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Old 05-30-2012, 05:18 PM   #1
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The true ten strongest characters in base strength would not have the Hulk, Thor, Thing, or Juggernault listed. These 5 are characters that are not considered Cosmic Entities with unlimited physical strength.

5 STRONGEST:

1. Kurse - more than twice as strong as Thor (Class 225+)

2. Maestro - (Class 200)

3. The Green Scar Hulk - insanely enraged and radiated (300+)

4. Thanos - Cosmically powered mutant enhanced by Lady Death (250+)

5. Onslaught - Godlike hybrid of Prof. X and Magneto (Class 250+)

HONORABLE MENTION:

1. Apocalypse

OMEGA CLASS: (Class 400+)

1. Ymir

2. Surtur

3. Galactus

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Old 05-30-2012, 06:16 PM   #2
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Jean gray isn't a honorable mention? I thought she was always talked about being strong.

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Old 05-30-2012, 06:33 PM   #3
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Silver Surfer and the Sentry are in the top echelon as well.

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Old 05-30-2012, 09:18 PM   #4
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Silver Surfer and the Sentry are in the top echelon as well.
The Sentry is deceased, but if he were alive he would be honorable mention.

The Silver Surfer is Class 100, but he is not an upper tier Class 100 like Thor.

I did not include people like Magneto because even though he can move far more than 100 tons with his power, it is not physical strength he is using, but mutant energy/power.

Count Nefaria is also honorable mention.

The strongest people in Marvel are often overlooked because people focus primarily on the most popular superheroes when they think of strength.

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Jean gray isn't a honorable mention? I thought she was always talked about being strong.
The Phoenix Force? Jean Grey has telekinetic and mental powers, but she is only of average human female strength. Even the She-Hulk under normal conditions is only about Class70-80. To my knowledge, she is the strongest Marvel female the same way that Wonder Woman is the strongest DC female.

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So are we talking power? Or pure strength?

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So are we talking power? Or pure strength?
We are talking pure physical strength unaugmented by magical abilities or mental powers.

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Old 05-30-2012, 11:45 PM   #8
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Right on, gotcha.

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Old 05-31-2012, 01:49 AM   #9
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What about Warrior's Madness Thor who's 10x stronger than regular Thor who's already in the upper tier class 10o.

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To Me, Thanos is way up there. I mean, his strength is over looked. I think he is stronger than ordinary Hulk. We've seen Hulk usually get beat by surfer. However Thanos basically killed Surfer in 9 punches. Something we have yet to see Hulk do.

To be flat out honest with you, I can't think of anyone who could really go toe to toe with Thanos off the top of my head, without powerups, yes, I think Thanos would take WWH in a brawl. Simply because he is a more skilled fighter and his durability is insane. His crazy mind aside, I think he's got to be one of the most durable, and strongest characters there is, physical attribute wise.

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We haven't seen WWH fight though, now have we?

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Hate to say this...but Sentry?

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Again, not really the biggest Hulk fan, but according to Marvel lore he is the potentially physically strongest in their universe and that does include virtually everyone. The beyonder once quoted that his strength was unlimited in potential. It is
restricted only by the Banner side. and yes he can outclass even cosmic being, though he isnt immoratal per se and would be defeated in another way since being physically strong doesnt mean being more powerful overall.
Again, this isnt a single interpretation... this is decades of comic interpretation as well as direct statements from marvel on multiple occassions.


The Hulk possesses the potential for limitless physical strength depending directly on his emotional state, particularly his anger.[39] This has been reflected in the repeated comment, "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." Banner's father had been involved in various activities involving radiation, causing a genetic mutation that was passed on to his son. These genetic characteristics and the changes they spawned were dormant until activated by the radiation of the gamma bomb. When transforming into the Hulk, Bruce's DNA realigns in such a way as to make it act like a cosmic antenna absorbing kinetic energy directly from the multiverse. The ability to absorb energy from this unlimited source provides the Hulk with his increased bulk and apparently limitless strength. After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside."[40] His durability, regeneration, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper.[41] Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal—and most immortals—who ever walked the Earth."[42

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Full on Void powered Sentry has to be on that list. He's the freaking angel of death, he ripped Aries apart like he was tissue paper, and he's virtually indestructible, not to mention bat **** crazy.

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Wouldn't this belong in one of the other forums since this isn't related to The Avengers movie?....

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We haven't seen WWH fight though, now have we?
lol its his aura

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Again, not really the biggest Hulk fan, but according to Marvel lore he is the potentially physically strongest in their universe and that does include virtually everyone. The beyonder once quoted that his strength was unlimited in potential. It is
restricted only by the Banner side. and yes he can outclass even cosmic being, though he isnt immoratal per se and would be defeated in another way since being physically strong doesnt mean being more powerful overall.
Again, this isnt a single interpretation... this is decades of comic interpretation as well as direct statements from marvel on multiple occassions.


