Avengers Assembled: News and Speculation - Part 67

[BigThor]

Now I do agree that Loki was knocked around a bit too much throughout the film, I mean he IS the main villain after all.

Nothing major though, it definately didn't ruin the character for me or anything.

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Sure he is. But by the black widow, a mortal? Loki is the god of deception and mischief. He shouldn't be getting outsmarted by her. And sure it was, he ripped into her, fell for her act, and then saying "you are here for hulk, thanks for cooperating", the look on his face after that "wh'whaat"

Idk. and when did he get a chance to fight all the avengers united?

and so what if hawkeye is useless against Loki. Do they all have to be able to beat him? No, they are team, they have different rolls.

No, it doesn't. If Loki can't be outsmarted by 'mere mortals' then he's arguably too omniscient. You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree here.

I didn't mean they all piled on at the end, I meant they united as a team. They didn't all fight him at once, but they did change from one member to the other (more or less) when fighting him.

That might please Loki fanboys, but it makes Hawkeye look like he's not needed to everyone else. Sure everyone has their place, but that place shouldn't be sitting on the sidelines while the big boys play.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Some say Thor was "hurt" after he was stabbed by Loki, but evidently it didn't hurt him enough to stop him from kicking Loki's ass.

Exactly, it may have hurt like, getting a shot, or cutting yourself, but he never has shown any signs of being in real pain, where he was "defeated" or needed aid, or a plot device to regain composure.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Exactly, it may have hurt like, getting a shot, or cutting yourself, but he never has shown any signs of being in real pain, where he was "defeated" or needed aid, or a plot device to regain composure.

Agreed, it's also worth noting that he wasn't hit by a single attack from the Chitauri.

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Exactly, it may have hurt like, getting a shot, or cutting yourself, but he never has shown any signs of being in real pain, where he was "defeated" or needed aid, or a plot device to regain composure.

Stark's drinks cabinet is a plot device? j/k

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Stark's drinks cabinet is a plot device? j/k

He was talking about Thor in that post not Loki.

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by BigThor

He was talking about Thor in that post not Loki.

I know, I'm just applying it to Loki for the purpose of the joke.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

No, it isn't. If Loki can't be outsmarted by 'mere mortal' then he's arguably too omniscient. You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree here.

I didn't mean they all piled on at the end, I meant they united as a team. They didn't all fight him at once, but they did change from one member to the other (more or less) when fighting him.

That might please Loki fanboys, but it makes Hawkeye look like he's not needed to everyone else. Sure everyone has their place, but that place shouldn't be sitting on the sidelines while the big boys play.

I am NOT a Loki fanboy. By any means. This is just simply my opinion. But when it came to it, Loki was ONLY outsmarted by Widow. Thats it. He didn't outsmart her, or anyone. If it is only one time when its witts against witts in the movie, then yes, Loki should NOT be outsmarted by Widow. thats not being omniscient at all. If he went around outwitting everyone in the movie, yes. BUT that was the only time it came to wits vs wits, and he was outsmarted. Get what I mean?

And it doesn't mean hawkeye is not needed. There were plenty of things that hawkeye did that benefited the team. Clearly. If that scene never happened, it wouldn't have stopped me from thinking Hawkeye was the most badass one out of the 6. (in all honesty, I think he was) The no look shot was ****ing badass. But Loki catches the arrow, throws it away. Thats that. That doesn't render Hawkeye useless by any means. It just so happens that Loki was able to catch his arrow, and in that specific scenario, it was a useless attack. Thats all.

But still, its one minor minor flaw, that IS, my opinion. And it doesn't take away from the movie, seeing as it was an origin story. But I agree, we will have to agree to disagree on it. So you have your opinion, I have mine, I am willing to drop this topic, if everyone else is.


Doesn't change that fact that I think this was the best CBM ever made.

New topic.

SO with the mother ship being blown up, and all the Chitauri just dropping, is it safe to assume, that they were running somewhat mechanically?

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by bigthor

agreed, it's also worth noting that he wasn't hit by a single attack from the chitauri.

boss

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

I know, I'm just applying it to Loki for the purpose of the joke.

Ah, sometimes it's hard to tell where someone is going with a joke on the internet.

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

SO with the mother ship being blown up, and all the Chitauri just dropping, is it safe to assume, that they were running somewhat mechanically?

Yeah, there's some key evidence pointing to them being cybernetic.

Originally Posted by BigThor

Ah, sometimes it's hard to tell where someone is going with a joke on the internet.

Yeah, I know. That's why I put the and j/k. Still that doesn't guarantee it seeming mis-aimed.

[thalidomide]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

New topic.

