The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED) - Part 5

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[TheFuture]

Can't believe I'm saying this but I thought it was only okay. Maybe all the positive reviews so far have blown my expectations sky high, but I thought that the film suffered from pacing issues. Of the scarce negative reviews I've read, one critic said that the film is a mess until the last 40 minutes and I would actually agree with that.

The pace is so frenetic and not in a good way, this in turn has a knock on effect on key scenes such as

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Coulson dying. I just didn't feel the emotional punch that this scene should of had and this, in my opinion, is down to poor build up to the moment.

I also didn't think much of the character interaction bar the work between RDJ and Ruffalo, the latter actually stealing the show for me both as Banner and his monstrous counterpart. But even Hulk is effected by the poor pacing, he randomly goes from

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being an uncontrollable monster in one scene to taking orders in another scene, from not being able to distinguish between good and bad in one scene to saving the good guys in another scene. There's no pay off between these scenes to show us Banner learning how to control the monster

All in all, an entertaining 2 hours but no more than a 3/5 IMO. Disappointing as I was so excited to see this film.

[Rock Sexton]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

Can't believe I'm saying this but I thought it was only okay. Maybe all the positive reviews so far have blown my expectations sky high, but I thought that the film suffered from pacing issues. Of the scarce negative reviews I've read, one critic said that the film is a mess until the last 40 minutes and I would actually agree with that.

The pace is so frenetic and not in a good way, this in turn has a knock on effect on key scenes such as

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Coulson dying. I just didn't feel the emotional punch that this scene should of had and this, in my opinion, is down to poor build up to the moment.

I also didn't think much of the character interaction bar the work between RDJ and Ruffalo, the latter actually stealing the show for me both as Banner and his monstrous counterpart. But even Hulk is effected by the poor pacing, he randomly goes from

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

being an uncontrollable monster in one scene to taking orders in another scene, from not being able to distinguish between good and bad in one scene to saving the good guys in another scene. There's no pay off between these scenes to show us Banner learning how to control the monster

All in all, an entertaining 2 hours but no more than a 3/5 IMO. Disappointing as I was so excited to see this film.

I'm not one of these people who felt the film was without flaw. The pacing in the 1st act is definitely off. I still liked the 2nd and 3rd acts so much that it made up for it.

[TheFuture]

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton

I'm not one of these people who felt the film was without flaw. The pacing in the 1st act is definitely off. I still liked the 2nd and 3rd acts so much that it made up for it.

The last 40 minutes was worth the admission fee alone it must be said.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton

I'm not one of these people who felt the film was without flaw. The pacing in the 1st act is definitely off. I still liked the 2nd and 3rd acts so much that it made up for it.

Well yeah, all movies have flaws if you really pick them apart. This being no exception. But it's just so enjoyable and well put together and exhilarating that things like the cheesy space stuff and the slow burn first 20 minutes seem minuscule to me.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

But even Hulk is effected by the poor pacing, he randomly goes from

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being an uncontrollable monster in one scene to taking orders in another scene, from not being able to distinguish between good and bad in one scene to saving the good guys in another scene. There's no pay off between these scenes to show us Banner learning how to control the monster

Loki's staff was messing with Banner's mind on the helicarrier. Hence why he had absolutely no control over the monster. Personally I thought they made that pretty clear.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Loki's staff was messing with Banner's mind on the helicarrier. Hence why he had absolutely no control over the monster. Personally I thought they made that pretty clear.

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Especially when the camera zooms onto the staff when they are all arguing and suddenly Banner holds the staff in his hands without even realizing.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Nathan

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Especially when the camera zooms onto the staff when they are all arguing and suddenly Banner holds the staff in his hands without even realizing.

Yeah, between that and what Loki said to Widow it was pretty much laid out for the audience. I'm glad they didn't waste a bunch of time on expositional dialogue on things like that. Showing rather than telling.

[TheFuture]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Loki's staff was messing with Banner's mind on the helicarrier. Hence why he had absolutely no control over the monster. Personally I thought they made that pretty clear.

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I thought the staff was affecting everyone in that scene though, they cut to the staff while they were all *****ing at each other, even before Banner picked it up. Yet they all got their game face on when they were attacked, except for Hulk.

EDIT IMO Banner only picked it up because he was closest to it.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

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I thought the staff was affecting everyone in that scene though, they cut to the staff while they were all *****ing at each other, even before Banner picked it up. Yet they all got their game face on when they were attacked, except for Hulk.

But obviously Hulk is a monster and is far more unhinged than anyone there. If Banner's not in a right state of mind then Hulk will be 100x worse.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

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I thought the staff was affecting everyone in that scene though, they cut to the staff while they were all *****ing at each other, even before Banner picked it up. Yet they all got their game face on when they were attacked, except for Hulk.

