Prometheus - Part 7

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[Octoberist]

Well, Ridley is also 75 years old. He needs to hurry up.

[MeenieWK]

I went to leicester Sq for the Prometheus world premier red (blue) carpet tonight

It was cool, first time I've gone down to a premier.. Lot of waiting but it was fun

Theron is stunning in the flesh and fassbender has a rad beard but the highlights were Ridley (obv) and Giger

[BuddhaWasABat]

I'm not totally comfortable with the Blade Runner sequel. I think it's a bad idea. Apparently it's already being written, though, so it's pretty much a done deal. I personally would rather Ridley goes onto to his Brave New World film adaption that was supposed to happen but seems like it's a dead project at this point. Either way, Ridley should explore new places in Sci Fi rather than expanding things from the past, especially something as obscure and ambiguous as Blade Runner.

[Solidus]

From what is being said it takes place in the same universe, but does not have any effect on the previous story. Especially since this is a sequel and not a prequel, it will be another story in the same universe, so it will have even more liberties then Prometheus had.

[Mandalore464]

Originally Posted by Solidus

From what is being said it takes place in the same universe, but does not have any effect on the previous story. Especially since this is a sequel and not a prequel, it will be another story in the same universe, so it will have even more liberties then Prometheus had.

Even if it was a direct sequel and it turned out to be awful, it'll never take anything away from the original, so I don't see what we should be afraid of.

If anyone's gonna do it, I'd rather it be Scott. But it's also true that I'd like him to venture into some new territory as well.

Some people should be immortal.

[spidey-dude]

enjoyed the film - felt the alien tie was unessacary though tbh

i wrote a review for it here: http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movi...e-review/12536 (spoiler free)

[Viscal]

Cam image from Opening Sequence (possible spoilers)
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1300

[craigdbfan]

Sorry Viscal but you're not allowed to post/link to bootleg imagery, video, gifs from the actual film. Please remove the link.

[BuddhaWasABat]

Originally Posted by spidey-dude

enjoyed the film - felt the alien tie was unessacary though tbh

i wrote a review for it here: http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movi...e-review/12536 (spoiler free)

Very good review. Enjoyable to read, tells the positives and the negatives fairly. I don't mind flaws in the plot, just as long as they aren't too painfully obvious and the movie has moments that make up for them. I don't really believe in masterpieces anyways.

Another positive review! Doing pretty good overall.

[DarthSkywalker]

What I am finding funny is the defending of this film.

"Well it isn't suppose to be to deep or complex." When Scott has been talking about how deep and complex the film is.

"Well the characters don't need to have character." When that is what Alien and Blade Runner were built on.

"Well Alien was simple." Well that just isn't true. Alien has a lot of nuance.

Why Alien works is that it was very different and oddly mature for when it came out. When you build a film in the same framework, it is going to lose a lot of the effect of the original film. It is why all the Alien and Predator sequels haven't got anywhere close to the original. They all play out as unoriginal clones. Little plot points being different doesn't change that the overall story is pretty much the same.

[Octoberist]

It's hard to bash or defend a movie we haven't seen but that's the internet!

[craigdbfan]

Prometheus is now at 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. Still a long way to go.

Gah I just want to see this for myself already. 8 more days...

[BuddhaWasABat]

I have never found depth to the characters in Alien or Blade Runner, except for Roy in Blade Runner. That is that. Harrison Ford's character and all the rest in Blade Runner were very 1 dimensional. Ive always thought that, and I have heard other people say that before when they are not trying to defend Prometheus but just as an analysis of the film.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Octoberist

It's hard to bash or defend a movie we haven't seen but that's the internet!

Which is fair. But we are already playing the excuse game. Blaming Fox and making false statements about Alien.

"You need to see it again to soak it all up", while at the same time calling it generic.

[Octoberist]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Which is fair. But we are already playing the excuse game. Blaming Fox and making false statements about Alien.

