Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 1

[Captain Marvel]

Eh, I don't care for that picture up there all that much. I liked this one better.

[Spider-Nerd]

Logan's one of my favorite characters...but I really enjoy him getting his ass kicked and bringing him back to earth. He's seriously the marvel equivilant of the goddamnbatman.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I love Cap.....But I can't see him beating Logan. The healing factor, the "crazyman" thing......Adamantium bones???

Cap's got a shield.....if he throws it, he's got no shield.

Cap is faster, stronger and has a shield that is stronger than adamantium

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by kguillou

Oh, I think Cap's got this.

Cap looks pretty crazy there, or is it as a result of JRJR's drawing?

I really don't see how this hit will really keep Wolverine down for long, considering the kind of injuries he has substained over the years. It's Cap's fault for bringing a life-long X-Men member to his team imo.

[Harlekin]

I just read New Avengers #24. I can't believe they actually have Cap America asking people if they have any experience with the Phoenix and somehow neither Storm or Captain Britain manages to say anything (constructive). At least Storm storms off, but Cap should be saying something (and siding with the X-Men for that matter).

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by Harlekin

I just read New Avengers #24. I can't believe they actually have Cap America asking people if they have any experience with the Phoenix and somehow neither Storm or Captain Britain manages to say anything (constructive). At least Storm storms off, but Cap should be saying something (and siding with the X-Men for that matter).

I thought it was telling was like what is it? They clearly have no idea what they are dealing with.I didnt even notice Cap Britain in the scene but you are right. He served as teammate with Rachel for years and witness the good she did with it

[Harlekin]

I immediately scanned the characters there because of Captain America's question. It's patently ridiculous and actually offensive - if I may use that word - to a lot of the characters there. Captain Britain makes no comment and Storm, outspoken former leader of the X-Men, friend of Jean Grey and witness to the good and bad of the Phoenix, just walks away? There's no way Bendis actually takes this woman seriously. "Goddess" is all she says? Really? And I don't even like Storm.

Don't even get me started on Wolverine.

And really, NO ONE should be taking orders from the Red Hulk.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by roach

Cap is faster, stronger and has a shield that is stronger than adamantium

Oh come on....Logan is plenty fast and he's fought fast guys before. Cap throws shield .....Logan keeps sheild or dflects it away from Cap. It's over......Logan's weapons are always with him. In a hand to hand, it's over. Cap gets run through. And if he hits Logan, he's hitting metal.....OWWW!!!

I just don't know how Cap gets this guy.....

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Harlekin

I immediately scanned the characters there because of Captain America's question. It's patently ridiculous and actually offensive - if I may use that word - to a lot of the characters there. Captain Britain makes no comment and Storm, outspoken former leader of the X-Men, friend of Jean Grey and witness to the good and bad of the Phoenix, just walks away? There's no way Bendis actually takes this woman seriously. "Goddess" is all she says? Really? And I don't even like Storm.

Don't even get me started on Wolverine.

And really, NO ONE should be taking orders from the Red Hulk.

Didn't Red Hulk knock out a Watcher??

http://www.comicbooked.com/wp-conten.../06/RULK11.jpg

[Mad Ones]

Wolverine's healing factor is so inconsistent that it really depends on what level the writer wants it to be at. If this is 'regenerate seconds after having all flesh burned off Wolverine' than I'm sure he can take Cap.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Oh come on....Logan is plenty fast and he's fought fast guys before. Cap throws shield .....Logan keeps sheild or dflects it away from Cap. It's over......Logan's weapons are always with him. In a hand to hand, it's over. Cap gets run through. And if he hits Logan, he's hitting metal.....OWWW!!!

I just don't know how Cap gets this guy.....

oh you are one of those...never mind I thought we were gonna have an logical discussion

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by roach

oh you are one of those...never mind I thought we were gonna have an logical discussion

Oh....you're one of "those".....no answer.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Harlekin

I immediately scanned the characters there because of Captain America's question. It's patently ridiculous and actually offensive - if I may use that word - to a lot of the characters there. Captain Britain makes no comment and Storm, outspoken former leader of the X-Men, friend of Jean Grey and witness to the good and bad of the Phoenix, just walks away? There's no way Bendis actually takes this woman seriously. "Goddess" is all she says? Really? And I don't even like Storm.

Don't even get me started on Wolverine.

And really, NO ONE should be taking orders from the Red Hulk.

where are the Avengers getting their information that Phoenix is a destructive force?

[Franklin Richards]

There's always a way around his healing factor.




He's gotta breathe. He's gotta see, for the most part. Mystique also stopped him by slitting his throat.

Ya just gotta be smart.

[Doomed_hero]

Eh Wolverine pulling claws on Pete makes me wanna throw up. The Giant size X-men team is always the team in all of comics I have loved above all others yet they all hardly ever talk anymore. Now Nightcrawler is dead, Storm just seems along for the ride, Colossus is Juggernaut and Wolverine is popping claws on his f-ing best friend. Horrible.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Doomed_hero

Eh Wolverine pulling claws on Pete makes me wanna throw up. The Giant size X-men team is always the team in all of comics I have loved above all others yet they all hardly ever talk anymore. Now Nightcrawler is dead, Storm just seems along for the ride, Colossus is Juggernaut and Wolverine is popping claws on his f-ing best friend. Horrible.

this is the state of Marvel comics....sad

[Mad Ones]

We don't know the whole story yet. We know that Wolverine becomes conflicted between the two sides, so they may flush out the difficult position he is in. I doubt he's fighting Piotr without putting any thought about it.

[Franklin Richards]

Wolverine wanted to kill Peter after Battleworld. He fell in love with Johnny's alien girlfriend, Zsaji in a week. Totally blowing off Kitty Pryde back on Earth in no time.

Logan would pop his claws at Pete. Especially these days when the X-Men look more like the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by roach

where are the Avengers getting their information that Phoenix is a destructive force?

Wolverine . Where they originally get that, is not revealed but they go to him for more info and he confirms it

[roach]

Originally Posted by Havok83

Wolverine

ahhh thanks Logan

the reason I ask is no one outside of the X-men know of its destructive nature...all they should know of Phoenix is what they were told and what they saw which is the heroic natures of Jean and Rachel

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

There's always a way around his healing factor.




He's gotta breathe. He's gotta see, for the most part. Mystique also stopped him by slitting his throat.

Ya just gotta be smart.

Well....when Cap can project force fields, call me.

Oh....and did you see the number that Osborn's mechnical spiders did on Logan (in New Avengers)while siphoning off his blood?? Sliced him up 6 ways to Sunday....And he still healed up just fine. Look...I'm not a Wolverine apologist. But unless he's fighting Galactus , Sue Richards, The Sentinel that fried his flesh off in Byrne's "Future Past", one of the Torches or some cosmic being.....he should beat Cap. Geez.....Cap' s a bad dude, but he takes a knife and a bullet..... bleeds out pretty good. No healing factor.....Now I hope he wins in some way that's not too insulting to the intelligence of the readers.

[Anubis]

God you're annoying.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by roach

where are the Avengers getting their information that Phoenix is a destructive force?

Originally Posted by Havok83

Wolverine . Where they originally get that, is not revealed but they go to him for more info and he confirms it

The Beast actually.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Anubis

God you're annoying.

Just agree with him..."Wolverins is the awesomzzz".

unless of course you have a Mutant Dealing Factor

[roach]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

The Beast actually.

you sir have used continuity to silence me...I bow before you
(though they haven't tried to kill Phoenix the last couple of times it showed up)