavill has the most impressive physique out of all recent actors to portray super heroes, simply because he put on an impressive LEAN mass with great definition. Doesn't look like he touched creatine either, not as much as C.Hemsworth anyway, whose muscles hold a nice amount of water in them.

At least Cavill wont need CGI muscles. Even before Cavill was cast there was talk of the new Superman having CGI muscles, LOL!


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I think it will be the most action we've seen in a Superman film. However, I think it will look mundane when compared to big event films like Transformers and Avengers. What matters more here is characters and story.
eh while avengers looks good cinematiclly i dont think it will be able to touch what zack can do since whedon has a very tv type style

zack is also very specific with his shots tons of planning and detail goes into each shot and has some quite beautiful shots

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I'm pretty sure we'll get some epic action scenes

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I'm a little confused, should the thread title be "Lack of Action Scenes in MOS" or something?

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Yeah I really Don't want it to look mundane... Superman Hasnt had a fight on the big screen in forever. We need a few ( Holy ***** that WAS FREAKING AWESOME) moments in fight scene.
I'm sure there will be, it just can't top eleventeen heroes fighting on screen together. It is what it is.

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Agreed. I think most have mistook Snyder's comments and interpreted them the opposite way. Basically, compared to his previous work, the irony being Superman of all things would be the most realistic film he would/has made. More of a statement on his previous films, than how he was going to tackle Superman.
Right. People see these quotes and run hog wild with them creating mass hysteria.

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eh while avengers looks good cinematiclly i dont think it will be able to touch what zack can do since whedon has a very tv type style

zack is also very specific with his shots tons of planning and detail goes into each shot and has some quite beautiful shots
Its not about the shots and how good looking they are. It is about a bunch of heroes fighting together on screen for the first time ever. I think anything that comes after that (Dark Knight Rises) aside, doesn't pack as much punch. I'm not saying Superman is going to be bad, I'm not saying I won't like it, I'm not saying there won't be action. I just think Spider-Man and Superman might suffer a bit because of the ridiculousness that is Avengers.

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why does everybody think that Superman throwing a punch in a movie will make it better? Is that why Superman REturns failed........... no......... that isn't why. Because the movie had a very weak story

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I hope they go easy on the CGI.


I'm not the biggest fan of Snyder's Greenscreen action and SLOOOOW-MOOO. I actually prefer Nolan's fight scenes.


Also, Warner Bros has a bad track record with CGI in films like these. The CGI in Superman Returns AND Green Lantern was HORRIBLE! Especially when they tried to CGI humans.

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This is a baffling thread from the title to the content because obviously the movie will have tons of CGI as we can see from all of the green screens in the photos and it's a Superman movie so it's impossible to do it with out lots of CGI and it's being directed by a director who has nothing in common with the way Nolan shoots his action scenes or films as a whole to be honest.
They've already made four Superman movies without lots of CGI.

Okay, here's the thing: I don't like CGI all that much.

CGI is useful for getting shots and effects that would be literally impossible any other way. But if there is an already existing practical effect to achieve something then it usually looks a lot better than CGI.

Now that's not always the case, sometimes there are older practical effects that the CGI equivalent improves on, and sometimes there are CGI artists who are so unbelievably good at what they do that they can work miracles, but for the most part practical effects just look better because they're things that actually physically exist. Most of the time, CGI stuff does't look real. It flows too smoothly, it's too shiny, it's too rubbery, it just doesn't look like a real thing.

Look at Star Wars. The original trilogy looks better, across the board.

So all in all I hope there's a lack of CGI.

There won't be, because Zak Snyder's directing, but I hope he goes much easier on it than he usually does.

I also don't care much about action scenes. I don't feel like there's a specific need to have, as the thread starter said " a few ( Holy ***** that WAS FREAKING AWESOME) moments," at least not for their own sake.

Action scenes should exist for specific reasons in the story, not just for the sake of having action scenes. Again, let us look at Star Wars. The smaller, less elaborate lightsaber duels in the original trilogy are much more exciting and engaging than the acerbating, heavily choreographed duels in the prequels because the ones in the original trilogy actually tie into and emphasize the emotional journey of the characters.

