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Old 02-04-2013, 10:50 PM   #226
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LR isn't saying "we'll see." They are saying, "this IS what's going to happen in Phase III." So then, IF they turn out to be right, that would make what they just reported an actual scoop, VS. the MTV story which is basically a random interview in which nothing is actually said and at most, something vague is hinted at by Kevin Feige for some unknown point in the future.
Semantics.

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If they are to do it this would be the best way: His exile is either a willing sacrifice at the end of Avengers 2, or forced on him by Thanos in some way (still making his plans behind the scenes rather than his big move). The last film before Avengers 3 is Planet Hulk which would likely be written to involve Banner far more (I can think of ways they could do that).

PH ends on the cliffhanger of Sakaar being devastated (perhaps by Thanos) with the hulk assumed dead by the perpetrator (end credits scene revealing he survived), then in Avengers 3 we get Thanos making his move on Earth and when the chips are down the Hulk returns with his army from Sakaar.

I'd still be a WWH in a way, just without the Hulk and his Warbound alien pals being the baddies this time.

All that being said I'm taking all of this scoop with a large pinch of salt atm.
I agree with all this.
Essentially, the Planet Hulk story can work as a Hulk 2 movie just fine *as long as* the perps aren't heroes. Make a villain(s) responsible for Hulk's exile, and it works fine. Make Tony and/or any other of Banner's new "buddies" stab him in the back, and you've just made *both* (all) the heroes look like villains.....Tony for being a coward and a backstabber, and Hulk for coming back and taking out his vengeance on this planet.

World War Hulk, though? Never work. In any way, shape or form. Hulk is a hero, not a villain.

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Semantics.

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I'm not debating the validity of the info. I don't care if it's correct at this point. I'm debating the definition of a scoop. Article A says, "something vague COULD happen at some unspecified time." Article B says, "This is what is going to happen and when." If article B speaks the truth, then that's the scoop, while Article A is just Kevin Feige teasing possibilities in an interview. That's not semantics.

Obviously, if it's not true, it's not a scoop. LR's track record is about 50/50 when it comes to their scoops, so I agree it could go either way. But IF this does happen, then LR is who got the scoop, not MTV. Not by a long shot.

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HULK movies don't really do that good so I doubt they would do a super expensive almost all CGI Planet Hulk movie.

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:45 PM   #230
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"I still believe that even though The Empire Strikes Back is better in innumerable ways than Star Wars, Star Wars wins, because you can't end a movie with Han frozen in carbonite. That's not a movie, it's an episode."

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I just can't picture a scenario where Avengers 2 ends with Hulk shipped off into space, or where they stick something so major post-credits.

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"I still believe that even though The Empire Strikes Back is better in innumerable ways than Star Wars, Star Wars wins, because you can't end a movie with Han frozen in carbonite. That's not a movie, it's an episode."

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I just can't picture a scenario where Avengers 2 ends with Hulk shipped off into space, or where they stick something so major post-credits.
Empire Strikes Back is an episode. It's Episode 5.

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"I still believe that even though The Empire Strikes Back is better in innumerable ways than Star Wars, Star Wars wins, because you can't end a movie with Han frozen in carbonite. That's not a movie, it's an episode."

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I just can't picture a scenario where Avengers 2 ends with Hulk shipped off into space, or where they stick something so major post-credits.
Agreed. That seems to go against Whedon's credo.

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It's not solely Whedon's decision. But whatever.

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It's not solely Whedon's decision. But whatever.
A good point as well. Could end up being another "Coulson's death" scenario in which Marvel gets the final call.

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"I still believe that even though The Empire Strikes Back is better in innumerable ways than Star Wars, Star Wars wins, because you can't end a movie with Han frozen in carbonite. That's not a movie, it's an episode."

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I just can't picture a scenario where Avengers 2 ends with Hulk shipped off into space, or where they stick something so major post-credits.
It's not really the same thing though. Blasting Hulk into space is a more definitive ending than having a guy frozen...but eh. I's also possible Whedon could have changed his mind now that he has the Avengers franchise all to himself to play around with.

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It's not really the same thing though. Blasting Hulk into space is a more definitive ending than having a guy frozen...but eh. I's also possible Whedon could have changed his mind now that he has the Avengers franchise all to himself to play around with.
How is that a definitive ending when everyone knows Hulk will not only survive but be back? The spaceship = carbonite.

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Everyone keeps saying "Illuminati" like it's the exact same one from the comics made up of only heroes. The MCU Illuminati could be IM, Strange, Fury, and the Council from Avengers or it can just be the Council by themselves. If the Council can decide to shoot a nuke at Manhattan to stop an alien invasion (and effectively kill millions) they'd have no problem shipping Hulk off into space if he turns into a threat.

