Young Justice Cartoon - Part 6

[The Question]

OH MY GOD

The F-Men would join the team.

The more I ramble incoherently about insane ******** the more I want it to be true.

I should run for president ZING!

[Gold Samurai]

Originally Posted by Dread

Not only did they get married in the skip, but Cheshire also bore him a daughter, Lian. In the family friendly DC Comics, she was killed so Roy could become a drug addict again and kill muggers in allies with dead cats.

I wonder if this was the "dead cats" reference

[TheWallCrawler]

Hello, I'm a fan of Young Justice and I just found this part of hype, usually I hand around the spidey section

Anyway, when the second season started and I saw that it's 5 years (correct if I'm wrong) after the events of season 1 I thought it was gonna be like a one episode gimmick or something like that. But now, it's obvious that this change is here to stay, which is kinda sad since I really don't know if these new kids are very deep and fleshed out enough character-wise.

Of course that could be because we have only seen like 4 episode of this season, but I dunno... gotta say, I really loved to see Walle again with Artemus, the season 1 main characters will always be the best ones!

[Hound55]

Originally Posted by Gold Samurai

I wonder if this was the "dead cats" reference

I chuckled at that when I first saw it as well...

[gkokujin]

I think the shadowed figure is definitely someone from Apokolips.

just not sure who... Darkseid, Steppenwolf, too smart to be Kalibak or Desaad.


OSN: I found that Vibe short to be AWFUL. I love obscure characters but Vibe? nah man...

but i love ALL the other shorts (except the tokyo superman). I love the Ethnic Wonder woman, and of course i thoroughly enjoy seeing teen titans back on the screen. Plastic man and Animal man are actually funny.

[Savage]

I liked that Vibe was a parody of early 90s cartoons right down to the animation. You'd swear it was the guys who did the New Kids On The Block cartoon or something. The plot was so ridiculous that I couldn't help but laugh.

Besides, those were some sweet dance moves.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Originally Posted by Savage

I liked that Vibe was a parody of early 90s cartoons right down to the animation. You'd swear it was the guys who did the New Kids On The Block cartoon or something. The plot was so ridiculous that I couldn't help but laugh.

Besides, those were some sweet dance moves.

"Vibe! Curse you and your dope-ness!"

[Hush]

Animal Man is by far my favorite short, it's just hilarious.

[Panthro]

Wally doesn't seem to have aged much in 5 years even though he'd be 21 now, although Artemis sure got hotter (if such a thing were possible).

She definitely trumps Ms. Martian in the looks department. And yet we get less of Artemis and more of the white martian cos-playing as a green martian now dating the resident fish guy. Clearly there is no justice in the world.

The Animal Man shorts don't do much for me, but the Teen Titan shorts usually make me laugh.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by GamerSlyRatchet

"Vibe! Curse you and your dope-ness!"

I lost it on that part. I'd totally get a DVD with all the DC shorts. Hell, I'd watch a tv show based around these shorts back to back like an episode of Johnny Bravo or something. Three 7 minute shorts per episode.

[spiderbob]

Originally Posted by Dread

I imagine all this is gravy for Roy fans and the bit where Guardian admits he's a clone is good stuff, but I honestly don't care for Roy in any format and nothing this show is doing will change that. Considering when we last saw Guardian last season, he was directly involved in HIDING "the real Roy" and still very much a servant of "The Light", anything he says is probably a lie, and even indirectly cruel. On the other hand, Roy has a fair point that while he's disturbingly obsessed, the other heroes have written off the real Roy as dead, and he's the only one really looking.

Actually, I took Guardian's talk to imply another off camera character revelation and development that we didn't get to see. He (nor anyone else) never mentions being a clone in season 1, and the way he just stood by in the finale was reminiscent of Superboy being in a daze after Lex uttered 'Red Sun'.
Thus, I figured that the LIGHT used their code word on him to make him docile and forgetful of their theft, rather than him assisting in the steal of CADMUS goods, like the real Roy.