SO with the mother ship being blown up, and all the Chitauri just dropping, is it safe to assume, that they were running somewhat mechanically?

Have you ever played Starcraft? Think of it as a Hive, when there is no one controlling them they will either run amok or die. I don't think they're mechanical though. I could be wrong

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Ah, sometimes it's hard to tell where someone is going with a joke on the internet.

OHH comeon big Thor, he said j/k :P

in case you aren't "hip" with internet lingo, that means just kidding

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

OHH comeon big Thor, he said j/k :P

in case you aren't "hip" with internet lingo, that means just kidding

I'm very hip, I knew he was kidding I just didn't know why he was saying "Loki" instead of Thor.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Yeah, there's some key evidence pointing to them being cybernetic.



Yeah, I know. That's why I put the and j/k. Still that doesn't guarantee it seeming mis-aimed.

there is? what else is there?

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

there is? what else is there?

How they 'jack in' to their sky sled things, the Leviathans as creature carrier ships, big ol' space ship in the sky (well, space really, but you get the idea). You could also argue that they have some cybernetic looking features on their bodies (and possibly their arm laser cannons).

[LuisTX85]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

I wasn't talking about the Hulk part. That part was totally justified, coulda done without it, but it was still justified. I just felt like everytime he did something menacing, it was thrown away by something funny, Loki's disgusting rant into Black Widow, only leading him to look like a fool, Loki..getting out smarted by black widow...ehh....getting beat by Ironman on the tower, knocked away easily, Him catching hawkeye's arrow was badass, it was intimidating, but then it blows up in his face, knocking him off, creating laughter from the audience. I feel like he was at the mercy of the need for laughter, and a little to much so, thus taking away the quality of his villian.


That is the best way I can put it.

Eh that kind of stuff happens to him in the comics all the time,I see no big deal nor effecting him as a villain when he was overall still a threat!!

[Lady Marion]

Originally Posted by Silvermoon

Well, I'm at the theater for my 2nd round (this time in 2D) majority of audience seems to be more around my age (college age), few smaller children but no toddlers so far *keeping my fingers crossed* it's definitely packed though

Question btw: Is it allowed in the US to take small children to such a movie?

Excuse me the interuption of your talk.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Lady Marion

Question btw: Is it allowed in the US to take small children to such a movie?

Excuse me the interuption of your talk.

As long as they're with a 21-year-old, you can take them to any movie that isn't NC-17.

[Lady Marion]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

As long as they're with a 21-year-old, you can take them to any movie that isn't NC-17.

Thanks for the info. That's liberal, but I don't think it's good to take small kids to a loud and exiting movie, when they could get frightened. Only my opinion.

Back to topic an thanks a lot.

[jaymes_e06]

Just got back from seeing it and must say that I've never come home from watching a superhero film feeling so satisfied with the way each character is treated from comic to screen. Was there a couple flaws? Yeah. Like how Loki was a little to much of a punching bag a couple scenes but I also think that that lends to the aragance of him trying to take over the planet to begin with, as Tony tried to explain to him, he can't win even if he suceeded. The heroes of the world would have eventually taken him down one way or another.

For the most part however it was infact the best superhero film ever because it's not trying to be anything it isn't and that's so refreshing to see in this oversaturation of trying to make things darker and more realitstic this movies greatest attribute is its grandure. It doesn't apologize for being a comic book based and that is what I LOVED about this film. It easily became one of my top 5 faves of all time movies.

[SimiOfDoom]

Originally Posted by Lady Marion

Thanks for the info. That's liberal, but I don't think it's good to take small kids to a loud and exiting movie, when they could get frightened. Only my opinion.

Back to topic an thanks a lot.

That might not even be the biggest problem. When I saw it last saturday there was a boy with his parents and I guess he was 6 to 8 years old, somewhere along the 1 hour mark he started to lose concentration and was restless, even running around a bit.

[Quasimod0]

Did anyone else notice that when thor is fighting on top of one of the alien chariot things, he gets taken down by that huge leviathan? I mean, if he survived that thing crashing into him, he's one tough son of a gun! Thor was amazing in this film. Loved when he fried those aliens before he landed in the city.

[Lady Marion]

Originally Posted by SimiOfDoom

That might not even be the biggest problem. When I saw it last saturday there was a boy with his parents and I guess he was 6 to 8 years old, somewhere along the 1 hour mark he started to lose concentration and was restless, even running around a bit.

That is annoying for the rest of the audience, yes. That's why I watch a movie first alone before I take my 10 year old son to the theater.

And btw he loves TA!

[Superhero 101]

Just got back amazing film! Easily one of my top 10 movies. 10/10!!! Post a more detail review of what I thought later my mind still needs to cool off from the awesomeness I have just witnessed.