The Hulk possesses the potential for limitless physical strength depending directly on his emotional state, particularly his anger.[39] This has been reflected in the repeated comment, "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." Banner's father had been involved in various activities involving radiation, causing a genetic mutation that was passed on to his son. These genetic characteristics and the changes they spawned were dormant until activated by the radiation of the gamma bomb. When transforming into the Hulk, Bruce's DNA realigns in such a way as to make it act like a cosmic antenna absorbing kinetic energy directly from the multiverse. The ability to absorb energy from this unlimited source provides the Hulk with his increased bulk and apparently limitless strength. After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside."[40] His durability, regeneration, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper.[41] Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal—and most immortals—who ever walked the Earth."[42
It does matter though. One, Greg Pak also said that WWH would beat Rune King Thor. Which is the ULTIMATE

The guy is a hulk fan boy, to me atleast.

Also, just because hulk has unlimited potential, does that mean he is the strongest one in the universe? No. When I was a sprinter in high school, I was the fastest kid, with years of training. However, this new kid Jamal showed up, no training, and was just a tad bit slower than me. He had A LOT of potential. A LOT. He had potential to be faster than me, to be the fastest kid in the school. But because he had the potential to be the fastest,, potential that I didn't have, was he the fastest? No. I was faster.

Anger is limited. Hulk's strength is potentially limitless, but as far as I am concerned, anger plateaus. He is as strong as we have seen. As strong as WWH is, THATS how strong Hulk is. The fact that Hulk has potential to be stronger than anyone in the universe is irrelevant, until we see that happen, where he literally is infinitely strong, where he can defeat beings like odin with brute strength, then okay. But until then, he is as strong as we have seen him. Period. Which is WWH. Which is still insanely strong. But I still believe there are characters, Thanos the first that comes to mind, who are stronger than that, and therefor stronger than Hulk. Potential means nothing to me, not unless that potential is reached.


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Full on Void powered Sentry has to be on that list. He's the freaking angel of death, he ripped Aries apart like he was tissue paper, and he's virtually indestructible, not to mention bat **** crazy.
Yes, but what is the Void's base strength? Is it Class 150 or Class 75? If you have to be amped up or angered or draw extra cosmic energy to get to that level of power, it is not your strength level every moment of everyday. That is the problem people speak about Superman encounter. They ask what version are we talking about because different versions apparently have different levels of power. Kurse is more than twice as strong as Thor everyday, so is Thanos, and the others listed.

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What about the Stranger..is he a "cosmic entity"

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The true ten strongest characters in base strength would not have the Hulk, Thor, Thing, or Juggernault listed. These 5 are characters that are not considered Cosmic Entities with unlimited physical strength.

5 STRONGEST:

1. Kurse - more than twice as strong as Thor (Class 225+)

2. Maestro - (Class 200)

3. The Green Scar Hulk - insanely enraged and radiated (300+)

4. Thanos - Cosmically powered mutant enhanced by Lady Death (250+)

5. Onslaught - Godlike hybrid of Prof. X and Magneto (Class 250+)

HONORABLE MENTION:

1. Apocalypse

OMEGA CLASS: (Class 400+)

1. Ymir

2. Surtur

3. Galactus
What is Apocalypse's class? And why didn't you order the top 5 from strongest to weakest?

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What is Apocalypse's class? And why didn't you order the top 5 from strongest to weakest?
Apocalypse is Class 100, but he also has the ability to increase his base strength significantly.

Ordering them from strongest pose some challenges due to the exact level of their strength being mostly unknown. To order them, some guesswork must be used in addition to evaluating them based on Marvel's Handbook, comic book feats, and statements by Marvel's leadership.

STRONGEST TO WEAKEST:

1.Green Scar - likely the strongest based on statements by Marvel executives his physical power at that time was greater than any mortal's and most immortals who ever walked the earth. That must have included all other versions of himself during previous periods of extreme anger including when the Hulk defeated Onslaught. Additionally, this version of the Hulk did not fight the powerful Sentry with all the physical power available to him. This version was the lottery winner of power due to his incredible anger at the death of his wife, the unity between the Hulk and Banner personalities, and further strenthening by absorbing the radiation from the explosion.

2. Onslaught - "limitless physical strength." Onslaught was almost as strong as another monstrously strong version of the Hulk. This Hulk version was not quite as strong as the Green Scar, but was capable of delivering a blow equivalent to a nuclear strike. It's conceivable Onslaught was stronger than any others on this list except the Green Scar Hulk version.