This presumption leads me to believe that when the League investigated CADMUS again (or sometime between Season 1 and 2), Guardian's cloned statues was discovered, (possibly by Megann or J'onn scanning his brain and finding implanted code words - much how Megann did for Kon) and he retired the mantle to set his life in order after being freed from the LIGHT's control by the League (or Miss Martian).

Clearly the discovery happens between the two seasons, as he was still Guardian in season 1, and he only admits to hanging up the shield and helm after the reveal. Plus, he and Wally were the only two out of costume, further implying the resigned state of the two former heroes.

So I simply saw it as this whole arc of character development we missed and only get to see the end of, rather than him being deceitful, intentional or otherwise.

Much like how Snapper Carr is suddenly in the Cave with no prior establishment. We're supposed to just accept it and move on. Hopefully the game will fill in the holes. Or the comic.

Could be wrong (probably am), but that's how I interpreted the scene.

[Lencho01]

I looked up the Snapper Carr part and it seems he was involved with the JL when he was younger and is the reason why Mount Justice is now known to their enemies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapper...In_other_media

Lucas Carr appears in the comic book tie-tin to Young Justice. it is revealed that a teenage Snapper was an associate of the Justice League until Joker tricked him into revealing the location of the League's headquarters at Mount Justice. Yet the Joker in question was actually a G-Gnome from Cadmus using an illusion of Joker.

http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Lucas_Carr

In his teens, Snapper was an associate of the League, and had full access to Mount Justice. His carelessness, however, led to the discovery of the Cave by the Joker[2] in 2006.[3]

[Juan1193]

Originally Posted by TheWallCrawler

Hello, I'm a fan of Young Justice and I just found this part of hype, usually I hand around the spidey section

Anyway, when the second season started and I saw that it's 5 years (correct if I'm wrong) after the events of season 1 I thought it was gonna be like a one episode gimmick or something like that. But now, it's obvious that this change is here to stay, which is kinda sad since I really don't know if these new kids are very deep and fleshed out enough character-wise.

Of course that could be because we have only seen like 4 episode of this season, but I dunno... gotta say, I really loved to see Walle again with Artemus, the season 1 main characters will always be the best ones!

Nah season 2 lineup wins because it has Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle, Beast Boy, Robin (Tim), Superboy and Nightwing. Sure beats having Aqualad, Rocket and Zatanna if you ask me.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Originally Posted by Hush

Animal Man is by far my favorite short, it's just hilarious.

Speaking of him, was that design they used for his profile on this week's DC Nation a YJ model? If so, I look forward to his appearance in the show.

[Young Superman]

I love this show but, I can barely stand Miss Martian anymore.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by J the Drafter

I'd rather they hadn't done a time skip at all. I wish the creative team could give us the Invasion/Light plotline without being forced to have all these reveals about characters we used to know. To make it clear, I don't think the exposition is stalling the main plotline. I just dislike thinking I'm up to speed on current events only to have the rug pulled from under my feet.

Overall I do concur with you. There were ways to have made the INVASION subplot work without a time-skip as vast as 5 years. For the moment the only things that the 5-year skip has seemed to justify is the complete and immediately swap in the team roster as well as Grayson becoming Nightwing and shock value for other characters. The drastic events of these characters' lives only prove shocking because the audience is now in the dark and have no way to know. Time-skips in fiction tend to be used to justify just about anything you want to have happen to a character.

The episodes and the show is still good. My problem is shock value is a cheap stunt which usually only works once. Unless the show is expecting to rely on an entire train of shock value events, which it may.

Originally Posted by nygma619

Or he probably had a shut down code like Conner and Roy did, I'm about 90% sure Guardian is clean.

Really? Guardian was last seen in Season 1 standing over a heap of Cadmus staff helping Ocean Master and Ra's Al Ghul wheel the real Roy out with the rest of their projects (such as Match). Whether Guardian was aware of it or not, that means he's compromised. Naturally the characters wouldn't know that, but I certainly don't trust anything he says.