I don't really care if Superman never throws a single punch as long as the things he does and the actions he takes tie into the emotional journey of the characters and the themes of the story.

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I'm not worried, BUT, i'll sure feel better once we see a teaser.

And yes, I want lots and lots of action AND a good story. We can have both you know.
The last didn't have a whole lot of action ( that wasn't the only problem, just one of many ) and we now see where that lead.

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They've already made four Superman movies without lots of CGI.

Okay, here's the thing: I don't like CGI all that much.

CGI is useful for getting shots and effects that would be literally impossible any other way. But if there is an already existing practical effect to achieve something then it usually looks a lot better than CGI.

Now that's not always the case, sometimes there are older practical effects that the CGI equivalent improves on, and sometimes there are CGI artists who are so unbelievably good at what they do that they can work miracles, but for the most part practical effects just look better because they're things that actually physically exist. Most of the time, CGI stuff does't look real. It flows too smoothly, it's too shiny, it's too rubbery, it just doesn't look like a real thing.

Look at Star Wars. The original trilogy looks better, across the board.

So all in all I hope there's a lack of CGI.

There won't be, because Zak Snyder's directing, but I hope he goes much easier on it than he usually does.

I also don't care much about action scenes. I don't feel like there's a specific need to have, as the thread starter said " a few ( Holy ***** that WAS FREAKING AWESOME) moments," at least not for their own sake.

Action scenes should exist for specific reasons in the story, not just for the sake of having action scenes. Again, let us look at Star Wars. The smaller, less elaborate lightsaber duels in the original trilogy are much more exciting and engaging than the acerbating, heavily choreographed duels in the prequels because the ones in the original trilogy actually tie into and emphasize the emotional journey of the characters.

I don't really care if Superman never throws a single punch as long as the things he does and the actions he takes tie into the emotional journey of the characters and the themes of the story.

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For the record, The Dark Knight had a lot of CGI but it was mainly scenery. That's because Batman doesn't have superpowers.

With Weta and Zack Snyder, I think the action will be more dramatic and intense than Transformers or Avengers.

3+ Kryptonians in Snyder's hands will look phenomenal on screen. It's like 3 hulks with Iron Man's armor.

Besides, the best action isn't always the loudest or the most amount. Zack made awesome, memorable sequences with a few guys in underwear wearing capes and holding spears, action is the least thing to worry about in this movie.

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They've already made four Superman movies without lots of CGI.

Okay, here's the thing: I don't like CGI all that much.

CGI is useful for getting shots and effects that would be literally impossible any other way. But if there is an already existing practical effect to achieve something then it usually looks a lot better than CGI.

Now that's not always the case, sometimes there are older practical effects that the CGI equivalent improves on, and sometimes there are CGI artists who are so unbelievably good at what they do that they can work miracles, but for the most part practical effects just look better because they're things that actually physically exist. Most of the time, CGI stuff does't look real. It flows too smoothly, it's too shiny, it's too rubbery, it just doesn't look like a real thing.

Look at Star Wars. The original trilogy looks better, across the board.

So all in all I hope there's a lack of CGI.

There won't be, because Zak Snyder's directing, but I hope he goes much easier on it than he usually does.

I also don't care much about action scenes. I don't feel like there's a specific need to have, as the thread starter said " a few ( Holy ***** that WAS FREAKING AWESOME) moments," at least not for their own sake.

Action scenes should exist for specific reasons in the story, not just for the sake of having action scenes. Again, let us look at Star Wars. The smaller, less elaborate lightsaber duels in the original trilogy are much more exciting and engaging than the acerbating, heavily choreographed duels in the prequels because the ones in the original trilogy actually tie into and emphasize the emotional journey of the characters.

I don't really care if Superman never throws a single punch as long as the things he does and the actions he takes tie into the emotional journey of the characters and the themes of the story.
The audience cares about action scenes in a Superhero movie. There were action scenes in SR and they will be in this film as well but unlike SR their will also be punches thrown.

Nobody cares if you don't like CGI, it's here to stay and when used right it's great. Citing Superman movies from the 70's and 80's doesn't change the fact that in modern times there is no way in hell a 200 million dollar film won't be using lots of CGI and they would be stupid not too because it will aid in the effects being better than the original.

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