The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - - - - - - - - Part 65

[Sharkboy]

I think people are underestimating how action packed TDKR will be, it's already guaranteed to make monster monster money on it's name alone, but I think it will make up for lack of joker with the war and destruction aspect (as opposed to the talky crime thriller one of the previous film)

EDIT: In terms of charm, it might just have to fall on Anne and her chemistry with Bale to give audiences that side in the film.

[Nevincer]

I think it's also going to have to make the audience care a lot about Bruce again. He was too aloof in TDK imo.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by Nevincer

I think it's also going to have to make the audience care a lot about Bruce again. He was too aloof in TDK imo.

Yep, gotta focus more on him this time. It's his journey after all.

[Sharkboy]

Yeh, but when it all comes down to it, people will see it simply because it's the sequel to the dark knight. I've always said that the best marketing for TDKR was TDK.

[Nevincer]

Originally Posted by Sharkboy

Yeh, but when it all comes down to it, people will see it simply because it's the sequel to the dark knight. I've always said that the best marketing for TDKR was TDK.

Yeah, it's true. I believe TDK played a massive role in Inception's success, so that goes double for TDKR.

[Dragon_316ca]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,3722926.story

Studios are traditionally coy about discussing movie budgets. So there is some dispute about which title cost the most. One person familiar with the "Dark Knight" budget but not authorized to speak publicly said the film cost between $250 million and $300 million. Another said it was closer to $225 million.

[Nevincer]

What was TDK's budget again for some context?

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nolan probably came in under budget again... thus the confusion about exact numbers.

[Kane52630]

Originally Posted by Nevincer

What was TDK's budget again for some context?

$185 million

Batman Begins costs $150 million.

[Nevincer]

Originally Posted by Kane52630

$185 million

Batman Begins costs $150 million.

Nice.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Originally Posted by nevincer

what was tdk's budget again for some context?

$185?

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by Kane52630

$185 million

Batman Begins costs $150 million.

Those are the officially reported numbers, but supposedly they went quite a bit under budget on both of them. Likewise with Inception.

[Avengers-Report]

TDKR uses a lot more stunts/props/scenery. I'm sure the bigger budgets is assessed to things like the fake snow, CGI for the Bat, and the much more lavish costumes we have been seeing.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by SoCalGaming

TDKR uses a lot more stunts/props/scenery. I'm sure the bigger budgets is assessed to things like the fake snow, CGI for the Bat, and the much more lavish costumes we have been seeing.

Plus Nolan's fee had to increase after TDK and Inception made so much for the studio. I wonder if Bale, Oldman, Caine, and Freeman are locked in for the same amount of money in their contracts they signed for three movies back in the day. If so, the studio is getting a bargain on them. Normally actor salaries for sequels go through the roof.

[NateHevens]

Warning: I'm quoting a lot here... because you guys move through these threads way too fast.

Don't you people have lives to live?

Originally Posted by Kane52630

When he says it's bringing it back to begins, he means it.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

(just on a trailer kick)

WHAT? What was that?!? I totally missed this teaser!

Was Bruce's dialogue in there shot strictly for this teaser, or is it a deleted scene from BB?

Originally Posted by Anjow1060

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

- Jow

This video ain't showin' up...

Originally Posted by Blue Sugar

Kubricks The Shining > The book

And there are more examples, I dislike the general thesis of books always being superior to movies, or adaptations in general being inferior to the source-material by default. Especially as a movie-buff this grinds my gears.

I dislike that thesis, as well. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but I feel like the Lord of the Rings movies are equal to the books. Not better (Fellowship of the Rings didn't have Tom Bombadil and Goldberry at all and I was very disappointed about that... yes, that was a pointless and cartoony scene... I still wanted to see it), but equal.

On the flip side, only the first Harry Potter movie was as good as the book. Compared to the books, the rest of the movies sucked, with Prisoner of Azkaban being the worst offender (the book was and is my favorite of the HP series... I hated 6 & 7, though).

I've read the Millennium Series books, but I've not seen the movies due to my inability to watch (or read) specific... erm... crimes... (I had to skip over that scene in the book). Sadly, I've not heard great things about the movies (both the Swedish ones and the US one).

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

There definitely are examples where I would say that book over film doesn't quite ring true. For me, I find a lot of times I don't think either one is better, just different.

For example, I saw Jurassic Park before I read the book, and I loved it. (well, I technically saw it when I was 4, and at that time it scared the holy hell out of me. But when I saw it at 8 I loved it). I read the book some years late and I didn't think it was better, just different. Very different. There were certain things I liked better from each version.

I've actually never read the Jurassic Park books. Adore the movies, though (yes... all of them).

The same thing with the Bourne movies. They're completely different from the books. They take the basic concept from the first novel and then go in a very different direction. And again, there are things I like from both versions.

I've got to see and read the Bourne series. Demonoid here I come!

In general, I try to separate the book nerd from the film nerd when I watch movies. I view it as a movie first, if it succeeds as a film, and I hold that separate from if I think it succeeds as an adaptation. And usually it doesn't spoil my enjoyment. Though sometimes it can. For example, I realize Spider-man 2 is a very good film. However, it just was not what I wanted to see in a Spider-man movie. So I enjoyed it, but I just wasn't very crazy about it. It's not anywhere close to my top 10 comic films because of that.

Not easy, though. I fall into the trap quite often, sadly...

