Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XII

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Hitler was a known admirer of Stalin and his "methods". That method being what we now know as communism. Propaganda, state control, purging enemies, rounds ups, mass murder, etc. He and the other Nazis took a lot of pages from Stalin and the communists' books.

That's not Communism.

That's Stalinism, for lack of a better word.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

You're the one with your faith on your shirtsleeve. You even have the most insulting quote in the Bible in your sig. I've read about three posts of you saying the same thing.

So dial it back a bit. Christians are the biggest group in our country so stop with the "Poor us" crap.

I think you're pretty fringe if you think those two quotes are the most insulting of the Bible. I could understand the parroting of the claim of 'homophobia' or 'not being feminist enough' or whatever new age trend is popular being considered insulting...but asking one to get to know God is insulting?

I guess that shouldn't be surprising since the Bible mentions that constantly.

[Schlosser85]

Christ was a communist.

And the **** hits the fan in 3, 2, 1...

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

That doesn't make communism evil. That makes the people implementing it evil.


Christ was a communist.

really now? I take it you're not a Christian. its always the non-christians who make Christ into some socialist or communist.

Christ was not a communist...he was a spiritual leader.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

That's not Communism.

That's Stalinism, for lack of a better word.

So, Communism in Russia is Stalinism, Communism in China is Maoism... I'm starting to notice a trend here. It all starts with a red flag, a bunch of Marxist bull *** and ends in mass graves.

What's that saying about the duck?

[Schlosser85]

I think Socialist would be a better word, given that rejection of religion as the "opiate of the masses" was a major part of Marx's ideology and of Communists in general.

By modern standards, the argument could be made that some of what Christ stood for could be considered Socialist...

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

That doesn't make communism evil. That makes the people implementing it evil..

Communism is an evil system because its the blueprint or talking point to set-up evil. If your naive blueprint is always used to bring about authoritarianism, then the blueprint needs to be called out. Communism tries to enforce unrealistic agenda on corrupt, imperfect people and people's commitment to that fantasy leads to abuse.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

I think you're pretty fringe if you think those two quotes are the most insulting of the Bible. I could understand the parroting of the claim of 'homophobia' or 'not being feminist enough' or whatever new age trend is popular being considered insulting...but asking one to get to know God is insulting?

I guess that shouldn't be surprising since the Bible mentions that constantly.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So Gandhi is in Hell eh?

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

really now? I take it you're not a Christian. its always the non-christians who make Christ into some socialist or communist.

Christ was not a communist...he was a spiritual leader.

And he was a Communist.

Meek shall inherit the earth.
The poor shall have riches in heaven.
He shared equally with everyone.

Those are some of the Communist ideals

I'm not saying communism is bad. It's a rather noble idea. I just don't think it can function in today's world, nor is it necessary for it to exist. Nor have we seen it in practice (the Communist states of the 20th century and today were hardly actual Communist states)

[Thundercrack85]

Jesus Christ, at least as depicted in the Bible could reasonably be called a socialist.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Communism is an evil system because its the blueprint or talking point to set-up evil. If your naive blueprint is always used to bring about authoritarianism, then the blueprint needs to be called out.

How many times has Christianity or Islam been hijacked and used as a blueprint for terror?

[Thundercrack85]

I'm that crazy guy who thinks both communism and religion are bad ideas.

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

How many times has Christianity or Islam been hijacked and used as a blueprint for terror?

Just look at the Catholic church.

For all the good it's done, you get the wrong Pope in there dictating policy, and things can get really nasty.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

Just look at the Catholic church.

For all the good it's done, you get the wrong Pope in there dictating policy, and things can get really nasty.

You lost me there.

[Schlosser85]

Virtually 1/2 of all medical patients in the US are cared for by Catholic hospitals.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

You lost me there.

Art, music, architecture, and philanthropy all have prospered due to Catholicism and Christianity on the whole.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

And he was a Communist.