My theory based on one of Greg's responses lately, is that Wally doesn't handle death as well as others when it happens to someone close to him or he has a hand in it. Think about it. Kent Nelson died right in front of him, Artemis "died" before his eyes in Failsafe, and he thought he was responsible for Queen Perdita's death in Coldhearted. Tula dying might have made him consider whether the hero life is worth it or not. Artemis might have done the same once she heard him out.

Possibly. "FAILSAFE" was a dream episode; nothing that happened in it really "counted" to me. Kent Nelson's sacrifice was bloodless. And Wally did end up saving Perdita from Vertigo in "COLDHEARTED". Natually Tula/Aquagirl dying during a mission - which was hectic enough that Kaldur blames Nightwing and Superboy for it rather than any actual adversary they were fighting - is a lot different. But that makes it all the more of a shame that all that stuff was passed over during the skip and exists as exposition dialogue or hearsay.

Facing death is part of being a superhero. Shirking that responsibility when it actually happens isn't terribly inspiring. But we'll have to see when and if the show gets around to being clearer about what broke up the old team. Man, could this show use a flashback episode.

It could be argued that the only reason Artemis really became an archer to begin with was because Sportsmaster would have her and Cheshire do grueling stuff which they had to be trained for. Given a chance to walk away from it, so long as she had somewhere to go and something to do, it is arguable that she'd do it. Wally has one thing she didn't, which was a stable, apparently positive family including a decent role model.

Wally lost the freckles and got taller. Also Jason Spisak changed his voice a little, not sure how I feel about it at this time. With Artemis I kind of miss the longer hair, or at least the pony tail (or maybe I was just used to seeing her with her hair back). Even when she was a D-Lister known as Tigress in the DC, the pony tail felt like an iconic feature. Of course maybe she just didn't have that on since it felt pointless to her if she's not gonna bother wearing pants.

I noticed the loss of the freckles only after you mentioned it. I thought I heard Spisak add a slightly deeper tone to his voice, which I found amusing since Nightwing sounds exactly the same as when he was 12 but apparently Wally went through some sort of puberty. In fairness, Wally is older than Grayson; he'd be 21 while Grayson would be 17-18 I think.

It was odd to see Artemis without the pony tail, but changing a hair style is an easy way to show that time has changed visually for a character. That, and a ponytail is a functional thing for combat, and when that's not a part of your life anymore it's okay to let the hair down. A metaphor?

I feel the same way, I also keep thinking that perhaps they adapted aspects of Wally's 2 longest relationships in the comics (Frances Kane/Magenta & Linda Park) and had Artemis fill those roles. With Linda Park and her being half-asian, and with Frances Kane it was someone whom he dated from high school and was also a superhero. Though there's a chance she might go rogue like Magenta, I think it would be redundant with Kaldur already doing that. Plus Chesire seems to fill the role as the villainess of that family.

Eh, I just think Linda Park isn't nearly as well known a character as, say, Lois Lane or Barbara Gordon or even Vicki Vale in terms of love interests for superheroes. Thus, there was no major pressure to feel the need to introduce her to the series since the mainstream audience would not be expecting her in the same way X-Men audiences ALWAYS expect Cyclops to be with Jean or Rogue to be with Gambit (or Spidey audiences expect him to be with MJ). I find it unintentionally hilarious that despite all that, Wally seems to have a thing for Asian ladies across all mediums.

If anything, I imagine Wally and Artemis were trucked out in "SALVAGE" for another reason besides updating fans; I think they were intended to contrast against Cheshire and Roy. Younger Crock got the stable red-head who is willing to settle down and let someone in, and elder Crock got the red-head who is obsessive, isolated, and dysfunctional. Cheshire and Roy also brought a kid into the mix, which the latter had no idea existed. While that is way into the series Bible sort of thing, I hardly imagine Sportsmaster and the original Tigress totally "planned" to have kids, at least if you catch my drift. While Cheshire doesn't seem to be working with her father, she's coming closer to repeating the sort of dysfunctional family mess that he did.

Me neither, and considering that the Latin VA for Superboy was wrong about Barry being in this episode. I'm hoping he's wrong about

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Impulse being in episode 6

though Jason Marsden has to be voicing someone noteworthy.

