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Old 05-07-2012, 08:33 AM   #126
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I was watching TIH last night and there is a scene where Blonsky faces Hulk after he takes the super soldier serum. Blonsky could run like a mutha, so I would imagine Cap could do the same. Shouldn't have taken him too long to get there if he did land a good distance away from them.

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Here's a question. During the IM/ Thor fight, how come Loki didn't escape? He just stayed where Thor left him. The only explanation I can think of for that is that he wanted to be captured, but at least he shouldn't have made it so obvious then by just waiting patiently where he was.
Maybe. But it seemed like he was enjoying the show.

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I didn't like how Hulk took out the first flying serpent ship with just 1 punch. Hulk didn't have the momentum or weight to be able to stop it in it's tracks like that. It also diminished the overall most dangerous threat in a matter of seconds.
Who cares? It was awesome. Bringing real world physics into play is silly.

And those dragon things weren't that much of a threat, they had no offensive capabilities. They were mainly just transports that took out buildings.

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Old 05-07-2012, 08:59 AM   #128
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And those dragon things weren't that much of a threat, they had no offensive capabilities.
Exactly, they were completely non-threatening. You would expect them to be threatening and the trailers made it look as if it would require the combined efforts of the team to take down. Not so. Just a hard punch and some lightening - easy as pie. Huge stakes there.

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Old 05-07-2012, 09:07 AM   #129
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That's just incredible nit picking looooool. Stuff like that is not even worth thinking about.
I know man .... too bad for them ya know?

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Old 05-07-2012, 09:09 AM   #130
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it makes more sense that he'd be able to convince All-Father Odin to use his energy and get him there.
What the hell is going on with Mjolnir????? Why is it's ability to take Thor just about anywhere is not present????

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Old 05-07-2012, 09:09 AM   #131
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Here's a question. During the IM/ Thor fight, how come Loki didn't escape? He just stayed where Thor left him. The only explanation I can think of for that is that he wanted to be captured, but at least he shouldn't have made it so obvious then by just waiting patiently where he was.
Wasn't it obvious he wanted to be captured? I think they made that abundantly clear when he backed down from IM/Cap and furthermore when Fury states that it seemed like Loki was the only person who wanted to be on the Helicarrier.

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What the hell is going on with Mjolnir????? Why is it's ability to take Thor just about anywhere is not present????
They have not established that in the MCU ..... that is strictly a trait in the comics right now.

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Old 05-07-2012, 09:17 AM   #133
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U know guys its been real! I'm done posting on this topic. The movie was awesome in my opinion and the more I Read and begin to pile more and more nitpicks on its just gonna take away from the film for me in future viewings. No movie in history will ever be a 100% perfect and not is everyone gonna like it. Great debates though and most of the complaints have merit.

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Old 05-07-2012, 10:01 AM   #134
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The ONLY complaint I have about this movie is one that I haven't seen or heard anyone else but me noticing....

Nobody said "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE" throughout the entire movie!

I felt like they were building to it when they all gathered for the first time in that circle in the final battle scene....but NOPE!

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not really a complaint, more like confusion. the bit where thor reatches for his hammer and then pauses and holds his wrist. well, that was...odd.

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not really a complaint, more like confusion. the bit where thor reatches for his hammer and then pauses and holds his wrist. well, that was...odd.
Confused?

Not I ..... seemed pretty clear it was a dig deep, gut check kind of moment.

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Old 05-07-2012, 10:18 AM   #137
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Confused?

Not I ..... seemed pretty clear it was a dig deep, gut check kind of moment.

nope, confusing. at first I thought he was unsure if he could pick up the hammer. definately going to listen to the commentary on that one

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nope, confusing. at first I thought he was unsure if he could pick up the hammer. definately going to listen to the commentary on that one
Listen .... the guy just fell 30,000 feet in a cage, he went a few heavyweight rounds with a powerful green beast, he was fooled by his brother causing Colson's death, and he was in a heated argument with all of the Avengers where he's blamed by Nick Fury for being responsible for all that's transpired moments before the bedlam breaks loose. You don't think that all of of that is going to make someone pause and go "Ok, is this worth all this? Should I really pick the hammer back up and continue fighting?"

I dunno man .... some of you need too much explained to you. Whedon did a masterful job letting the movie speak for itself in many respects.


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Old 05-07-2012, 10:24 AM   #139
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I got the same impression as Rock. That was a great introspective moment Thor had.

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Old 05-07-2012, 10:31 AM   #140
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it's not a matter of having things 'spelled out', I saw a whole movie which explored a person's worthiness with regards to lifting the hammer so I assumed thor pausing had something to do with that, there is no need to be condeceeding.

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The movie was riddled with too many comic relief moments that made me forget all about the tragic concepts of all these heroes even having to be heroes. I don't recall a heart wrenching moment once.
I didn't forget the tragic concepts because of the comedy, but that took me miles out of the movie as I was reminded this was just an entertainment.

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Captain America had lost an entire lifetime of loved ones, friends, family etc, and it had a split second of that. Instead of all the black widow **** and Hawkeye they should have concentrated more on the dark themes to balance the movie and not just make it practically a comedy. Almost EVERY action scene was accompanied by comedy. It felt like Raimi's spiderman that was a comedy with superhero attributes. Thing I like about Wachmen and TDK is that they were dramatic films with comic relief here and there, where as the Marvel line up are comedies with sentiments of the comics.
Comedy turns a bad thing when they feel they need to shove it in every scene or you could be - the horror - losing people's interest.