"You need to see it again to soak it all up", while at the same time calling it generic.

It's one of the things where, here we are speculating and basing our views on reviews on a film we haven't seen. I think there is plenty of room for discussion but sometimes, certain folks are either too defensive, absolute or too self-righteous about it when there's nothing to back up the arguments.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by BuddhaWasABat

I have never found depth to the characters in Alien or Blade Runner, except for Roy in Blade Runner. That is that. Harrison Ford's character and all the rest in Blade Runner were very 1 dimensional. Ive always thought that, and I have heard other people say that before when they are not trying to defend Prometheus but just as an analysis of the film.

DC is my version of Blade Runner, and it say that there is no depth to Deckard is off base. You learn a good deal about him in how he deals with the first two replicants (Rachael and Zhora).

Same with the Alien crew. Characters don't need to talk about their past and continually tell us how they feel to have depth. Good writing and good actors don't need that.

[BuddhaWasABat]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

DC is my version of Blade Runner, and it say that there is no depth to Deckard is off base. You learn a good deal about him in how he deals with the first two replicants (Rachael and Zhora).

Same with the Alien crew. Characters don't need to talk about their past and continually tell us how they feel to have depth. Good writing and good actors don't need that.

Harrison Ford isn't particularly a great actor. He isn't bad but he never transforms. He feels right where ever he is and never out of place, usually, but he brings himself into every role.

Deckard didn't really have much of a range of emotions or anything like that, things usually associated with depth. Sure you can lean some about him but the way the character is written doesn't give his character much range. Blade Runner to me has always had depth through symbolism. dialogue, and in it's overall obscurity. Add Roy to that list, who displayed a range of emotions and different psychological states.

As for the Alien crew, there not a boring group of people for sure, there fun and written well enough that you can feel for them, but they didn't have a whole lot of depth the way I see it. Ripley had some good but minor character development at the end and that definitely stands out. Other than that not so much. With Alien it's the mystery that makes it all so amazing. It's dark and mysterious, with a little hint of corporate greed there which was good.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by BuddhaWasABat

Harrison Ford isn't particularly a great actor. He isn't bad but he never transforms. He feels right where ever he is and never out of place, usually, but he brings himself into every role.

Deckard didn't really have much of a range of emotions or anything like that, things usually associated with depth. Sure you can lean some about him but the way the character is written doesn't give his character much range. Blade Runner to me has always had depth through symbolism. dialogue, and in it's overall obscurity. Add Roy to that list, who displayed a range of emotions and different psychological states.

As for the Alien crew, there not a boring group of people for sure, there fun and written well enough that you can feel for them, but they didn't have a whole lot of depth the way I see it. Ripley had some good but minor character development at the end and that definitely stands out. Other than that not so much. With Alien it's the mystery that makes it all so amazing. It's dark and mysterious, with a little hint of corporate greed there which was good.

Alien is not about the mystery. It is about how the crew deals with the mystery. How they react and try to survivor it. It is a gut check film.

Your reaction to Deckard is fine example of stereotyping not only what emotions look like, but basically saying an actor must overreact to have "range".

Just how he handles Rachael has plenty of shifting emotions. It is simply subtle. Watch the scene when she first shows up at his apartment.

[Octoberist]

Many actors don't transform, from the golden age of Hollywood to now. Even the ones we love like Eastwood, McQueen or even Clooney.

[BuddhaWasABat]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Alien is not about the mystery. It is about how the crew deals with the mystery. How they react and try to survivor it. It is a gut check film.

Your reaction to Deckard is fine example of stereotyping not only what emotions look like, but basically saying an actor must overreact to have "range".

Just how he handles Rachael has plenty of shifting emotions. It is simply subtle. Watch the scene when she first shows up at his apartment.

I agree with the first point but there wasn't much character development except for Ripley. Nothing else to say about that.