There's often something lost in translation. Which is part of why I didn't cave into temptations to watch episodes from other countries with subtitles.

Bart Allen is a complicated character to bring into a show, even a show like this. He's Barry's grandson from the future; basically, he's Cable. While there is nothing which this show has done to dismiss time-travel, it is not something the show has touched thus far. Yet without doing so, how else to justify his appearance? A clone from Cadmus? Revealing that Barry Allen had some OTHER nephew or kid that Wally didn't know about? I do find it amusing that DC apparently finds Bart easier to exist in the New 52 than Wally, although I imagine it comes down to something as horridly crude as him having a very similar civilian name.

More to the point; Wally's the speedster I want to see more of, not Barry or Bart or whatever. Especially since Wally was the one who was a regular member of the cast until this season. Seeing him written out to guest status is bad enough; watching his schtick be imitated by some new scrapper on the block would bring the frustration to a fever pitch.

[Scarecrow_King]

I'd kinda like to see the end of the season set up a mentoring dynamic between the old characters and the new. Sort of like what the Geoff Johns Teen Titans comic had.

But before they do that, they need to trim their character list. There really are way too many characters.

[Blackman]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow_King

I'd kinda like to see the end of the season set up a mentoring dynamic between the old characters and the new. Sort of like what the Geoff Johns Teen Titans comic had.

But before they do that, they need to trim their character list. There really are way too many characters.

Yeah they really shouldve done that. Have Nightwing, Wally (Flash), Zatanna, and Artemis be mentors

And yeah trim the characters. They shouldnt have all these sub teams

[Dread]

Originally Posted by Gold Samurai

I wonder if this was the "dead cats" reference

Most definitely.

Originally Posted by Scarecrow_King

I'd kinda like to see the end of the season set up a mentoring dynamic between the old characters and the new. Sort of like what the Geoff Johns Teen Titans comic had.

But before they do that, they need to trim their character list. There really are way too many characters.

I think Weisman has teased that not all of the "freshmen" would last on the team. I imagine Lagoon Boy is just waiting to be written out, even if I am one of the rare few who likes his intentionally corny dialogue. Hey, SOMEONE has to say crap like that. Thus, it is possible the cast could be trimmed, but I am not holding my breath. I also assume new characters would replace them.

Miss Martian is obviously a mentor to Beast Boy. I wonder if "SALVAGE" will be a sign of Conner taking in Blue Beetle under his wing (which is further proof that the scarab may be linked to Apokolips in this show since that is Conner's subplot). Tim Drake/Robin is naturally being looked after by Nightwing.

[nygma619]

Originally Posted by Dread

Really? Guardian was last seen in Season 1 standing over a heap of Cadmus staff helping Ocean Master and Ra's Al Ghul wheel the real Roy out with the rest of their projects (such as Match). Whether Guardian was aware of it or not, that means he's compromised. Naturally the characters wouldn't know that, but I certainly don't trust anything he says.

Guardian was standing there, but he wasn't helping them. Hell he wasn't even moving an inch. Also I don't think it's that much of a stretch to imagine after he found out he was a clone and escaped, that M'gann (or J'onn) did a mind wipe to get rid of the code words (and possibly see if he was telling the truth).

It was odd to see Artemis without the pony tail, but changing a hair style is an easy way to show that time has changed visually for a character. That, and a ponytail is a functional thing for combat, and when that's not a part of your life anymore it's okay to let the hair down. A metaphor?

I don't mind the shorter hair. It made more sense when she was 15? Not when she's 20-21. Hell I'm sure they both made a big deal about her cutting her hair and how she did it because Wally stuck his foot in his mouth, and said something that made her do it.

Bart Allen is a complicated character to bring into a show, even a show like this. He's Barry's grandson from the future; basically, he's Cable. While there is nothing which this show has done to dismiss time-travel, it is not something the show has touched thus far. Yet without doing so, how else to justify his appearance? A clone from Cadmus? Revealing that Barry Allen had some OTHER nephew or kid that Wally didn't know about? I do find it amusing that DC apparently finds Bart easier to exist in the New 52 than Wally, although I imagine it comes down to something as horridly crude as him having a very similar civilian name.