And much like you, I've also found that in many superhero movies such as Raimi's Spider-man films. The man couldn't do anything without trying to be funny. Sad thing, Raimi didn't have much taste for comedy.

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I loved ruffalo as Hulk and knew I would. my favorite yet as he was more similar to eric banner's portrayal than Ed Norton's which I just didn't like. Thor/Hulk battle was interesting and one of the best.
Ruffalo was simply magnificent.

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Also I had a beef with the finale as in it reminded me too much of Transformers 3 plot with the whole portal of aliens coming into the world and the villains having a HUGE snake conquered by the flying here (optimus/Ironman) and the ground action team (Captain America/Bumble bee) and they had to shut down the portal door to save the day.
It looked like TF3 but, hey, it was so much better.




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Thor just being able to come and go out of Asgard back to earth kind undoes the ending of his movie, or at least confirms my dislike for the ending.
Yeah, I mentioned this. The whole ending of "Thor" was just erased in a blink.

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Instead of stranding him in Asgard sad because he can't be with the woman he's known for a week, they should have had him get stranded on Earth, separated from his home and throne.
Ah yes. Truth is I can't even start to think why on Earth and Asgard could Thor be so in love with this shallow little girl he knew for... 3 days.



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My problem with it is why do they need Coulson's death to finally realize they can be a team. They showed during the Helicarrier strike that they definitely can full function as a team not counting the Hulk. Loki is about to unleash an army on the world, they know he is going to do this but yet it takes Agent Coulson's death to inspire them. Really?
I think these superheroes had serious ego problems, and that's what made the movie progress for the first half of it. They needed someone else's heroic death to put them in line. Immature, I know, but it was the whole idea.




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I think posters like yourself are forgetting they're saving some of that material for the solo films.
Not only I don't know but I don't care if they're saving stuff or not. I do know that Capt. America seemed to forget all about it pretty quickly and that's what separates character-driven from action-driven movies.

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We got the glimpse of how he felt about Peggy when he's in the middle of punching the punching bag and he's having flash backs. That's more than enough for this film.
I don't think one punching session is enough to forget all that you have missed.




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One other criticism, I wish they included Natalie Portman and figured out a better way to bring Thor back to Earth. The ending of Thor made such a big deal about the gate being destroyed and Jane working to reopen it...the way Odin just created a new gate a few months later (and that it is only even addressed with a quick throw away line) cheapens the ending of Thor. Thor's sacrifice is what made the ending powerful. He gave up what he wanted (to return to Jane), to protect a race that hated him. He had evolved from a vain child to a true king who put others' needs ahead of his own. It should've been harder to overcome that sacrifice and Jane should've played a role in it, IMO.
As much as I agree with you about Thor being suddenly able to come back to Earth, the least thing I want to see ever again is Jane.




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Guys, this whole thing about how Cap got to Iron Man and Thor....

Deus ex machina.

Also, would this be a debate if it had happened on the pages of a comic, or just in the movie?
I think movies only. Certain things work in comics but not in movies. I quoted Stan Lee on that in my sig.

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it's not a matter of having things 'spelled out', I saw a whole movie which explored a person's worthiness with regards to lifting the hammer so I assumed thor pausing had something to do with that, there is no need to be condeceeding.
That was Thor ..... this is The Avengers. Thor's worthiness was not at stake in this film.

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Nitpicking i sometimes a very special way to show that you really like a film...

Don't get fooled by my nitpicking. I rate Avengers 9/10.

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Not only I don't know but I don't care if they're saving stuff or not. I do know that Capt. America seemed to forget all about it pretty quickly and that's what separates character-driven from action-driven movies.
This movie is FAR from being strictly action. There were character moments abound as they interacted with each other.

You and I saw two completely different movies.

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This movie is FAR from being strictly action.

You and I saw two completely different movies.
Totally, it's better than those CGI-filled movies out there. But it skipped many things in order to get to the action. Which was a netural problem, having like 10 stories to follow. That's the problem with putting so many important characters together.

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Did not like the opening scene of the movie. Honestly lost interest as soon as Loki and the Skeletor type guy started jibber jabbering. Thankfully the rest of the movie kicked ass. Hulk was amazing and the banter between the main characters was great.

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it's never great to open a movie with exposition but it's over in a flash so 'meh'

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Totally, it's better than those CGI-filled movies out there. But it skipped many things in order to get to the action. Which was a netural problem, having like 10 stories to follow. That's the problem with putting so many important characters together.
I'll agree it's definitely a little more complex and you risk making the movie "bloated and indulgent" like Morningstar said in one of his responses.

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The ONLY complaint I have about this movie is one that I haven't seen or heard anyone else but me noticing....

Nobody said "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE" throughout the entire movie!

I felt like they were building to it when they all gathered for the first time in that circle in the final battle scene....but NOPE!
Better to save it for part two. The great thing about this movie is how organically everybody wound up together, there was no cliche 'hey guys let's stop fighting and be a team!' moment. At no point did they collectively think of themselves as The Avengers, once they're back at it again the call will make more sense.

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Personally, I wasn't a big fan of The Avengers suddenly banding together over one death like that, and found it more than a little forced. I'd have much preferred to see them, as a team, put aside their differences, through some kind of discussion overwhat was going on, not having to be told what to do. Or, you know, someone could have led them to that realization. Perhaps someone who would emerge as their leader.

And let's be honest...did anyone really believe that bickering was going to prevent them from trying to save the world?

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