The Ultimate Spider-Man Animated Series Discussion Thread

[bigdaddy313]

Why is nobody talking about the new episode that is free on Itunes?

[Picard Sisko]

I haven't even watched it yet.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by bigdaddy313

Why is nobody talking about the new episode that is free on Itunes?

I did

[bigdaddy313]

A interview with Man of Action about Season 2

http://www.**************.com/fansit.../news/?a=72845

I don't know whats up with this site but the missing link is comic book movie with no space

[The Squirrel]

Oh yeah. Looks like the censor for CBM still exists on this site.

[Spider-Aziz]

Don't see why they censor CBM

[Sebastos]

The team is going to live with Peter and Aunt May now? Ok.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by Sebastos

The team is going to live with Peter and Aunt May now? Ok.

This could be the best thing about the show
I don't see wrong in them sharing place with Peter and his aunt, I like Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends, and this part could be the best thing this show has to offer

[Mr. Dent]

I have a feeling season 2 will be more ass than season 1.

[Spider-Aziz]

That's my first impression, and I liked season 1

[shinlyle]

Okay, I finally got around to watching some of this show (thank you Netflix).

Wow. This is BAD.

I have 3 people in my house who watch television, myself (King Comic-Nerd), my wife (Reluctant wife of a comic book-nerd), and my daughter (Child) age4.

I can give you all three opinions on this show:

ME: I loved SSM, which biased me against the show from the get-go. Still, I watched it intently hoping for the best. Liked the animation a LOT. Very fluid, nice character design, not as stylized or "cool" as Spectacular, but maybe more consistent. That's about all the positive I have for it. I made it through the Venom episode before I called it quits. This feels like a "Ben 10" or something. Spider-Man's constant breaking of the fourth wall to explain things as opposed to them actually writing a story in which things are explained, well it's annoying. When Venom came out of the toilet, I was beyond ready to go.

My wife: She LOVED the animation. Said it was far better than SSM. She loved the look and the feel...but hated everything else. She asked me by episode 2 "Why does he have to talk to the camera every 10 seconds?! Do they think people are that stupid"? She left the room at that point. I haven't seen her since! (Kidding...she came back....eventually)

My daughter: Now, Gwen is the key demographic: A child. She should love this! She should be crazy about this show! She didn't like it. She loves SSM, but has also enjoyed the 90s show, Spider-friends, and every other incarnation she has seen. By the third episode, I asked her if she liked it. She told me she would rather watch the Spider-man and Gwen show (SSM), or the one with Firestar(Spider-Friends), or the one where Peter and Mary Jane got married (90s). She said she didn't like this one. I asked why, and she said she just didn't like it.

Now, I'm not going to start knocking this show to those who love it, you are welcome to love it! Me...I'll wait until its inevitable cancellation after season 2 (Marvel's SOP), and then hope the next bout works out better for the wall crawler.

[Spider-Aziz]

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I liked season 1 on first view, but the more I watch it the more you deserve the : for your view of this nonsense

[Spidey_62]

I'm thinking of watching a few episodes of Spectacular Spider-Man on Monday again to ring in the season 2 premiere of Ultimate Spider-Man and get good and depressed knowing that show's getting 52 episodes just like that.

[Spider-Aziz]

I demand to see the rest of TSSM greenlit after Weisman and crew are done with their current precious Young Justice

[zeptron]

Jeph Loeb on the future of Marvel animation

http://www.comicbooktherapy.com/jeph...projects-66216

The writer says that EMH relied on “comic book lore and mythos” but Assemble will push into the movie genre style of storytelling. It will be one and done stories that keep the show moving forward.

Loeb stated that research showed people are more committed to the so-called “one and done” stories compared to the long seralized stories that rely on season long arcs and multi-part episodes. He said that any story that starts with “Previously On” already alienates a large portion of your audience. Besides the research, the network said that shorter self-contained stories work better.

He must really think that all kids have ADD.

[Mr. Dent]

That just proves Marvel Animation is letting marketing dictate their shows rather than letting the creative teams have free reign at them. I don't like how Loeb is running Marvel Television and I really hope that mentality doesn't bleed into SHIELD.

[Spidey_62]

Urgh... That's all I got. I hope it won't be too many years before we see a good Marvel cartoon again.

[Drakepool]

Sadly, as long as Loeb and Quesada are in charge, I don't think that's gonna happen.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by zeptron

Jeph Loeb on the future of Marvel animation

http://www.comicbooktherapy.com/jeph...projects-66216

I think he's thinking more about Batman:TAS style, problem is, they don't do it properly

He must really think that all kids have ADD.

