Young Justice Cartoon - Part 5

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[vantheman77]

With the first season finally over, I think we can all concentrate on Invasion. I wonder if Kid Flash, Artemis, Zatanna, and Rocket will leave the group and end up being replaced by Blue Beetle, Wonder Girl, and Lagoon Boy in the Invasion season premiere.

[Scarecrow_King]

Originally Posted by vantheman77

With the first season finally over, I think we can all concentrate on Invasion. I wonder if Kid Flash, Artemis, Zatanna, and Rocket will leave the group and end up being replaced by Blue Beetle, Wonder Girl, and Lagoon Boy in the Invasion season premiere.

uh, no. Why would they ditch half the characters they spent an entire season building up? I can see Rocket leaving, but the rest need to stay. Zatanna I would think would keep at least a guest appearance credit every now and then.

[DrDoom]

I HAVE VERIZON FIOS AND MY GUIDE SAYS THE NEXT EPISODE IS CALLED HAPPY NEW YEAR? ISNT IT SUPPOSED TO BE CALLED "INVASION"?

IS "INVASION" THE EPISODE NAME OR THE NEW NAME FOR THE SERIES? OR DOES MY GUIDE JUST HAVE IT WRONG?

-DOOM

[Scarecrow_King]

Invasion is just kinda the name of the "event" of season 2. I guess you could call it the season title. The first episode is called "Happy New Year."

[DrDoom]

K, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. MY DVR IS AUTOMATICALLY RECORDING IT. I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALLS ARE HAVING TROUBLE, ITS DONE THAT TO ME A COUPLE TIMES IN THE PAST.

-DOOM

[Primal Slayer]

It could be CNs way of approaching it as a new series like they do with Ben10.

[nygma619]

Sarcastic Fan:

Actually, group recordings are the 'norm. Spisak and Lemelin actually kissed in the booth while recording that scene.

So did Chabert and McCartney.

That sounds cute. It also makes me wonder if Lemelin has punched Spisak's arm and smacked the back of his head during recordings when need be.

[RockSP]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow_King

uh, no. Why would they ditch half the characters they spent an entire season building up? I can see Rocket leaving, but the rest need to stay. Zatanna I would think would keep at least a guest appearance credit every now and then.

That would suck if they got rid of Rocket after just 2 episodes (not counting her 2 silent cameos).

[Dread]

Originally Posted by vantheman77

With the first season finally over, I think we can all concentrate on Invasion. I wonder if Kid Flash, Artemis, Zatanna, and Rocket will leave the group and end up being replaced by Blue Beetle, Wonder Girl, and Lagoon Boy in the Invasion season premiere.

I would certainly hate that, if that was done outright. I do fear the founding cast will often take a back seat to guests, but that would be ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Sarcastic Fan

Actually, group recordings are the 'norm. Spisak and Lemelin actually kissed in the booth while recording that scene.

So did Chabert and McCartney.

Interesting. Thanks for a "revelation" of your own.

Originally Posted by nygma619

Sarcastic Fan:
That sounds cute. It also makes me wonder if Lemelin has punched Spisak's arm and smacked the back of his head during recordings when need be.

It is said that there often is a bit of "method acting" in voice recording.

May as well reply to your other statements from the last thread here, nygma619.

Originally Posted by nygma619

Maybe I didn't really consider it, because it was in THAT DAMN COMIC! recently.

That would not surprise me. And to think, people these days think little of cartoons that used to all but brainwash kids into buying toys or trading cards. Here this show all but requires reading a monthly pamphlet supplement and it's all, "oh, look how clever it is".

At any rate, it appears Rocket may serve the role to Aqualad that I imagined Artemis would; be the sassy girl to pull him from his sea-shell a bit. While I still think Kaldur and Artemis had a lot in common, and Rocket at this stage is a walking stereotype, it is something Kaldur has needed desperately. I am glad he was not "the mole" although him possibly wearing Black Manta armor still risks a bit of "Alex Wilder syndrome". But, I will see how it plays out; maybe Kaldur will instead seek to redeem the legacy. Something which - again - would give him something in common with Artemis, another offspring of less than admirable people. But, yes, ship-sailed.