Meek shall inherit the earth.
The poor shall have riches in heaven.
He shared equally with everyone.

Those are some of the Communist ideals

I'm not saying communism is bad. It's a rather noble idea. I just don't think it can function in today's world, nor is it necessary for it to exist. Nor have we seen it in practice (the Communist states of the 20th century and today were hardly actual Communist states)

Jesus was talking about those who testified the gospel to the end would receive treasure in heaven. Communism is a political philosophy, don't confuse that with spiritual matters. Jesus wasn't a political leader and didn't give treasures or blessings to those who rejected Him (like Pharisees), so its not fair to say he "shared equally with everyone."

Its really disingenuous to say he was a communist.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

Art, music, architecture, and philanthropy all have prospered due to Catholicism and Christianity on the whole.

Oh there are so many people rolling in their graves right now... Entire civilizations.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Jesus Christ, at least as depicted in the Bible could reasonably be called a socialist.

Nope...when you have Jesus telling Pharisees to give to Ceaser what is due to Ceaser and give to God what is due to God...there is not way one could intellectually call him a socialist. I think its pretty insulting to insinuate modern day political terms to a spiritual leader who never ascribed those terms to himself.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Oh there are so many people rolling in their graves right now... Entire civilizations.

I didn't say they invented it but to ignore their contributions would be disingenuous.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Nope...when you have Jesus telling Pharisees to give to Ceaser what is due to Ceaser and give to God what is due to God...there is not way one could intellectually call him a socialist. I think its pretty insulting to insinuate modern day political terms to a spiritual leader who never ascribed those terms to himself.

Store up your treasures in Heaven?
Eye of a needle?
Give all your money to the poor?


Any of this ringing a bell?

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So Gandhi is in Hell eh?

Christians believe that no man can enter Heaven unless they thank God for the sacrifice he's made. Genuine Christians are required to be humble in accepting that they can't get into heaven by themselves...that it took divine intervention from God.

If someone wants to believe they can get to heaven without God, I would say that's pretty arrogant. I understand some will find that concept of humility and grace insulting.

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Christians believe that no man can enter Heaven unless they thank God for the sacrifice he's made. Genuine Christians are required to be humble in accepting that they can't get into heaven by themselves...that it took divine intervention from God.

If someone wants to believe they can get to heaven without God, I would say that's pretty arrogant. I understand some will find that concept of humility and grace insulting.

So you agree with me that it IS insulting.

[WildcatNC]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

communism is evil because it forces utopian ideals on a corrupt group of people...so when people try to implement it, they have to usurp power in an abusive and authoritarian manner. The corruption from trying to practice implementing it are inevitable. All the Marxist ideologues talk about the transition from market/class society to pure communism requiring some noble elite taking over and managing the transition.

How is that different from religion?

Again, communism was never actually adopted, it was just used as a buzz word.

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

You think religion is worse than communism? wow...you're far out there. these threads are becoming banal to read with all this constant christian-bashing.

Yep, far worse. Don't make it about you though, I think they are all a black eye for the human race, not just christianity.

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Hitler was a known admirer of Stalin and his "methods". That method being what we now know as communism. Propaganda, state control, purging enemies, rounds ups, mass murder, etc. He and the other Nazis took a lot of pages from Stalin and the communists' books.

None of that has ANYTHING to inherently do with communism. Read up on it a little. Communism has never actually been practiced outside of a hippie commune. The US government has done all that at some point, did that make us communist?

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

Store up your treasures in Heaven?
Eye of a needle?
Give all your money to the poor?


Any of this ringing a bell?

Its not a surprise that only people who are salivating at thought of calling Jesus a political leader are not Christians.

Jesus is talking about people's character and spiritual walk. Let Christ's character motivate the way you live. He wasn't talking about creating secular institutions to govern the lives of men.

Deep down, I think everybody in the thread understands this but are out trolling to advance a political agenda.