The "Hoodie" Incident: Controversial? Racist? - Part 2

[bullets]

Originally Posted by roach

experts are called in to give their expert opinion

Well people right now are just going off what they've been given no one right now claims to know exactly what happened. Its pure speculation but will evolve as more details surface. Assuming we find out the truth.

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by VictorCreed

In other words, you're saying, "I got nothin', so I'll just ignore the points I can't contend with."

Hilarious.

No I still managed to reply to about everything he said in that very post. It's tiring to respond to something then have the same thing told to you again. Should I just copy all my responses somewhere and paste the same ones in where they apply?

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

It doesn't matter where Zimmerman's flashlight was found, because that's not where the incident happened. And if Martin attacked and then mounted Zimmerman, as you claim, then the incident would have happened where the flashlight was dropped. An incident where someone sucker punches another person, that person falls, and then the first person mounts him and starts bashing his head into the pavement doesn't move 50 feet down the pathway.

Not true. Zimmerman was never cold cocked throughout the incident so it's more then reasonable that a struggle ensued or they wrestled over to that area where Martin eventually mounted him. Again you jumping to conclusions that aren't really there to make a point that also isn't really there.

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

But it didn't happen that way now, did it? Because the incident did happen 50 feet down the pathway. So Zimmerman wasn't sucker punched at the path intersection, mounted, and his head beaten into the pavement, was it?

No he was, a struggle ensued, they ended up where the incident eventually ended where Martin mounted Zimmerman and started beating his head into something concrete whether it's the utility cover or the pathway.

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

Also, an attempt to detain wouldn't cause injuries. An attempt to detain would be Zimmerman putting his hands on Martin, but it wouldn't cause an injury. In response, Martin very well could have punched Zimmerman, and at that point, it would be legal because Zimmerman would have pursued, approached, and made physical contact with Martin, becoming a legitimate threat.

Except there's still nothing to support Zimmerman ever tried to detain Martin this is all just a theory in your head while there's evidence to support everything in the series of events I have outlined.

[VictorCreed]

Originally Posted by Scrandy Randy

No I still managed to reply to about everything he said in that very post. It's tiring to respond to something then have the same thing told to you again. Should I just copy all my responses somewhere and paste the same ones in where they apply?

So now you're admitting to doing the same thing you're accusing him of doing. Brilliant!

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by VictorCreed

So now you're admitting to doing the same thing you're accusing him of doing. Brilliant!

No, not at all really. Every time hes had a new point of contention I've addressed it. If he's going to say the same thing im not going to come up with a new response each time. It's tiresome.

[roach]

Zimmerman's bond was revoked...he's going back to jail

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/01/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

[bullets]

I can't wait for the spin on this one.

[Scrandy Randy]

Idiotic move, if it's correct. Of course no ones mentioning that Zimmerman's lawyer/defense hasn't had a chance to address this yet and O'Mara has already said he wants an opportunity to speak to the judge and explain this. I presume he'll get that opportunity so I'll wait till then before giving my definitive opinion.

Hopefully this doesn't leak into the actual case. I think this act speaks to the strength of the prosecutions case.
They're taking every opportunity to attack Zimmerman's character and make his life a living hell. Of course the prosecution wants him back in jail. If they make his life hell for as long as possible it ups their chances of getting a plea. It's no different then when investigators question suspects for days on end an having them cave and give a false confession just so it's over.

[Mistah K88]

A Florida judge on Friday ordered George Zimmerman, the man charged in the killing unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, to return to jail within 48 hours, saying he deceived the court earlier this year about the true state of his finances.

Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. gave the order after prosecutors provided evidence showing Zimmerman and his wife had essentially hidden about $135,000 from the court during his bond hearing in April. At the time, Zimmerman’s family claimed they had little money to pay a bond so the judge granted one that was much lower than what prosecutors asked for.

“They were well aware of the money that was available,” Lester said.

Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder in the Feb. 26 killing, which took place in the Orlando suburb of Sanford, Fla. He has claimed he was acting in self defense when he shot and killed Martin.

In early April before he was charged, Zimmerman set up a website asking the public to help pay for his defense and living expenses, saying he was unable to work because of the huge amount of scrutiny the case received.

At the bond hearing later that month after prosecutors filed charges, Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie Zimmerman, testified that she knew nothing about how much money her husband had raised with the website. “Currently, I don’t know,” she said.

But days later, Zimmerman’s attorney revealed his client had raised more than $200,000 with the website. The disclosure raised questions about who knew what when.

On Friday, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said Zimmerman and his wife had talked about the money in jailhouse phone calls in the days before the bond hearing. He said the couple used code words to try to hide the money from authorities investigating the case.

“We have the jail calls that the defendant made to his wife and to other people…in which he repeatedly tells her about the money, about moving the money and transferring it from one position to another,” de la Rionda said. “They were even using codes…thinking that the police are going to be really stupid when listening to these calls and wouldn’t know what was going on.”

I'm curious to know how the people who were stating that Martin's parents were trying to "cash in" on their child's death have to say about this. I can assume that excuses like "He had to lie; for if he went to prison he would have been murdered" or something to make a sleazy action justifiable. I would ask how is the lawyer not stopping this idiot from making dumb decisions like this, but the thing is, a lawyer could only stop things they know about.

[KalMart]

Bad decision, without a doubt, if not done for a rational/protective reason. Doesn't make him a murderer, but he obviously tried to hide his true holdings and got caught doing it. Wasn't this money raised through the website known for a while, though?