Originally Posted by nygma619

No, but Vandal Savage is higher up on the food chain, if you keep having him battle someone, it diminishes the importance.

I disagree; it all depends on how it is executed and played out. As the lead villain in a superhero show, a certain amount of conflict is expected - especially as he is one of roughly half of "The Light" who are of any use in a fight themselves (Luthor, Queen Bee, and the Brain are non-combatants). If it was done poorly - such as Vandal getting curb stomped and arrested a bunch of times - then yes, it would diminish him. But I doubt that is how Weisman & Company would handle it.

After all, Spider-Man battled the Green Goblin twice before "FINAL CURTAIN" in "SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN"; did that "diminish the importance" of the Green Goblin as a villain? I sincerely doubt it, as it never did with me. If anything, it built anticipation - especially as most of their bouts were inconclusive. It could be argued that Vandal Savage is closer to Tombstone from that show than Goblin, but even that disproves your theory; while the final showdown with Tombstone happened in "GANGLAND", fans got a taste of what was to come at the end of "THE INVISIBLE HAND" when Spidey initially confronts "the big man". This was no "distraction" battle - it was a lesson that not all of Spidey's problems could be solved as simply as apprehending a costumed villain in the street. Fighting Tombstone twice within 26 episodes (23, technically) did not "diminish his importance" either. It all is a matter of how it is played.

Savage and Klarion being apprehended would have been too neat and tidy; but they could have at least mixed it up with the kids a little. Maybe it was sacrificed for running time? Maybe it will make for an issue of "that damn comic"? Who knows. All I know is "YJ" Season 1 chose to waste it's only physical altercation with it's lead villain in an episode where he merely served as a distraction in a scheme involving someone else. Again, it's nothing that kills the show or anything; merely keeps it from being absolutely terrific to me, to being that A+.

I imagine the villain for Season 2 will be Darkseid, and the show will likely use him in the second season finale. Hence why I see "AULD ACQUAINTANCE" has missing one slight opportunity here.

Originally Posted by nygma619

Yeah but she never took the initiative to get closer/more intimate with him (or any other male on the team), like Wally did with her.

Wally never seems to hesitate with attempting to get intimate with a woman.

In seriousness, because Artemis was one of few major (or minor) female characters Wally immediately hit on, he probably got a better chance to sort out who she was or at least what was attractive to her besides immediate things like beauty or demeanor. I still feel their path together was arguably more complicated than half of all X-Men relationships ("We hated each other's guts until some strange dome headed guy zapped us with amnesia"), but that's at least in the rear view window now.

Originally Posted by nygma619

Personally I don't think the comparison works because both are different types of relationships.

I feel it is within limits because these are the two relationships the show has devoted air time too. Aqualad/Rocket has just started, and Robin/Zatanna came in midway. It is a coupling which seems to be distinctly made to contrast with each other, so I don't think contrasting them is so bad.

Originally Posted by nygma619

I think Danica McKellar mentioned that most of the time, the main cast records together. But I can't remember where I saw that so don't quote me on it.

Naturally, Andrea Romano is not the first or last voice director to realize a live group recording tends to provide better interactive chemistry.

Originally Posted by nygma619

I'd rephrase that as Wally showed that he's capable of turning on the charm while still being mature about it.

On one more note. I expect that as the season progresses both of them will grow closer to each other (does KF know that she's not GA's niece?), but I hope that Artemis doesn't get too soft on him.

In fairness, Kid-Flash is capable of being understanding with some reasonably dark people. He is best friends with Robin, whose parents were murdered in front of him and whose mentor is the god damned Batman; that takes a degree of depth, I can imagine. The downside is that Wally tends not to be terribly mature very often, so it is easy to miss it if you blink.

Considering that Artemis literally went over her family tree with visual aids to Wally (and the team) in "USUAL SUSPECTS", he would have to be pretty dense to still believe the Green Arrow cover story. I presumed all of them nixed it once Artemis spilled her guts - especially after Robin announced he already knew. Wally's had his dumb moments in the show, but missing that is just plain reading comprehension error.

