The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 73

[Greens]

Originally Posted by JStorm

Not necessarily. Of course, this is just my opinion, but when a person makes a great sacrifice - in my life, or close enough to me to learn - I hold that person in a much higher regard.

We're not speaking of The Batman of old, the comic-book-Batman, or even the previous movies. We are theorizing on Nolan's "real-world-Batman."

I can see your point, but it makes sense, it's logical, to assume that Nolan even - just once - thought on it.

I'd love to see the looks on everyone's faces when Bruce reveals himself. I get your points, but I think Batman still is some unknown figure to most people, instead of just a guy in a suit. No one gets to see Batman up close. The only cynicism that could slip through is via GCN. ''Guy in a suit breaking the law'' kind of stuff.

[Nevincer]

Originally Posted by Greens

Hey, ''the legend ends'' = Batman reveals his identity

Also Bane is Ra's and Darth Vader is Alfred.

The first notion is nowhere near the absurdity of the second or third. In fact, evidentially from what we know about this film it's extremely likely.

[craigdbfan]

Originally Posted by JStorm

Even without the class warfare idea, Bane - in the comics - didn't want to ruin Batman in that way either.

Come to think of it, I think he's reasoning was on par with your theory - he knew if Gotham knew that their favorite, and richest son, was protecting them with his life, Gotham would rise.

Another point with that, I could - I'm saying COULD, mind you - see Nolan's version of Batman outing himself so Gotham will rise with him and take back their city.

Definitely a possibility.

Originally Posted by kvz5

Regardless of where he was imprisoned, he definitely was able to get back to his supplies since he got his Batsuit and The Bat back.

Just judging by the Bruce/Bane scene, I'm guessing they took his Batsuit and changed his clothes?! Awkward.

[Daft_P]

Originally Posted by dark_b

in the new trailer it looks like Bruce wakes up in the Bane prison in a similar way like in Batman Begins. and we know that he had a nightmare in BB.

i think Liam Neeson filmed a nighmare scene with Bruce Wayne. so Bane beats up Batman and he is unconscious . then they show Bane's men and Bruce outside the pit(greenscreen pit in india). and then we jump to the nightmare. the nightmare ends with Bruce waking up in prison and Bane is looking him. you see that they used a defocus effect on Bane's face when Bruce wakes up.

i think Neeson's cameo will fit as a nightmare. its again similar to BB like the whole movie.

A dream cameo for Neeson is possible, however my impression is that Bruce is waking up because Bane is torturing him or at least beacuse of pain.

[Cory]

i wouldnt mind a mask-less batman fighting bane

[JStorm]

Originally Posted by Greens

I'd love to see the looks on everyone's faces when Bruce reveals himself. I get your points, but I think Batman still is some unknown figure to most people, instead of just a guy in a suit. No one gets to see Batman up close. The only cynicism that could slip through is via GCN. ''Guy in a suit breaking the law'' kind of stuff.

That's a good counter point to my argument, within the Nolanverse. If I'm to assume that Bruce would out himself for the city to rise, I would also have to assume that even the people that secretly want him to fight back for the city would have to adhere to certain laws.

In other words, I would have to assume that ONE radical would still want Bruce to pay for his crimes and vigilante. Sure there are pardons, and it's safe to assume that the Mayor would really appreciate getting his city back. But with that, again, all it would take is one radical.

Forgetting his taking the crimes of Dent, I'd like to research the laws, statue of limitations of vigilantism.

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by Greens

I'd love to see the looks on everyone's faces when Bruce reveals himself. I get your points, but I think Batman still is some unknown figure to most people, instead of just a guy in a suit. No one gets to see Batman up close. The only cynicism that could slip through is via GCN. ''Guy in a suit breaking the law'' kind of stuff.

TDK already humanized him, to a pretty large degree. The mobs know he's a real guy. They know he only comes out at night and that he won't kill. The general population would know of the first, but perhaps not the second if they aren't familiar with Batman's MO.

The fact that Batman actually takes the rap for 5 murders at the end would cement his "realness" to the general public, if they didn't believe in him already.

BB was putting Batman in legendary symbol status, but if he does the Batman schtick pretty regularly, people are going to catch on that he's just some dude (TDK). It could be TDKR where he realizes embracing the humanity of the Batman symbol is the only way to take the city back, because people need actual role models to believe in and emulate.

[Nevincer]

Originally Posted by Ra's Al Joke

Iron Man already outed himself. If that's the direction this goes in, its gonna be a let down.

So because Iron Man did it, Batman can't? That's like saying Bruce doubting himself and looking for an out in TDK was bad because they played that angle with Peter Parker in Spider-Man 2. And besides, the ramifications of this happening to the Nolanverse Batman are insanely higher and meaningful.

[Thatsabingo!]