Let's say he has a different view on the market, not completely wrong

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by Drakepool

Sadly, as long as Loeb and Quesada are in charge, I don't think that's gonna happen.

I know they're both smart but it seems to me that they're putting studies and statics above creative value too often. Quesada did it with Spider-Man in the comics and now they're taking that mentality to television. I understand that these studies do have merit, but there are ways to pull off good, smart cartoons while adhering to market studies and they just don't seem to be able to do it.

Originally Posted by Spider-Aziz

I think he's thinking more about Batman:TAS style, problem is, they don't do it properly
Let's say he has a different view on the market, not completely wrong

I think Batman: TAS is the furthest thing from his mind. Yes, they were largely one-shot episodes but they have an artistic value that USM doesn't even begin to touch. Look at TSSM, that had one-shot episodes while also still feeding into a bigger plot. It was brilliantly done. Damn Loeb, I want to like you but everything you say just makes me doubt you more.

[GoldGoblin]

Just saw the Lizard episode.I give it a 1/10.Everything about this episode is terrible,from the Lizard's design,to the story.

[zeptron]

The thing about Batman TAS is that while it had one shot episodes, it was ground breaking because of the atmosphere and the level of quality. There's a difference between being for kids, and being overly childish, simplistic, full of dumb comedy, and basically written for 4 year olds exclusively.

Most 90s Disney shows were episodic, however there's Gargoyles. That show had TONS of continuity. Each episode of the second started out with a "Previously on" which showed clips from past episodes that led up to events that were about to happen in the episode that was about to air.

For instance, in one episode Owen mentions the Emir to Xanatos. When people first see that episode, they probably didn't think too much of that line. However later on the Emir appears in the Avalon Tour Egypt episode.

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

I think Batman: TAS is the furthest thing from his mind. Yes, they were largely one-shot episodes but they have an artistic value that USM doesn't even begin to touch. Look at TSSM, that had one-shot episodes while also still feeding into a bigger plot. It was brilliantly done. Damn Loeb, I want to like you but everything you say just makes me doubt you more.

I don't think Specatacular actually had any one shot episodes as every episode was part of an arc and somehow connected to another episode. In the middle of the first season it began a mystery and it wasn't resolved until the end of the second season.

[Shikamaru]

Originally Posted by zeptron

Jeph Loeb on the future of Marvel animation

http://www.comicbooktherapy.com/jeph...projects-66216



He must really think that all kids have ADD.

It is official then. Marvel sucks in the animation department more than DC sucks in the live-action department.

DC would at least never shut down a live-action movie just because "it sounds too intelligent" or anything like that. They just can't figure out how to portray their characters well on film but at least they're somewhat trying. They do rush their movies sometimes (example: Green Lantern and the upcoming JL movie) but they only do that when they feel pressure and competition from Marvel and fear not catching up to them. They would never throw away something that proved to be very successful.

Marvel in animation is a completely different case. Shows like TSSM and Avengers EMH have proven that a Marvel show can be on the same quality as DC's best animated shows yet Marvel says they're too intelligent and mature for kids because they have story arcs and are not aimed at 3 year old's like USM is. Marvel is basically self-destructing themselves and shuts down every chance they have at catching up to DC in animation, which is the case with Avengers EMH and TSSM. And yes, I know that TSSM was mainly cancelled due to Sony returning the rights but let's be realistic - if TSSM started at Marvel to begin with, it would've still been cancelled to make way for USM, since Marvel just said that mature shows with ongoing story arcs are not the direction they want to go in.


So from now on, whenever DC puts out something stupid in live-action, say to yourselves "Wow, they suck at live-action stuff but at least they're not as stupid as Marvel is when it comes to animation".

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru

It is official then. Marvel sucks in the animation department more than DC sucks in the live-action department.

DC can't suck in live action department, all we had in recent years are 3 Batman films, one Superman film, and Green Lantern (unfortunate flop), and then there's the upcoming Superman film
Oh yeah, forgot about watchmen and V for Vandetta

Originally Posted by Shikamaru

Marvel in animation is a completely different case. Shows like TSSM and Avengers EMH have proven that a Marvel show can be on the same quality as DC's best animated shows yet Marvel says they're too intelligent and mature for kids because they have story arcs and are not aimed at 3 year old's like USM is.

Speaking of the age demographic; shinlyle shared what is VERY wrong with Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon by saying his 4 years old daughter hates it
And it's worse to know Loeb (or was it someone else?) said; "This show is meant to be funny, not for children"

[Mr. Dent]

^ They actually said that? I admit some instances are funny but it beats you over the head with attempts at slap stick.