I also doubt that Artemis will grow soft on Wally considering half the point of their relationship is to offer an alternative to the saccharine that often is "Meganboy". The HELMET OF FATE alluded to her as a "spitfire" and that thing's never wrong. While they both seem to have a flair for adventure and one-liners (although Wally embraces this more than Artemis), Artemis is more efficient and aggressive and Wally is more analytical and sensitive.

As I stated before, their backgrounds greatly contrast - which was part of why I was critical of how their pairing was explained. From what we know in this show, Artemis' entire family are either ex or current criminals. Her mother is an ex-con who apparently became disabled for her trouble; her father is now incarcerated (but for how long) and her elder sister remains a fugitive. In contrast, almost everyone in Wally's family tree is either a current or retired hero, or a TV anchor/journalist (which one could argue is a means of seeking justice and stamping out corruption in another venue). While Artemis' family life involved a lot of manipulation, betrayals, and forced servitude, nothing the show has offered has suggested Wally's family life is anything less than a suburban fantasy. His parents accept him being a superhero with all the calm patience as if he'd merely had a newspaper delivery route - after all, they've had a while to get used to Barry Allen being Flash, and Jay Garrick before him. While I imagine you could get many episodes out of things Artemis may have done with or for her father in the past coming home to roost - such as any enemies she made during that time - it's more difficult to wrest anything terribly dramatic from Wally's side since the show has never tried thus far.

I imagine Artemis would either find Wally's boring home life refreshing, or boring. Of course, that makes a family dinner with both their families (or just Artemis' mom) awkward comedy gold.

Given how this show has mostly relied on villains from the galleries of Batman and Superman (and to a lessor degree from Aquaman), I wouldn't mind seeing a Flash villain serve a central role in an episode next season and for he/she to actually be a challenge and not a joke. I feel Capt. Cold was wasted in favor of the predictable Mr. Freeze in "TERRORS", although naturally Icicle Sr. having a kid is likely why he was favored. Capt. Cold is virtually the only Flash villain who has shown up. And no, I don't want it to be Grodd; this show has had enough evil gorillas to last a life time, and I have seen Grodd too often in animation. Professor Zoom would be my top pick since he could easily challenge a team of characters and it would be nice for some show besides "DIVIDED WE FALL" in "JLU" to actually depict that super-speed could be a dangerous power instead of a gimmick handed to a loser who is less skilled than any human fighter as is typically portrayed. Weisman wrote Zoom in an episode of "BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD" but this would be a chance to take things to a more serious level. Mirror Master is the most probable after Capt. Cold, even if I have seen a bit of him lately. Dr. Alchemy and even The Thinker could probably be given decent twists on this show.

That is, assuming the show has time for much between a half dozen guest stars and alien invasions.

[Gelc22]

Originally Posted by Dread

While I imagine you could get many episodes out of things Artemis may have done with or for her father in the past coming home to roost - such as any enemies she made during that time - it's more difficult to wrest anything terribly dramatic from Wally's side since the show has never tried thus far.

If there is a time-skip of a year or more like a lot of people assume, I wonder if there's a chance they could kill Barry off sometime in Season 2? If the time-skip is just a year, Wally would be seventeen(?), just a year away from reaching the age limit to join the League. Weisman mentioned that Jay Garrick plays an important role at some point, maybe he comes out of retirement to take the Flash mantle until Wally is ready? We've seen from the "Face Your Fears" issue of the tie-in comic that Wally does worry about his abilities not being good enough.

I know you pointed out that Wally hasn't shown any real pressure about being part of the Flash legacy yet, but it makes since that he doesn't since Barry is around and relatively young(Early 30's, I think). Wally can afford to coast a bit because there is no pressure on him with Barry as the Flash. If Barry does leave somehow, all of a sudden the Flash legacy is left to a 90+ year-old guy and Wally, that's when the pressure and self doubt would kick in.

Didn't Weisman's 'Batman: The Brave and the Bold' Flash episode have something like that? Where Barry got sucked into another time chasing Zoom, so Wally and Jay picked up the slack while blaming themselves for Barry's "death"? I mean, I really doubt they'll go this route with everything else going on in YJ, but I think it could be interesting.

