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Old 04-24-2016, 08:52 AM   #1
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Will the Marvel films ever sever ties completely with the TV shows?

While the TV shows like Agents of SHIELD have tie-ins to the Marvel movies, this is not a two-way street. However, the movies so far have not done anything explicit to contradict the TV shows, so that they could still exist together.

However, will the movies ever one day have something that directly contradicts what happens in the TV shows so that the result is that they can only exist in separate universes?

And if they do this, how will you feel about it?

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I really dislike Agents of SHIELD... so yes.

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I doubt it. First, I suspect anything they do that might conflict will just be a retcon rather than a severance of ties. Second, they have veto power over what the TV shows do. I doubt they'll care enough to have to sever ties. Marvel makes money by saying the right things and letting their TV shows tie into the movies. They aren't going to want to lose that just so some minor point of continuity can be used.

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We've seen with the Netflix shows that the Film/TV relationship is more "It's not contradictory!" than "It's all connected!", and I see that continuing with MMW, C&D and the shows to come. There's no good reason to contradict what is going on elsewhere in the MCU since, with the exception of AOS, there are no relationships or settings that cross the Film/TV boundary.

Though WB touted creative freedom by having separate universes, it has resulted in TV characters being killed before their big screen debuts, a frustrating blurry version of Superman on Supergirl, and a huge upcoming Flash problem in which folks are going to be asked to turn off the very good TV version of Barry Allen to pay to watch the Singerverse version of the same character. Not good.

I think we'll get TV character cameos in Infinity War and then TV and Film will go back to ignoring each other. But Marvel will keep its one live action universe.

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it already happened. the metlife building was allegedly visible in jessica jones.

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it already happened. the metlife building was allegedly visible in jessica jones.
It was! But I interpreted that more as a production error than a middle finger to the MCU films. The MetLife building was clearly rebuilt in another location after Tony Stark bought and redesigned the original. Now where do I go to pick up my No-Prize?

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it already happened. the metlife building was allegedly visible in jessica jones.
I don't know what you're referring to, but that's more likely just a continuity error than a directly open contradiction. Either they couldn't be bothered to hide it for just a small shot that probably no-one remembers or they didn't remember themselves.

I'm talking about things like making statements in the movies which are such that it suggests that something in a TV show can't have happened, or even casting someone else in the same role that an actor played in a TV show. That sort of thing would then really say that the movies and shows aren't connected anymore, or that it's only a one-way connection (ie, the shows acknowledging the movies but not vice versa).

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Old 04-24-2016, 09:38 AM   #8
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Marvel Cinematic Universe movies will reference the TV shows... eventually
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Daredevil and Jessica Jones could one day become new Avengers.
Maybe.Marvel Studios top dog Kevin Feige has given the biggest
indication yet that its various TV series will be referenced in the
movies. Eventually.Despite some very important plot developments going
on in Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (Inhumans and the like), the ABC
series has been neglected by the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far, but
this could change soon.
Marvel Cinematic Universe movies will reference the TV shows ...


Marvel Movies Referencing TV Shows ‘Inevitable’ Says Kevin Feige
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S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Phil Coulson is still alive in the Marvel Cinematic
Universe after his seemingly untimely demise in 2012’s The Avengers
and the secretive organization that he now runs still operates after
the crushing events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Coulson’s
team assists The Avengers; meanwhile, Inhumans are surfacing across
the globe with superpowers and more and more vigilante superheroes are
emerging in Hell’s Kitchen, New York.

All of these important events are happening but none of them are being
addressed in the connected Marvel Studios movies – at least not yet.
It was one of the more notable issues with Avengers: Age of Ultron and
certainly a point of contention for its writer and director Joss
Whedon who was very vocal about some of the obstacles he faced in
developing the Avengers sequel and the MCU’s first television program,
in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..

Speaking at an event last night to celebrate the in-home release of
Avengers: Age of Ultron, Kevin Feige – now the top boss at Marvel
Studios – admitted that the TV shows will have an increased role and
will be referenced more in the movies down the road.

“I think that’s inevitable at some point as we’re plotting the
movies going forward and they’re doing the shows.”
With Phase 3 Marvel Studios has had a clear plan from the beginning,
one that was flexible based on whether or not they could gain the
rights to certain characters (i.e. Spider-Man). They know the
production schedule and release slate from now until summer 2019 and
with that in mind they can plan ahead in deciding which Marvel TV
properties they desire to pull over.


To date, it’s been a challenge to take advantage of the TV stuff
partly due to the scheduling of these productions. TV episodes are
made relatively quickly and can react to the larger events of the
films, which in turn must enter development far before they release in
theaters. As Feige put it:
“It’s easier for them. They’re more nimble and faster and produce
things quicker than we do, which is one of the main reasons you see
the repercussions of Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron in the show.
Going forward and certainly as they begin to do more shows and cast
them with such great actors as they have — particularly Daredevil —
that that may occur. A lot of it is by the time we start doing a
movie, they’d be midway through a season; by the time it comes out
they’d be done with the second, starting the third season. Finding
timing on that is not always easy.”

