The "Hoodie" Incident: Controversial? Racist? - Part 2

[Spider-Who?]

That and prosecution is going to be hard on anyone they can in hopes to make it tough for the defense.

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

Zimmerman's wife arrested for perjury.

Still No surprise.

Well wait,.. I remain mildly surprised at the continued apparent opinion of the Zimmerman's that they are smarter than the people they deal with.

[Scrandy Randy]

The Judge in the case today decided that Zimmerman's police interviews and statements don't count as confessions and has ordered them as well as all the other evidence that hasn't been released except photos of Martin's body to be released within 15 days.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/...afety-a/nPS66/

Also, it seems O'Mara was informed of Zimmerman's wife being arrested after she had posted bond while Martin's lawyer Crump and ABC were given the news first. Corey and the prosecution at it again.

[Scrandy Randy]

More information released at www.gzlegalcase.com

More information that supports his self defense claim. No glaring contradictions that the prosecution claimed were present.

It's funny how the tune changes now. Before all of this was released everyone was holding onto the fact that this new information would reveal some huge inconsistency in his story and now that it hasn't it has gone from-

"Inconsistencies in one's statement to the police prove you're guilty."

to

"A lack of inconsistencies in one's statement to the police prove you're guilty."

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sanford Police Chief fired.

[roach]

that was weird
Chief:"Im stepping down."
Council:"No we need you in these troubled times."
Chief:"Ok I'll stick around."
Council:"Nah your fired...we just wanted to fire you."

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/21/zimmerma/

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/21/zimmerma/

[Darthphere]

From the same article:

Martin, he said, put his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth and nose and told him, “You’re going to die tonight.”

“When I slid, my jacket and my shirt came up. … I felt his hand go down my side, and I thought he was going for my firearm, so I grabbed it immediately, and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him.”

When he did, he said, Martin, who had been on top of him, fell away and said, “All right. You got it. You got it.” In another interview, he noted Martin might have said, “You got me.”

Was Trayvon Martin a bad 80's action movie villain?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm most interested in this:

4.) Homicide investigator Chris Serino told Zimmerman that his wounds were inconsistent with the beating he supposedly received. He also called Martin’s nonexistent record into attention, as well as the possessions found on his body: a can of ice tea, skittles, and forty dollars. Serino also informed Zimmerman of an anonymous phone call that told a very different story – that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin.
5.) Serino also expresses his doubts that the head of the neighborhood watch and a resident of three years could not tell which street he was on. To this, Zimmerman destroys his own credibility by stating that, “I have a bad memory anyway.”

Particularly the part where Zimmerman tried to detain Martin - which is exactly what I've been advocating happened.

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

I'm most interested in this:




Particularly the part where Zimmerman tried to detain Martin - which is exactly what I've been advocating happened.

There's no phone call where someone says Zimmerman tried to detain Martin. If there was it would have been released with all the other evidence that has been released. Can't believe people actually thinks this tape exists when it hasn't been released yet considering how much it would benefit the prosecution. It hasn't been released because it doesn't exist. Serino is just trying to get Zimmerman to slip up by throwing him curve balls, he does it a couple times during the reenactment video. Zimmerman never deviates from his story though.

I found a couple things from that article lacking accuracy though-

1.) Zimmerman says that he wasn’t sure what street he was on when asked by the dispatcher. He said Martin was circling his vehicle when he got out of his car to check. This directly goes against what his supporters have been saying – that Trayvon pulled him out of the car.

When has anyone said Martin pulled Zimmerman from his car?

3.) Zimmerman claims that he screamed for help 50 or so times but audio analysts have proven that the voice in the background of the 911 calls could not have belonged to him.

No audio analysis has proven it wasn't Zimmerman. Those people that came out earlier in the case saying it wasn't Zimmerman and probably Martin have been proven to be unreliable and not accurate and when the FBI did their own testing(actual approved audio testing not two unaccredited hacks trying to sell software) they couldn't come to any conclusion.

....This is all horse****, plain and simple. Zimmerman’s story makes Martin seem like a conniving thug when in reality he was a fine young man. Remember all of those badass pictures that Conservatives dug up on the internet of Trayvon? Those weren’t him. It was just a sad attempt to reinforce their own narrative......

This is also not true. Some of the pictures weren't Martin but most of the ones that have been used were actually Martin. I already touched on this way earlier in the thread.

[KalMart]

Addictinginfo.com isn't exactly all about news.