3. Kurse - is far stronger than Thor, who is a high Class 100 character. Thor strength falls between Class 120 to Class 150. Kurse therefore was at least Class 240 before the Beyonder strengthened him further according to the Handbook. He is likely at least now Class 290, but could be Class 400. I estimate Thanos falls on the lower spectrum of this range.

4. Thanos - Thanos was a high Class 100 character prior to his death based on his ability to fight the Hulk, Thing, and Thor simultaneously, and gain the upper hand using his physical strength alone. After his ressurection, Death further enhanced his abilities especially his durability, so he was able to withstand his bout with Odin. Marvel almost always tie durability with strength in proportional terms. Thanos's fight with Omegapowerful Tyrant further proved his physical strength was significantly higher than most previous estimates.

5. Maestro - Twice as strong as the Professor Hulk who has a base strength of 100 tons.

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The true ten strongest characters in base strength would not have the Hulk, Thor, Thing, or Juggernault listed. These 5 are characters that are not considered Cosmic Entities with unlimited physical strength.

5 STRONGEST:

1. Kurse - more than twice as strong as Thor (Class 225+)

2. Maestro - (Class 200)

3. The Green Scar Hulk - insanely enraged and radiated (300+)

4. Thanos - Cosmically powered mutant enhanced by Lady Death (250+)

5. Onslaught - Godlike hybrid of Prof. X and Magneto (Class 250+)

HONORABLE MENTION:

1. Apocalypse

OMEGA CLASS: (Class 400+)

1. Ymir

2. Surtur

3. Galactus
Just a thought: The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe is a TERRIBLE reference guide when trying to tack down a Marvel characters strength level, particularly the so-called class 100 hundred characters. For a visual: 100 tons is the same as four (4) fully loaded 45 foot tractor trailer trucks (minus the truck doing the pulling) all stacked on top of one another. Not a lot when you consider how much some of these characters have been shown lifting. I have several scans of both Thor and Hercules that are powerful indicators of their true level of strength, but suffice to say for now that both Thor and Hercules are capable of lifting planet earth. They are planet movers. This obviously would make characters like Hulk, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator and the Silver Surfer planet movers as well, since these characters have all fought one either Thor or Hercules (or both) at one point in time or another and have been able to go toe to toe fairly successfully with them too. Character placed in the class 100 level are characters that can lift right at 100 tons OR MORE. I have noted discrepancies in two hand books: one lists Thor as able to lift 95 tons, while another puts him in the 100 ton class. Obviously, 95 tons is nowhere near being able to lift planet earth, or lifting the Midgard Serpent or ripping through adamantium cables, etc...take what the OHOTMU has to say with several grains of salt.

Here are my list of the five strongest Marvel superheroes, in no particular order:

1) Gladiator
2) The Silver Surfer
3) Thor
4) Hulk
5) Hercules

Here is my list of the five strongest Marvel villains, in no particular order:

1) Thanos
2) Surtur
3) Tyrant
4) Kurse
5) Maestro

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- Tier 1 - [ 1st Class Beyond ]:
The One-Above-All
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Protege
Heart of the Universe

- Tier 2 - [ 2nd Class Beyond ]:
The Living Tribunal
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

- Tier 3 - [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale ]:
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion
The Alien Entity
Infiniti IG Nemesis
Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
Captain Britain (with Excalibur and AoR)
Merlyn (with Energy Matrix)

- Tier 4 - [ 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale ]:
Abysss
The Sword in the Star
The Legion or "Prime Evil"
The Darkness
G-Force
Nth Man
Edifice Rex
Korvac (Power of Six Abstracts from What if?)
White Crown of the Phoenix

- Tier 5 - [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ]:
The Infinites
The Beyonders
Masters of the Matrix
Hunger

- Tier 6 - [ 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ]:

Entity (What If?)
Master Order
Lord Chaos
Shuma-Gorath
The Other
The Dreaming God
The Ankh
The Enigma Force
Uni-lord
Abadon (Original when it was the embodiment of it's own universe)
Lectra and Phaydra
Zokk and Maftra the twin gods of Therea
Anthropomorpho
The Trion
Galactus (fully powered)
The Creator
The Creator's Staff
Job Burke
Scrier (usurping the Creator's Staff)

- Tier 7 - [ 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ]:
Sire Hate
Mistress Love
The Seven Friendless
Entropy
Epiphany
Enmity
Empathy
Expediency
Eulogy
Eon
Epoch
Valka
Unbeing
Origin
Goblin Force
Cyttorak
Those Who Sit Above in Shadow
The Vishanti
Nightmare
Hell-Lords inside their own pocket dimension
Mephisto
Raggadoor
Cinnibus
Denak
Chthon
Tiboro
Hell-Eyes
Llan
Arioch
Adversary
Inanna
The Darkforce Dimension
The Dragon of the Moon
Archenemy
Maya
Great One
Atlez
Atleza
Zalkor
The Fallen Stars (Adam K'ad-Mon, Cleito, Evenor, Mr.Termineus, Sorrow)