And it seems like everyone's forgotten that there are other types of heroes than just the good guy hero. Like Mr. Dent said turn Hulk into the tragic hero and the audience would eat it up. People love a good tragic story it's been proven throughout time.

So for A2 they could have it were Thanos (who the audience knows is a behind the scenes villain so far) come in and battle the Avengers and in the conflict have him completely unlock all of the Hulk's rage and anger and go out of control like never before (this wouldn't be turning the Hulk into a villain but showing the audience what would happen if the Hulk ever lost complete control which the audience knows can happen to the Hulk) then forcing the Avengers to fight Hulk with Thanos using this situation to attack the Avengers and defeat them leaving the Council(Illuminati) no choice but to chose to ship him off into space. That scenario would effectively turn Hulk into the tragic hero betrayed by a group of people who were capable of killing millions in Avengers 1. People would love the Hulk even more after that

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They don't have to be 100 percent loyal to the story Banner could get into space some other way that doesn't have to be him being betrayed.

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True but turning the Hulk into the tragic hero would be the best way to do the story

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Then how would they do World War Hulk? Hulk comes back to earth to get revenge for being shot into space and he was mistakenly convinced that the heroes blew up Skaar.

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Everyone keeps saying "Illuminati" like it's the exact same one from the comics made up of only heroes. The MCU Illuminati could be IM, Strange, Fury, and the Council from Avengers or it can just be the Council by themselves. If the Council can decide to shoot a nuke at Manhattan to stop an alien invasion (and effectively kill millions) they'd have no problem shipping Hulk off into space if he turns into a threat.

And it seems like everyone's forgotten that there are other types of heroes than just the good guy hero. Like Mr. Dent said turn Hulk into the tragic hero and the audience would eat it up. People love a good tragic story it's been proven throughout time.

So for A2 they could have it were Thanos (who the audience knows is a behind the scenes villain so far) come in and battle the Avengers and in the conflict have him completely unlock all of the Hulk's rage and anger and go out of control like never before (this wouldn't be turning the Hulk into a villain but showing the audience what would happen if the Hulk ever lost complete control which the audience knows can happen to the Hulk) then forcing the Avengers to fight Hulk with Thanos using this situation to attack the Avengers and defeat them leaving the Council(Illuminati) no choice but to chose to ship him off into space. That scenario would effectively turn Hulk into the tragic hero betrayed by a group of people who were capable of killing millions in Avengers 1. People would love the Hulk even more after that
Only thing I disagree with you on is that the Avengers will essentially not have a part in shooting Hulk into space. I believe they will be forced to fight against Hulk because he will be out of control and will have no other option than to aid the Council. If that's not the case, then at the very least the Hulk will have to have some reason to view the Avengers as having been complacent in him getting shot into space.

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It does have to involve him being betrayed otherwise WWH doesn't work.

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There's no reason to have Hulk revert to the antagonist, not after the character arc he went through in The Avengers.

What they should do is have the Council take advantage of Hulk being with the rest of his team mates fighting against Thanos in space and jettison him off into deep space. They can use it either as a nice closure for the character or set him and his aliens as allies during TA3

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Ghost Rider was going to stop Hulk, but decided not to since Hulk did nothing wrong. I assume Marvel's getting the Ghost Rider backs soon, so they could always rewrite that part. It'd be a cool way to introduce Ghost Rider into the MCU too.

But besides that, I'm sort of opposed to a WWH movie. It'd be cool to see, though I like the idea of Planet Hulk happening because of Thanos much more. Plus, WWH wouldn't be as epic with Hulk only fighting the Avengers & some street heroes.
A lot can happen in five years with these movies. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Ant-Man/Giant-Man, Wasp, Falcon,Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Winter Soldier, War Machine, Iron Fist, Blade, Punisher, Luke Cage, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man(maybe even heroes from his world, like Black Cat), Strange, the Guardians, Namor, S.H.I.E.L.D. ,the military(Thunderbolt Ross' pursuit)
Of course the most of the heroes I've mentioned haven't appeared in the MCU yet, but I'm just saying how much could happen in 5 years. That's plenty for the Hulk to potentially face, and I might even be leaving a few heroes off.

That's just assuming WWH takes up an entire movie, though. Personally, I doubt it will if it's going to be part of TA3's storyline. I think they need another villain in that movie besides the Hulk if that's the case.

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Wow, seeing a Planet Hulk movie come to fruition would just be amazing, the only problem is, we would probably have to see a lot of changes to the story as the Hulk couldnt be on the screen 100% of the time, they would have to give Ruffalo face time, and the budget would be too much.

Either way though, it would be amazing to see that and then WWH. Only thing is, how would they stop Hulk at the end of WWH, The Sentry was the only one who could fight him to stand still in the comics, who in the MCU would be able to do that?
Thor, I imagine.

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I can't see Marvel ever committing to a $200 million dollar hulk movie. So i think that right there crosses out any of the more ambitious hulk stories they could do.