[bullets]

Originally Posted by Darthphere

From the same article:

Martin, he said, put his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth and nose and told him, “You’re going to die tonight.”

“When I slid, my jacket and my shirt came up. … I felt his hand go down my side, and I thought he was going for my firearm, so I grabbed it immediately, and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him.”

When he did, he said, Martin, who had been on top of him, fell away and said, “All right. You got it. You got it.” In another interview, he noted Martin might have said, “You got me.”

Was Trayvon Martin a bad 80's action movie villain?

I don't know what to make of this. Martin would have to be really hyped up on himself.

Originally Posted by Scrandy Randy

When has anyone said Martin pulled Zimmerman from his car?

That's my first time hearing that. Obviously the writer is biased and probably misinformed.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by KalMart

Addictinginfo.com isn't exactly all about news.

No, it's not, I really just posted it because it's the information about Zimmerman's interview after the incident.

[KalMart]

That's the point, it's not known for accurate, objective info, either.

[Varient]

Originally Posted by Darthphere

From the same article:

Martin, he said, put his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth and nose and told him, “You’re going to die tonight.”

“When I slid, my jacket and my shirt came up. … I felt his hand go down my side, and I thought he was going for my firearm, so I grabbed it immediately, and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him.”

When he did, he said, Martin, who had been on top of him, fell away and said, “All right. You got it. You got it.” In another interview, he noted Martin might have said, “You got me.”

Was Trayvon Martin a bad 80's action movie villain?

No.
But since The "only" person who heard his last words believed that the kid was something he was not, that's how he "needs" to dipict him.
(sadness.)

[bell110]

Originally Posted by Darthphere

From the same article:

Martin, he said, put his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth and nose and told him, “You’re going to die tonight.”

I like how Zimmerman says Martin happend to utter words that would make use of deadly force justifiable. Sure, Zimmy, that's exactly what Martin said.

[Scar Predator]

Article: Police say Zimmerman had chances to defuse situation before shooting Martin

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...lynightly&lite

The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern.

That pretty much says it all. The police know Zimmerman is at fault.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Scar Predator

Article: Police say Zimmerman had chances to defuse situation before shooting Martin

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...lynightly&lite



That pretty much says it all. The police know Zimmerman is at fault.

Oh I totally think Zimmerman could have just not pursued/followed Martin...especially after talking with the dispatch. Somehow he felt compelled not to let Martin out of his sight. I don't think he was particularly looking to hunt/shoot some black kid, but considering the crimes that had gone down before in the area, Zimmerman was likely making an effort not to lose sight of him. By the time they were close enough to communicate, it probably wasn't the friendliest of exchanges altogether.

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by bell110

I like how Zimmerman says Martin happend to utter words that would make use of deadly force justifiable. Sure, Zimmy, that's exactly what Martin said.

He wouldn't have needed to say anything to make deadly force justifiable.

[Scrandy Randy]

Originally Posted by Scar Predator

Article: Police say Zimmerman had chances to defuse situation before shooting Martin

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...lynightly&lite



That pretty much says it all. The police know Zimmerman is at fault.

Poor judgement doesn't get you convicted of a crime. Committing a crime gets you convicted of a crime. Zimmerman never committed any crime.

[Scrandy Randy]

Zimmerman's interview with Detective Serino on Feb. 29, where, after telling Zimmerman that he "passed a lie detector test", Serino tells him that there's a possibility Trayvon captured what happened with his cell phone camera. Zimmerman's response:

"I prayed to God that someone would be [videotaping this] or the neighborhood had put up a video camera that I didn’t know about or something."

Serino tries to get him to admit to something again by telling him he has evidence he really doesn't and Zimmerman sticks to his story even going as far as to say he hopes someone does have a video of what happened.

[KalMart]

I still think they should have gone for aggravated manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder, as the former has a better chance of sticking.

[Darthphere]

Originally Posted by Scrandy Randy

Poor judgement doesn't get you convicted of a crime. Committing a crime gets you convicted of a crime. Zimmerman never committed any crime.

This is a dumb statement. When people commit a crime, it's because they're using poor judgment. One can't exist without the other.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Darthphere

This is a dumb statement. When people commit a crime, it's because they're using poor judgment. One can't exist without the other.

Exactly.

The crime committed was shooting Trayvon Martin, which wasn't "self defense" because the entire thing was instigated by Zimmerman pursuing and confronting Martin, all of which was done while armed.