Look, all I am doing is reacting to first reviews to a movie I really want to see. The complaints are out, and I have never denied that they might be true, I am just trying to rationalize the situation. For me and I think probably many, characters haven't been the most interesting point in Ridleys films as compared to the themes in his films and how there handles and executed. That doesn't mean characters are not important so don't take that the wrong way, but when I hear that David and Shaw in Prometheus are the only 2 interesting characters and the rest you just don't really care about that doesn't sound that drastically different to me than Alien and Blade Runner. More specifically Alien.

I'm more worried about the themes not being handles properly by the script. I mean this is a crew of 17 people, you can't focus in that well on 17 people when so much else is going on. It doesn't surprise me that you might not care when characters get raped by tentacles etc.

[Sharkboy]

Just watched Prometheus, heres a quick spoiler free review for those who are interested.

Bad stuff out of the way; It's nowhere near as smart or deep as it thinks it is, there are some plot points that entertain some discussion, but instead of being the smart deep one, compared to the scary one or the action packed one...it's just the very pretty one. Outside of Rapace and Fassbender, the characters are severely underwritten, the film lacks any real focus most of the time, taking away any of the simple pacing and terrifying claustrophobia from the first Alien, comparing it to said film is useless because tonally it feels more about creation and discovery rather than horror and destruction, this would all be fine if the film didn't share pretty much it's entire first half with the first alien, and without the interesting characters and well paced claustrophobic moments, it just feels like a mess.

On to what does work...it's just one of the more visually appealing films of the year so far, I mean this film looks REALLY good, it makes gorgeous looking films like wrath of the titans, avengers and SWATH look pretty bland in comparison. Nearly every scene looks beautiful from the fantastic opening to the last shot, there are some real moments of greatness that presents themselves mostly in the second half, but what is lost in actual horror and scares come in pure terror and a fantastic sense of despair, Rapace is a pretty good female lead, and Fassbender steals the damn show, it also has some great shots for traditional Alien fans, and once it finally finds it's right place, it hits the spot that we all expected it to. (shame it takes way too long to get there)

Overall it's a great start to a new franchise similar in vein to rise of the planet of the apes, and first class, a breath of fresh air and solid shift in the right direction for the franchise. It just doesn't reach the legendary status that the first two have reached. 8/10

[Sharkboy]

Originally Posted by BuddhaWasABat

I agree with the first point but there wasn't much character development except for Ripley. Nothing else to say about that.

Look, all I am doing is reacting to first reviews to a movie I really want to see. The complaints are out, and I have never denied that they might be true, I am just trying to rationalize the situation. For me and I think probably many, characters haven't been the most interesting point in Ridleys films as compared to the themes in his films and how there handles and executed. That doesn't mean characters are not important so don't take that the wrong way, but when I hear that David and Shaw in Prometheus are the only 2 interesting characters and the rest you just don't really care about that doesn't sound that drastically different to me than Alien and Blade Runner. More specifically Alien.

I'm more worried about the themes not being handles properly by the script. I mean this is a crew of 17 people, you can't focus in that well on 17 people when so much else is going on. It doesn't surprise me that you might not care when characters get raped by tentacles etc.

Ok let me try and clarify this one, in Alien, each character didn't need strands and strands of dialog to make an impression, they were all unique and had their own voice on the ship and their own reactions to what went on in the ship, they all had their individual motivations and diferent ways of reacting to the bad s**t that went on in the nostromo. Those little moments went a long way into building up the horror as these people we get familiar with get picked off one by one. With prometheus, there are not only too many people, but a lot of them are "faceless" and have no real development, it comes to the point where no matter if they get picked off, it really doesnt affect the audience, because we have no idea who they are, it's just like seeing a random extra getting offed in a massive battle in a fantasy film.

But on the bright side, the film isn't what you think it is, it's not a claustrophobic horror, so the aforementioned flaw, isn't really that bad, but it would have helped it because a better film.

[Marvolo]

Sad to here this isn't a claustrophobic horror film like I thought it was going to be. Can't wait to see it, tho.