We interviewed Kevin Feige while he was promoting the theatrical
release of Avengers: Age of Ultron back in April, the same week
Daredevil released on Netflix. At the time, he said there had been
discussions with the TV division and its head Jeph Loeb and that the
plan would be to establish these TV show characters and their origins
first – and then find out where they could make appearances in the
films.

Before that, when unveiling the Phase 3 schedule at a fan and media
event in October 2014, Feige spoke during a Q&A briefly about the
Netflix shows and said there are opportunities for crossovers – but
reiterated that his own interests and focus is strictly on the films.
That’s been an ongoing issue we’ve reported on since the beginning of
ABC’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. since we know the film creatives pretty
much ignore its existence.

Joss Whedon, who created it and helemd
Avengers 1 and 2, even said Marvel didn’t want him to do the show and
we know from our own chats with the writers, producers and directors
of Ant-Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Thor 2, etc. that they don’t even
watch the series.

Knowing that, the TV characters and stories aren’t – or at least,
haven’t been to date – in their minds when planning ahead, but things
are beginning to change thanks to the critical success of Daredevil.
We can argue that Marvel TV was better than the Phase 2 films.
With Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s season 3 premiere earning much praise last
night, and continuing to improve in quality and in its relevance in
the MCU, there’s still a chance some of these characters would one day
make an appearance in the movies even if it’s a minimal cameo.
We wouldn’t be surprised that like the comics, some of the TV
characters eventually serve as Avengers. Netflix’s Defenders
characters (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist) all
fit the bill and even on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. we’re seeing potential
Avengers in Quake (Chloe Bennet), Mockingbird (Adrianne Palicki) and
Deathlok (J. August Richards). And it doesn’t just apply to the
heroes. When asked if someone like Kingpin (Vincent D’Onforio) could
make for a good Spider-Man movie villain, Feige responded with “That
would probably be the cool thing to do.”

Are you hoping to see more crossover between the films and TV shows?
What Marvel TV characters deserve movie appearances?
or
Kevin Feige Says a Crossover Between the Marvel TV Shows and Films Is
“Inevitable”

Marvel TV Show Crossovers with Movies "Inevitable" | Collider


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If none of the Defenders show up in either of the Infinity War, then Feige should just admit that there's no connection whatsoever between the MCU and its TV brethren. If they think an occasional guest star from MCU character or the existence of Agent Coulson in AOS are enough to justify their promise of connecting these two universes, then they are terribly wrong. They might as well just create a TV version of Tony Stark to interact with the TV characters instead of keeping up this pretense.

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Even though the schedules don't quite align, they could put some AOS cameos in the Avengers. They could've been aboard that helicarrier in Age of Ultron when SHIELD came to help out. It's then up to the TV show to find a way nearer the time to explain it and fit in with the show's current plot line since they're more flexible.

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No big deal. It's really the Infinity Wars that would have the best excuse for having as many characters as possible involved.

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It was! But I interpreted that more as a production error than a middle finger to the MCU films. The MetLife building was clearly rebuilt in another location after Tony Stark bought and redesigned the original. Now where do I go to pick up my No-Prize?
Yeah but from the looks of it the MetLife building was still right there at the end of Park Ave where the Avengers Tower is supposed to be, I thought.
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I don't know what you're referring to,
this is the MetLife building in midtown Manhattan. In the MCU, Tony Stark bought the building and made his NYC penthouse the top floor. Which eventually turned into a HQ for all of the Avengers. I guess it can be assumed that the insurance continues to use the rest of the building and pays rent to Stark.



It was allegedly seen, clearly, in the skyline of Jessica Jones.
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but that's more likely just a continuity error than a directly open contradiction. Either they couldn't be bothered to hide it for just a small shot that probably no-one remembers or they didn't remember themselves.
What exactly is the difference? If we see something that is inconsistent with what we saw before, it's a continuity error, since it contradicts what was previously established.

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I'm talking about things like making statements in the movies which are such that it suggests that something in a TV show can't have happened, or even casting someone else in the same role that an actor played in a TV show. That sort of thing would then really say that the movies and shows aren't connected anymore, or that it's only a one-way connection (ie, the shows acknowledging the movies but not vice versa).
Oh I see. In that case then no I don't think it's happened. I head there was an actress cast in Luke Cage who's also appearing in Dr. Strange as someone else.

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All I want is Daredevil in Infinity War. That's literally it, I can deal with no further connections... Please Feige

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What exactly is the difference? If we see something that is inconsistent with what we saw before, it's a continuity error, since it contradicts what was previously established.
The difference is intent. The shows have clearly referenced the Avengers and some events in the movies, so the intent is clearly that they belong to the same world.

This thread is about the movies and tv shows cutting ties, and you brought up that continuity error as proof of that it's happening. The other poster correctly pointed out that it was just that, an error, and not an intentional severing of the worlds.

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Lady sif,maria hill,jasper sitwell, and nick fury from the mcu movies all were shown in agents of shield,so the mcu shows and mcu movies are connected.
Think of the star trek movies and the star trek tv shows.