- Tier 8 - [ High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts ]
Galactus (highly fed)
In-Betweener
The Celestials
The Absolutes
The Makers
Mirage
Mad Jim Jaspers
Time Twisters
Time Keepers
Hunger (embodiment of Hunger)
The Phoenix Force
Uni-Mind
Anomaly
He Who Summons - Leader of the Watchers
Kronos
He Who Remains

- Tier 9 - [ Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers ]
Cosmic Cube Beings
Known Developed Cosmic Cube
Beyonder(retconed)
Kubik
Shaper of Worlds
Supremor (I)
Maker
Star Thief I (Defender character)
Vaangard
Molecule Man
Sword of the Elder Gods
Devourer of Souls (With power of the Elders)
The M'Kraan Crystal
Mikhail Rasputin
Lifestone Tree

- Tier 10 - [ Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level ]:
Galactus (average)
The Dreamqueen
The Watchers
Abrogate
Stranger
Vortex
Demogorge (Atum)
Rune Thor
Trion Juggernaut
Daydream
Hawk God
Xorr, the God Jewel
Wise Man and the Three Wise Men
Walker
Deathurge
Stardust (The Body)

- Tier 11 - [ Elder Gods ]:
Odin (Fully powered)
Elder Gods
Chthon
Demiurge
Set
Gaea
Elder Gods of the Hyborian Age
Crom
Mitra
Asura
Seth
Surtur
Adam K'ad-Mon
King Thor
Hell-Lords outside their own realm
Mephisto
Raggadorr
Cinnibus
Satannish
Tiboro
Llan
Dormammu
The Adversary
Inanna
Dragon Of The Moon

- Tier 12 - [ Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level ]
Franklin Richards
Proteus Piecemeal
Kelly
Donna
Haven (Radha Dastoor) and her son combined
Composite Ngh and Ahh
Jonz Rickard
Alfie O'Meagan
Jamie Braddock
Hutch
Mysterious Fan Boy
Yazdi Gem

- Tier 13 - [ Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers ]:

Other Skyfather Pantheons ( Odin (varies), Zeus [Olympian], Osiris [Egyptian], Manitou [Anasazi], Anu [Annunaki], etc.)
Doctor Strange (Fullest)
Hyperstorm
Cleito
Evenor
The Silent Ones
Master of the Sun
Star Thief (Adam Warlock Foe)
Elders of the Universe
Architect
Astronomer
Caregiver
Champion
Collector
Contemplator
Ego
Explorer
Father Time
Gardner
Grand Astrogator
Grandmaster
Judicator
Obliterator
Possessor
Runner
Trader
Arcadia Deville
The Futurist
Mister M
Alpha the Ultimate Mutant
Cosmic Skyfathers
Veeda Leebre
Kronnit
Zuras
Mentor
Ghaur psionic final form
The One Above (Dionists worship)
Skup Collins
Scatterbrain
Orphan
Overshadow
Soul-Eater (Spirit Mold)

- Tier 14 - [ Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings ]:
Thanos
Death Gods ( Pluto, Hela, Seth, Yama, etc)
The Bottle Imp
Supreme Intelligence
Demonstaff
Hunger (Fantastic Four foe)
Shadow King
Undying Ones
Lord Tantalus
Lord Khult
Holly-Ann Ember
Xemnu the Titan
Bysshe
Paloma
Germain Royce
Cloud
The Dance
Kaluu
The Protector
Touchstone
Psi-Lord Franklin Richards
Mantis
The Walkers
The Defiler
Meggan and the Fairies
Huntarr
Mindstar
Doctor Strange (varies)
Modred the Mystic
Nebulon
Supernalia
Varnae
Kulan Gath
Urthona
Ultimus
Thoth Amon
Sleepwalkers
Super-Adaptoids
Audit
Franklin 2099
Moleculon
Mangog
Onslaught (Varies)
Young Gods' Uni-Mind
Overmind
Armaziel, Tzadqiel, and other Cosmic Angels Asuras

- Tier 15 - [ Top Tiers ]:

Thor
Silver Surfer
Morg
Beta Ray Bill
Firelord
X-Man (Shaman)
Adam Warlock
Magneto
Ikaris
Sersi
Black Bolt
Quasar
Maelstrom
Captain Marvel (Mar-vell, Genis-Vell, Phyla)
Kro
Thena
Emperor
Val-Or
Moondragon
Sundragon
Avatar
Apocalypse
X-Man
Gladiator
Hulk (in enraged state)

- Tier 16 - [ High End Superheroes ]:

Hulk (in "relaxed" state)
Doc Samson
Iron Man


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