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When you're anger incarnate, I'd assume it's a little harder to shake the effects of mind control.

[TheFuture]

Fair enough lads, I'll take your word for it, but I stand by the pacing issues.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

Can't believe I'm saying this but I thought it was only okay. Maybe all the positive reviews so far have blown my expectations sky high, but I thought that the film suffered from pacing issues. Of the scarce negative reviews I've read, one critic said that the film is a mess until the last 40 minutes and I would actually agree with that.

The pace is so frenetic and not in a good way, this in turn has a knock on effect on key scenes such as

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Coulson dying. I just didn't feel the emotional punch that this scene should of had and this, in my opinion, is down to poor build up to the moment.

I also didn't think much of the character interaction bar the work between RDJ and Ruffalo, the latter actually stealing the show for me both as Banner and his monstrous counterpart. But even Hulk is effected by the poor pacing, he randomly goes from

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

being an uncontrollable monster in one scene to taking orders in another scene, from not being able to distinguish between good and bad in one scene to saving the good guys in another scene. There's no pay off between these scenes to show us Banner learning how to control the monster

All in all, an entertaining 2 hours but no more than a 3/5 IMO. Disappointing as I was so excited to see this film.

I agree with everything you say. Specially about Coulson dying. That part's drama died with one of those stupid jokes (so this is what the gun does) they feel they have to pepper all over. But at least his death served a purpose.

I also noticed the incoherences about the Hulk, going from incontrolable beast that wanted to smash Black Widow to a perfectly self-controled beast who took orders, smiled and threw one awful one-liner.

About Loki, I don't know why they took so much effort to make him a great villiain just to have it beaten that half-comedic way by Hulk stripping the villanous character from any dignity. I totally disliked that.

I also rate this movie 3/5.

[TheFuture]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

About Loki, I don't know why they took so much effort to make him a great villiain just to have it beaten that half-comedic way by Hulk stripping the villanous character from any dignity. I totally disliked that.

I also rate this movie 3/5.

The only problem I had with that scene was Loki whimpering afterwards. It was too corny, if they were going to have Hulk smash him up, they could have played it a bit more serious. Instead it just made a joke out of a guy who they built up very well earlier on with his sinister rant at BW.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

The only problem I had with that scene was Loki whimpering afterwards. It was too corny, if they were going to have Hulk smash him up, they could have played it a bit more serious. Instead it just made a joke out of a guy who they built up very well earlier on with his sinister rant at BW.

Absolutely, but I also disliked it was all played for the laughs, with Loki throwing one of his threats and Hulk making his smashing joke. That and the post.-smashinmg Loki totally ruined the character and made a cheap joke out of it.

[Avenger25]

Well I just got back from the film and just wow. Everything about the film was amazing. The humour,the action and the character moments. It is now in my top 3 favorite films of all time. By far the best comic movie I've ever seen. I've always felt that the final battles in mcu movies have been lacking. That is more then made up for here, each character contributes in a big way to the outcome of the battle and it also feels like a battle a constant struggle. The hero on hero fights throughout the film are also top notch. My favorite moment? A toss up between hulk's scene with loki trust me you will know which i mean,Loki going all Hannibal lecter on black widow or the tracking shot of awesome. My rating a gazillion out of ten.

[El Payaso]

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[henzINNIT]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Absolutely, but I also disliked it was all played for the laughs, with Loki throwing one of his threats and Hulk making his smashing joke. That and the post.-smashinmg Loki totally ruined the character and made a cheap joke out of it.

Can't say that bothered me in the slightest. Loki was an ass, and a child playing with matches. He deserved to be burned. Villain embarassment is fine with me.

[TheIrishAvenger]

Just saw the film... best CBM ever

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by henzINNIT

Can't say that bothered me in the slightest. Loki was an ass, and a child playing with matches. He deserved to be burned. Villain embarassment is fine with me.

He deserved the punishment but also the required seriousness, not a comedic facile way out. The movie invested big time in making him dreadful, you don't just turn him into a clown in the climax. I mean, you shouldn't.

[Nathan]

You go up against the Hulk, you don't really have a chance to leave with your dignity intact.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Nathan

You go up against the Hulk, you don't really have a chance to leave with your dignity intact.

Thor did.

Ah, but yes, then Hulk punched him because of no reason in the final battle. No reason I said? I meant for cheap laughs, once again.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Thor did.

Thor is also leagues stronger.

Ah, but yes, then Hulk punched him because of no reason in the final battle. No reason I said? I meant for cheap laughs, once again.

Cheap? I saw it as a continuity of their early battle and also establishing their little rivalry. I like the added jerk attitude, reminds me of Hulk from the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon, when he would constantly tussle with the Thing.

[TheIrishAvenger]

Hulk punched Thor because he was still angry after their earlier battle. Also, Banner wants to turn into the Hulk in the final battle, so he has more control over it.