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I can't see them even committing to a $150 million dollar Hulk movie

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Everyone keeps saying "Illuminati" like it's the exact same one from the comics made up of only heroes. The MCU Illuminati could be IM, Strange, Fury, and the Council from Avengers or it can just be the Council by themselves. If the Council can decide to shoot a nuke at Manhattan to stop an alien invasion (and effectively kill millions) they'd have no problem shipping Hulk off into space if he turns into a threat.

And it seems like everyone's forgotten that there are other types of heroes than just the good guy hero. Like Mr. Dent said turn Hulk into the tragic hero and the audience would eat it up. People love a good tragic story it's been proven throughout time.

So for A2 they could have it were Thanos (who the audience knows is a behind the scenes villain so far) come in and battle the Avengers and in the conflict have him completely unlock all of the Hulk's rage and anger and go out of control like never before (this wouldn't be turning the Hulk into a villain but showing the audience what would happen if the Hulk ever lost complete control which the audience knows can happen to the Hulk) then forcing the Avengers to fight Hulk with Thanos using this situation to attack the Avengers and defeat them leaving the Council(Illuminati) no choice but to chose to ship him off into space. That scenario would effectively turn Hulk into the tragic hero betrayed by a group of people who were capable of killing millions in Avengers 1. People would love the Hulk even more after that
Tragic heroes and anti-heroes work for *grownups,* not *kids.* This ain't Batman. Or even the X-Men, which can afford to be dark and dreary, because that's the thematic element of the franchise, and is aimed at more mature audiences. The MCU is, for now, the four-color wing of comics, and it owes all its success to keeping the tone optimistic, bright, fun and funny, instead of getting all grim and gritty. Tragic heroes and anti-heroes do not belong in this type of CBM. (Once Marvel figures out what to do with the motherlode of Marvel Knights-type characters in their harem, that becomes a different story. But for now: four-color.)

There is absolutely no scenario where any of the heroes come out looking good --- or *profitable* --- if they betray each other, backstab each other, try to kill each other. These are superheroes....these are role models. Kids don't want to see their role models turn into ***** and punching bags and villains.

Again: the ONLY freakin' way a Planet Hulk/WWHulk scenario works is if the ones who kick him off the planet are bona fide villains. World Security Council: yes. The Leader: yes. Thanos: yes. Tony Stark, the Avengers, and any form of "Illuminati" that involves superheroes: hell to the ****in' no. Never.

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Tony Stark in the MCU would stick up for Banner anyway. He continually defended him and encouraged him in Avengers, and suggested he should embrace the Hulk side of his persona. Stark is unlikely to belong to any Illuminati either, or become Director of SHIELD. He's a different character to the one developed in the comics. He's also Marvel's golden goose, so there's no way they're going to make him look like a villain just to turn Hulk into a tragic hero.

Either audiences will side with Stark, or if Marvel turns Stark into such a villain, they risk killing not only the Iron Man franchise, but (since the MCU almost rests on IM), also destroying the universe they've built up.

Stark would be the first one to protest against any foul play on the part of the World Security Council, SHIELD, the Illuminati or the Avengers. He brought up similar issues when he felt Fury was hiding things and suggested Cap look into it. Cap himself did, and didn't simply give Fury the benefit of the doubt. That also suggests that Cap is a man of honour (which we all knew anyway).

So there's even 2 people who would likely side with Banner and not betray him. And Thor is about honour too, so he's probably another one.

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Tragic heroes and anti-heroes work for *grownups,* not *kids.* This ain't Batman. Or even the X-Men, which can afford to be dark and dreary, because that's the thematic element of the franchise, and is aimed at more mature audiences. The MCU is, for now, the four-color wing of comics, and it owes all its success to keeping the tone optimistic, bright, fun and funny, instead of getting all grim and gritty. Tragic heroes and anti-heroes do not belong in this type of CBM. (Once Marvel figures out what to do with the motherlode of Marvel Knights-type characters in their harem, that becomes a different story. But for now: four-color.)

There is absolutely no scenario where any of the heroes come out looking good --- or *profitable* --- if they betray each other, backstab each other, try to kill each other. These are superheroes....these are role models. Kids don't want to see their role models turn into ***** and punching bags and villains.

Again: the ONLY freakin' way a Planet Hulk/WWHulk scenario works is if the ones who kick him off the planet are bona fide villains. World Security Council: yes. The Leader: yes. Thanos: yes. Tony Stark, the Avengers, and any form of "Illuminati" that involves superheroes: hell to the ****in' no. Never.
That's not true. The MCU Hulk is a very tragic hero. Because of the Hulk, Bruce can't settle down, be with Betty and raise a family. In TIH he also suffered nightmares from his Hulk out episodes. He even admitted to trying to kill himself in The Avengers.

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