[terry78]

Yeah, Zimmerman done ****ed up now.

[chaseter]

People still care about this?

[Scar Predator]

Originally Posted by chaseter

People still care about this?

Why wouldn't we? A young man lost his life; another man's fate hangs in the balance. This case will have ripple effects on cases involving Neighborhood Watches and self-defense cases in the future.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by bullets

I can't wait for the spin on this one.

Originally Posted by Scrandy Randy

Idiotic move, if it's correct. Of course no ones mentioning that Zimmerman's lawyer/defense hasn't had a chance to address this yet and O'Mara has already said he wants an opportunity to speak to the judge and explain this. I presume he'll get that opportunity so I'll wait till then before giving my definitive opinion.

Hopefully this doesn't leak into the actual case. I think this act speaks to the strength of the prosecutions case.
They're taking every opportunity to attack Zimmerman's character and make his life a living hell. Of course the prosecution wants him back in jail. If they make his life hell for as long as possible it ups their chances of getting a plea. It's no different then when investigators question suspects for days on end an having them cave and give a false confession just so it's over.

That didn't take long.

[KalMart]

Goes to show that even if you do have a good case, you need to watch what you do leading up to the trial and not do anything to upset the court. You could be charged with being from Mars....but if you embarrass the court in any way, they'll make you pay for it somehow.

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

That didn't take long.

(Chuckle)

I left this thread as soon as folk got irrational. But I had to come back to see the spin on Mr. Z getting caught being less than sterling,... again.

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

That didn't take long.

There's absolutely no spin on that at all and if you think there is feel free to actually respond to the posts instead of making an empty statement.

Are you saying the defense shouldn't get an opportunity to respond to the prosecution? Are you saying its fair that his bond was revoked during a hearing about the discovery without him present when bond wasn't even supposed to be discussed?

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by Varient

(Chuckle)

I left this thread as soon as folk got irrational. But I had to come back to see the spin on Mr. Z getting caught being less than sterling,... again.

When was the first time?

[bullets]

His myspace page?

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Scar Predator

Why wouldn't we? A young man lost his life; another man's fate hangs in the balance. This case will have ripple effects on cases involving Neighborhood Watches and self-defense cases in the future.

No it won't. In a year, nobody will give a crap. The only way it will have any sort of ripple effect is if it reaches the Supreme Court. People in here are playing Nancy Grace and it's quite pathetic. The court will decide what happens with Zimmerman and whether it was his fault or not...then that's the end of it.

[Scar Predator]

Originally Posted by chaseter

No it won't. In a year, nobody will give a crap. The only way it will have any sort of ripple effect is if it reaches the Supreme Court. People in here are playing Nancy Grace and it's quite pathetic. The court will decide what happens with Zimmerman and whether it was his fault or not...then that's the end of it.

People still have raw emotions about the OJ case, and that was 18 years ago. Cases like this fade, but they never truly go away. I wouldn't be surprised if there are TV/web specials on this case that our grandkids will watch.

Besides, this is a forum where users will post for hundreds of pages on whether a character's movie persona captures the essense of the character's comic book counterpart. Yet you don't understand interest in an incident that led to a teenager's death?

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Okay.

I'm still as scared to post in this thread as I was 3 months ago.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Scar Predator

People still have raw emotions about the OJ case, and that was 18 years ago. Cases like this fade, but they never truly go away. I wouldn't be surprised if there are TV/web specials on this case that our grandkids will watch.

Besides, this is a forum where users will post for hundreds of pages on whether a character's movie persona captures the essense of the character's comic book counterpart. Yet you don't understand interest in an incident that led to a teenager's death?

So true on both accounts, but even more so on the second point.

So it's okay to complain in threads about how Cyclops shouldn't have died, or X-Men: First Class shouldn't follow continuity of X3 or Wolverine, but heaven forbid we have a conversation about current events and real world situations.

[roach]

Originally Posted by chaseter

No it won't. In a year, nobody will give a crap. The only way it will have any sort of ripple effect is if it reaches the Supreme Court. People in here are playing Nancy Grace and it's quite pathetic. The court will decide what happens with Zimmerman and whether it was his fault or not...then that's the end of it.

i agree...until this news came out no one was in this thread discussing it

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Scar Predator

People still have raw emotions about the OJ case, and that was 18 years ago. Cases like this fade, but they never truly go away. I wouldn't be surprised if there are TV/web specials on this case that our grandkids will watch.

Besides, this is a forum where users will post for hundreds of pages on whether a character's movie persona captures the essense of the character's comic book counterpart. Yet you don't understand interest in an incident that led to a teenager's death?

People certainly won't forget about this or avoid thinking about it when brought up in future conversations or articles...especially if they had strong feelings about it when the news broke....nor should they, really. But what I do think is beneficial to the case...regardless of the verdict...is that what has died down considerably is the media circus surrounding it, the spread of misinterpretation and the overexposure. It's better for the trial itself to be as impartial as possible and not as influenced by the current media climate...even though there will obviously be coverage on it. All the better for the trial to determine their best assessment of the truth, and not how a mob mentality will react....especially when it comes to the jurors. The more time away from the actual incident, the more that the anger expressed and exacerbated surrounding it is balanced by actual information both for and against Zimmerman, setting a better atmosphere for a trial to be as lawful and succinct as possible.