Part of the reason I've never really cared much for Bart was due to how overpowering he was. Not to mention he came at a time where writers kept adding more details about the speed force and changing it that it became so ridiculously convoluted. Example: What does creating multiple clones of yourself using the speed force have to do with SUPER SPEED?

More to the point; Wally's the speedster I want to see more of, not Barry or Bart or whatever. Especially since Wally was the one who was a regular member of the cast until this season. Seeing him written out to guest status is bad enough; watching his schtick be imitated by some new scrapper on the block would bring the frustration to a fever pitch.

Amen

[TheWallCrawler]

Originally Posted by Dread

More to the point; Wally's the speedster I want to see more of, not Barry or Bart or whatever. Especially since Wally was the one who was a regular member of the cast until this season. Seeing him written out to guest status is bad enough; watching his schtick be imitated by some new scrapper on the block would bring the frustration to a fever pitch.

You don't know yet if he's just a guest character. The way I see it, they are setting him up for something, he probably goes through a big tragedy and joins the other heroes again. I mean, he's like the most likeable character of season 1, they are not just gonna write him out

[Dread]

Originally Posted by nygma619

Guardian was standing there, but he wasn't helping them. Hell he wasn't even moving an inch. Also I don't think it's that much of a stretch to imagine after he found out he was a clone and escaped, that M'gann (or J'onn) did a mind wipe to get rid of the code words (and possibly see if he was telling the truth).

Maybe. Due to the time skip we don't really know either way. Personally, the angle of "The Light" having control of an actual superhero (of Washington, D.C. of all crucial places) which the heroes haven't figured out yet is an interesting asset - one I'd rather see come to a head versus being written out via exposition. M'Gann and J'Onn had to be aware of Guardian being controlled to release him, and who is to say that after losing Roy during that "moment of reflection" after he completed his objective, "The Light" would have made the same error twice?

I don't mind the shorter hair. It made more sense when she was 15? Not when she's 20-21. Hell I'm sure they both made a big deal about her cutting her hair and how she did it because Wally stuck his foot in his mouth, and said something that made her do it.

A shame we lost all of the meat of seeing that relationship really spark to the time skip.

Part of the reason I've never really cared much for Bart was due to how overpowering he was. Not to mention he came at a time where writers kept adding more details about the speed force and changing it that it became so ridiculously convoluted. Example: What does creating multiple clones of yourself using the speed force have to do with SUPER SPEED?

I don't mind the idea of the "speed force" being used as an energy source to explain how Flash can defy the laws of physics with some of his moves. The dilemma is when it would be used to justify and explain or empower all sorts of crazy shenanigans. I imagine this is why Greg Weisman has chosen to throw it out whole cloth, but I believe a middle ground is possible.

Originally Posted by TheWallCrawler

You don't know yet if he's just a guest character. The way I see it, they are setting him up for something, he probably goes through a big tragedy and joins the other heroes again. I mean, he's like the most likeable character of season 1, they are not just gonna write him out

Likeable or not, the show has seemed to prioritize Superboy and Megan more than any other members of "the team" throughout their run. This second season has seen that continue. Grayson's role has been expanded as Nightwing as well. Those three and their "freshman" heroes are the core cast for this season, which has seemed apparent from the premiere. Anyone else is a guest character to varying degrees.

That "likeability", that ability to be optimistic or at the very least stable and not angst ridden is actually a bane for characters in shows like this, which focus on only the broken and beleaguered. Hence when a title like "BLOODLINES" is noted for an episode, all sorts of nefarious speculations arise.

Still, hopefully whatever guest bits they get will be good.

[Webhead2006]

I amm sure we see darkseid/his other minions. But the competitor has to be reach going by what we saw in the newest episode.

[mr. peasant]

I'm unfamiliar with the character. What exactly was it that we saw that pointed to him/her/it?

[Webhead2006]

Well I don't know much on reach either but since the shadow guy used a sonic weapon it more suited to blue beetle powers. Then anything/tech darkseid-his minions use.