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The MetLife building thing isn't a huge contradiction IMO. If you're not too familiar with New York's skyline you wouldn't even notice it. I don't think it's the TV division saying FU to the film continuity or anything like that. Not to mention there's plenty of Avengers references in Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

I think the Netflix shows are bound to crossover with the films eventually. As far as Agents of SHIELD goes, I think they've lost their chance. It might have been possible when the show started out but it quickly lost over half its viewers and become more of a cult following. I don't think Marvel is as invested in that show as people think.

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I hope they don't cut all ties with the tv shows but I wish they would can AOS, if we are all honest it's just not that good, I've tried so so hard to like it but I can't, the Netflix stuff however is pretty good and I hope we see some defenders popping up in Infinity War

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I hope they don't cut all ties with the tv shows but I wish they would can AOS, if we are all honest it's just not that good, I've tried so so hard to like it but I can't, the Netflix stuff however is pretty good and I hope we see some defenders popping up in Infinity War
I strongly disagree.The show gets better season after season,while peggy carter and daredevil decline in thier season 2.
Anybody saying the show has not improve or as gotten worse does not watch the show.
It's the best mcu show out there now.
In fact season 3 of shield as 100% rt score from critics.
Daredevil does not even have that.


Here are the overall rt ratings.For each season you check rt as well.
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Current comicbook shows TOMATOMETER RT scores

The Flash- Rating: 98%
Supergirl -Rating: 97%
Arrow- Rating: 96%
Izombie - Rating: 96%
Jessica Jones - Rating: 93%
Agents of shield - Rating: 93%
Gotham - Rating: 90%
Marvel's Agent Carter-Rating: 87%
Marvel's Daredevil- Rating: 86%
Constantine - Rating: 72%
DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Rating: 59%
Powers - Rating: 50%
Lucifer - Rating: 49%

By the way the rankings could change in the future.
Anyway all these are shows are good,some very good, some great,some really great,some are excellent and on average better then comicbook movies.I watch most of them,but on average i enjoy the marvel stuff more then the dc stuff average,but i really like them all.
Most of these shows are in 90's so the shows that are in the 90's are considered really great to excellent.95% and up is excellent.


To check out the average critic ratings and audience rating just look up each one at RT.
Note- I have not kept up with gotham,legends of tomorrow and constantine,but i will watch the episodes i missed when i have more time.The show Lucifer i may watch later.


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Marvel's Jessica Jones: Season 1 (2015)
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/jessica-jones/s01/


Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3 (2015)

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I strongly disagree.The show gets better season after season,while peggy carter and daredevil decline in thier season 2.
Anybody saying the show has not improve or as gotten worse does not watch the show.
It's the best mcu show out there now.
In fact season 3 is the best thing in the mcu now.
It as 100% rt score from critics has well.
Daredevil does not even have that.


Here are the overall rt ratings.For each season you check rt as well.
I need to get back watching AoS again. I stopped sometime at the beginning of season 3 due to having other things to do and haven't gotten back to it yet. Then again I do not agree that Daredevil season 2 declined so I guess I shouldn't take this as a guarantee of how good the show has become.

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I need to get back watching AoS again. I stopped sometime at the beginning of season 3 due to having other things to do and haven't gotten back to it yet. Then again I do not agree that Daredevil season 2 declined so I guess I shouldn't take this as a guarantee of how good the show has become.
I have not watch all of daredevil season 2 yet,so i was only going by critic and audience scores.
Trust me on season 3 of agents of shield.
It's the best season so far.


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Daredevil season 2 was far better than season 1 IMO.

SHIELD got real boring once the Inhuman storyline started up, so I dropped it. The quality difference between that and Netflix is really noticeable

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The difference is intent. The shows have clearly referenced the Avengers and some events in the movies, so the intent is clearly that they belong to the same world.
I asked what the difference between a contradiction and continuity error is, so this doesn't really answer that. They might as well be the same thing. In the case of my example, showing the MetLife building in Jessica Jones contradicts what we saw in Av1 because it takes place before that. And it is a continuity error for the same reason.
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This thread is about the movies and tv shows cutting ties, and you brought up that continuity error as proof of that it's happening. The other poster correctly pointed out that it was just that, an error, and not an intentional severing of the worlds.
We established that, but as far as I'm concerned, "contradiction" isn't the word for that. TV shows separating canonicity from the MCU is a completely different topic.
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The MetLife building thing isn't a huge contradiction IMO. If you're not too familiar with New York's skyline you wouldn't even notice it. I don't think it's the TV division saying FU to the film continuity or anything like that. Not to mention there's plenty of Avengers references in Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
It's not just about knowing NY's skyline, it's just about being nerdy and hardcore and knowing these things. Hell, I wouldn't have even known about this if it weren't for the Hype. It's paying attention to the details.

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I hope they don't cut all ties with the tv shows but I wish they would can AOS, if we are all honest it's just not that good, I've tried so so hard to like it but I can't, the Netflix stuff however is pretty good and I hope we see some defenders popping up in Infinity War
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