I cannot agree about Spiderman 2. I truly, honestly thought that the entire trilogy sucked. 2 was the best of the 3 of them, but from my view, that is not saying much. I simply did not like Spiderman.

And it's not because I don't like light, campy superhero films. I thought Iron Man 1 was brilliant, and although I disliked Thor (I really did), I loved Captain America and I cannot wait to see Avengers.

I just didn't like Spiderman. So I'm hoping this reboot is able to portray the character well.

Originally Posted by DarkKnight15

When I saw it in 2002 I was really pumped for a new Batman movie... then they showed the last 5 seconds.....

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Yup. Epic trolling...

Originally Posted by BatSpider

My God what an awful letdown that mustve been in the theaters

You are not kidding. I will never forgive them for what they did to Freddie and Daphne. In fact, only Scooby and Shaggy were done well, and even then they weren't that good. Part of me is hoping that someone comes along and redoes the live-action Scooby Doo to fix it.

Originally Posted by Anjow1060

it's ok,

I've been watching this on repeat for the last 20 minutes because I love it so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw_CphigcOo

Easily my favorite Begins Trailer.

- Jow

This is the trailer that alerted me to the new Batman. And oh wow was I excited! I will never forget my reaction to seeing that trailer (): jaw hanging on the floor, eyes wide, drooling.

Originally Posted by Marvolo

Lmao I remember that trailer. I was a huge Scooby fan so I thought it was awesome. Definitely trolling at its best.

Agreed. Too bad both movies sucked big time.

Originally Posted by Kane52630

WOW! Great catch!

Originally Posted by Travesty

Hey. I don't know if you notice, but for me, all I see is the "look who's popular!" image...

Originally Posted by Sharkboy

Batman's death would have to be something similar to the t-800's thumbs up death in terms of badass but emotional ways to go out. That is the only way i could shed a tear during the film.

Agreed. Only way I'd accept it is if it's emotionally brilliant and it's made clear that there is simply no other way. I want a somewhat ambiguous ending where we see Batman die, but somehow as hint is dropped that Bruce Wayne is still alive at the very end, in classic Christopher Nolan style.

Originally Posted by Sharkboy

I think people are underestimating how action packed TDKR will be, it's already guaranteed to make monster monster money on it's name alone, but I think it will make up for lack of joker with the war and destruction aspect (as opposed to the talky crime thriller one of the previous film)

EDIT: In terms of charm, it might just have to fall on Anne and her chemistry with Bale to give audiences that side in the film.

Don't forget Marion/Talia...

Originally Posted by Nevincer

I think it's also going to have to make the audience care a lot about Bruce again. He was too aloof in TDK imo.

The aloofness in TDK was, IMO, on purpose. He was getting lost inside his monster. He was an emotional wreck. I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be aloof.

[Nevincer]

Originally Posted by NateHevens

The aloofness in TDK was, IMO, on purpose. He was getting lost inside his monster. He was an emotional wreck. I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be aloof.

I know that. What I'm saying is that didn't give the audience a very good reception to him, so going with something different in TDKR may be in their best interest.

[NateHevens]

Originally Posted by Nevincer

I know that. What I'm saying is that didn't give the audience a very good reception to him, so going with something different in TDKR may be in their best interest.

I guess I just feel like we weren't supposed to like Bruce in TDK because of where he was mentally. I feel like we were supposed to come out of TDK thinking that guy need help...

So I think the way we felt about Bruce after TDK was on purpose.

I agree, though, that TDKR should end up with us loving Bruce once more, being able to sympathize with him and feel his pain.

[Cassandra Cain]

I would've LOVED seeing that 1st teaser trailer of Begins in theaters (took me a while to really appreciate that movie). That was AWESOME. I suppose it didn't create enough hype...I don't remember seeing it either.

[craigdbfan]

Originally Posted by Kane52630

That's awesome.

[kvz5]

Originally Posted by redfirebird2008

Plus Nolan's fee had to increase after TDK and Inception made so much for the studio. I wonder if Bale, Oldman, Caine, and Freeman are locked in for the same amount of money in their contracts they signed for three movies back in the day. If so, the studio is getting a bargain on them. Normally actor salaries for sequels go through the roof.

I don't think they were locked since the reports of Bale's salary changed from BB (reportedly just under a million) to TDK (reportedly 8-10M + % in gross). It wouldn't surprise me if he got 15-20M for TDKR given how high his stock has risen since his BB days (that Oscar win definitely got him extra millions). I suspect Caine, Oldman and Freeman got more than Bale in BB but got less in TDK (and TDKR) but they most likely got significant bumps too.

[slimshady247]

Originally Posted by Kane52630

Full circle style, baby.

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by Cassandra Cain

I would've LOVED seeing that 1st teaser trailer of Begins in theaters (took me a while to really appreciate that movie). That was AWESOME. I suppose it didn't create enough hype...I don't remember seeing it either.

I went to the movie just for the BB teaser. I can't remember which movie it was for, though. Blade 3, maybe?

[slimshady247]

Batman Begins holds a special place in my heart for reinstating my love for Batman.

The teaser was very awesome. Didn't seem like a Batman film.

[Travesty]

It's the best teaser trailer I have ever seen. I know what it was going in, cause I followed that movie so closely, but my friends had no idea. The second he opened up the cabinet, and it was the cowl, my friends just looked at me with a "holy ****" expression. I love that goddamn teaser.

[slimshady247]

Yup. No amount of intense lines or Joker laughs can beat it.