[Bruce_Begins]

Solid season finale episode.

I was wondering how did YJ team reverse engineered the Starro tech which had nano tech and some magic as well, maybe Red Tornado's Tech skills with Robin's programming / hacking skills and Zatanna's magical skills combined could have helped them develop a counter tech to Starro's tech.

[Bruce_Begins]

Klarion the witch boy and his cat are true evil, they are just great !

[Dangerman]

Since they are bringing Cassie aboard I hope her and Conner get together.

[Longshot777]

I was wondering how did YJ team reverse engineered the Starro tech which had nano tech and some magic as well, maybe Red Tornado's Tech skills with Robin's programming / hacking skills and Zatanna's magical skills combined could have helped them develop a counter tech to Starro's tech.


On the episode where they cured Captain Marvel, Icon, and Dr. Fate...

...they mentioned that they were helped by Queen Mera, Dr. Spence, and Dr. Roquet. (Not sure about the spelling)

[Grommers]

My best guess is they'll save that info the comic, it's not detrimental to the story but it is nice filler to know a little bit more insider info.

After reading the first 13 of the comics, I can honestly say they really just add to the YJ experience, but none of them really have anything to additionally add to the YJ tv show story line. Yes they build deeper into the characters (very little in my opinion.), but you can tell the writing is carefully chosen words, and almost seems like it's making sure not to tip-toe on the show.

[spider-neil]

any new of season 1 coming out on blu ray?

[Lencho01]

Originally Posted by Longshot777

I was wondering how did YJ team reverse engineered the Starro tech which had nano tech and some magic as well, maybe Red Tornado's Tech skills with Robin's programming / hacking skills and Zatanna's magical skills combined could have helped them develop a counter tech to Starro's tech.


On the episode where they cured Captain Marvel, Icon, and Dr. Fate...

...they mentioned that they were helped by Queen Mera, Dr. Spence, and Dr. Roquet. (Not sure about the spelling)

Well, it sounds like they just got luckly.

[X-Ray]

Originally Posted by DrDoom

I HAVE VERIZON FIOS AND MY GUIDE SAYS THE NEXT EPISODE IS CALLED HAPPY NEW YEAR? ISNT IT SUPPOSED TO BE CALLED "INVASION"?

IS "INVASION" THE EPISODE NAME OR THE NEW NAME FOR THE SERIES? OR DOES MY GUIDE JUST HAVE IT WRONG?

-DOOM

New name to series. I checked my DVR recording schedule for Saturday and Young Justice wasn't on it. Just ThunderCats. So I scrolled over to see what's the deal and it shows Young Justice Invasion @ 10:30 AM. So if you haven't done so. Set DVRs to record Young Justice Invasion. Good thing I caught that ****.

[Scarecrow_King]

Originally Posted by X-Ray

New name to series. I checked my DVR recording schedule for Saturday and Young Justice wasn't on it. Just ThunderCats. So I scrolled over to see what's the deal and it shows Young Justice Invasion @ 10:30 AM. So if you haven't done so. Set DVRs to record Young Justice Invasion. Good thing I caught that ****.

Ooh, thanks for the heads up. Just changed my DVR.

[Gold Samurai]

A whole season devoted to an invasion. That's going to be epic. Twenty six episodes!

Ms Martians shorter hair must mean even more covert operations to investigate the invasion

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Originally Posted by Gold Samurai

A whole season devoted to an invasion. That's going to be epic. Twenty six episodes!

Season 2 only has 20 episodes...

[WolfCypher]

Originally Posted by Dangerman

Since they are bringing Cassie aboard I hope her and Conner get together.

Superboy and Miss Martian have gotten boring. They peaked too soon. Wonder Girl needs to come in and add some drama to this dull relationship they have.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Originally Posted by WolfCypher

Superboy and Miss Martian have gotten boring. They peaked too soon. Wonder Girl needs to come in and add some drama to this dull relationship they have.

While I definitely agree about spicing it up a bit, I thought they did it at a good time. If two people are attracted, it shouldn't take too long. And the last thing I wanted was for them to drag it out until the very last episode like Teen Titans or Danny Phantom did.