What do you think about the odds of the wrong batman getting killed/broken? I know its slim, and i'm not even sure how I feel about it, but what if someone else gets in the suit (blake) and has a run in with Bane. Similar to Brad Pitt's characters cousin in the movie Troy. Everyone involved in the situation thinks that its the real Bats, but its not. idk. Bored at work. Speculating.

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by Ra's Al Joke

Iron Man already outed himself. If that's the direction this goes in, its gonna be a let down.

If he outs himself, retires or dies, it'll be a HUGE let down for me.

But it has nothing to do with Iron Man, just personal preference.

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by JStorm

That's a good counter point to my argument, within the Nolanverse. If I'm to assume that Bruce would out himself for the city to rise, I would also have to assume that even the people that secretly want him to fight back for the city would have to adhere to certain laws.

In other words, I would have to assume that ONE radical would still want Bruce to pay for his crimes and vigilante. Sure there are pardons, and it's safe to assume that the Mayor would really appreciate getting his city back. But with that, again, all it would take is one radical.

Forgetting his taking the crimes of Dent, I'd like to research the laws, statue of limitations of vigilantism.

Recently, there was the issue of Haley Barbour's pardons in Mississippi. The governor stood his ground and didn't relent. It took a MAJOR public outcry for a judge to put some of the pardons on hold. Like, pretty much everyone went, "WTF dude!"

If Batman really does save the city entire (again), I don't think there would be a whole lot of public outcry if he was pardoned.

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by Ra's Al Joke

Iron Man already outed himself. If that's the direction this goes in, its gonna be a let down.

But that didn't really have any consequences on the outcome of the movie itself, or how people treated Iron Man.

It would definitely work in TDKR if they approached it as a very important thematic element.

[Nevincer]

Originally Posted by Anita18

But that didn't really have any consequences on the outcome of the movie itself, or how people treated Iron Man.

It would definitely work in TDKR if they approached it as a very important thematic element.

[Sharkboy]

Obviously if Batman outs himself, it's for a reason, not some shock tactic or display of arrogance. It's a decision that serves as a climax for not just the one film but the entire series and it's themes. It's so much more than some shocking change from the source material, it's a logical end to the cinematic character that Nolan has crafted.

[Blue Sugar]

Originally Posted by Travesty

If he outs himself, retires or dies, it'll be a HUGE let down for me.

But it has nothing to do with Iron Man, just personal preference.

Oh dear, it's probably not gonna end well for you.

[Blue Sugar]

I love the "someone has done it before now it can never be done again" attitude.

[BuddhaWasABat]

Originally Posted by Anita18

But that didn't really have any consequences on the outcome of the movie itself, or how people treated Iron Man.

It would definitely work in TDKR if they approached it as a very important thematic element.

Right on man.

[NateHevens]

I don't think he will out himself. I think he will be outed against his will, but it will end up working to his advantage.

Either way, though, I could not disagree more with you, Travesty. I think it will be amazing if he's outed, because I can't think of a more dramatic way for Gotham to wake up and realize what Bruce was trying to tell them with Batman all along.

"Holy crap. Batman's just a guy. He's just one of us. We can do this!"

I think it would be a powerful, amazing moment.



Also, I just spent 20 minutes on a really long post for part 72, and you all go and move to part 73. Thanks everyone.

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by BuddhaWasABat

Right on woman.

*Fixed.

[BuddhaWasABat]

Originally Posted by Travesty

*Fixed.

Oh, really? Sorry. I'm still fairly new here...

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by NateHevens

"Holy crap. Batman's just a guy. He's just one of us. We can do this!"

I think it would be a powerful, amazing moment.

Yes, cause when I think of "one of us", I picture a billionaire.

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by BuddhaWasABat

Oh, really? Sorry. I'm still fairly new here...

Hehe, it's all good. Now, if you were talking to her in person, that would be another thing entirely.

[MagnarTheGreat]

My name is Bruce Wayne,
Commander of the Armies of the North,
General of the Felix Legions,
loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius,
father to a murdered son,
husband to a murdered wife,
and I will have my vengeance -- in this life or the next.

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by Travesty

*Fixed.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by BuddhaWasABat

Oh, really? Sorry. I'm still fairly new here...

Is "Anita" a male name where you are?

But don't worry, it's happened more than once! I'm still confused as to how...

[Fullmetal]

Originally Posted by Daft_P

A dream cameo for Neeson is possible, however my impression is that Bruce is waking up because Bane is torturing him or at least beacuse of pain.

That's going to hard to watch for everyone in the theater, especially when hes getting beaten by Bane to a bloody pulp... Evil act of brutality on a hero is a going to make the audience cry and horrified. I know I will... no one likes seeing someone who's done so much getting beat in every inch of life for the sake of others. It's going leave an emotional impact on the audience.